The phenomenon exists, therefore it is real. There have been plenty of cases over time, those of which cannot be debunked. It has been shown at
least a segment of the people claiming abduction have been honest, and at least in the court of law in my country, an honest testimony counts for
something, even to the point of convicting criminals from crimes from their eye witness accounts and experiences, even to the point the death penalty
can be issued for the criminal.
I have not being going back and forth over the definition of words, just trying to keep things on track. My rebuttals have only been to show that
there isn't one choice for a word's definition.
The use of Wiki is one that is free to all users and well known. It doesn't require a subscription, or you to own a particular dictionary. Other
sources online are great too. I would have used a Britannica source, but, you have to pay for it, and that isn't fair to the reader.
If anyone read my first post, they would see I used a Webster definition, to claim otherwise is a mistake, the post wasn't read by my opponent, or
they are being intentionally misleading. I will say it must be the first one, since I try to have good faith in others as much as I can.
Yes, Wiki allows user edits, but, if things are false they quickly are removed and the person warned. It is watched by moderators and the people who
use it. New entries automatically get flagged for review. It is not as if there are any articles calling Hitler the McDonald's Hamburgerler, and I
would like to be pointed to incorrect definitions that have lasted any length of time.
Also note that the Wiki has very similar definitions as the ones from other sources. Articles have cited sources and when new things are added, there
is a note that a citation is needed. These facts show that although not a perfect source, it is not the same as picking one of the fancy papers by a
checkout talking about bat babies and monkey boys.
I contend I only have to qualify for one specific definition for a word.
So here is my defintion for Real (not from Wiki):
5. Not to be taken lightly; serious: in real trouble.
Alien abduction is a (not to be taken lightly) phenomenon.
I think we all would agree, any form of abduction is serious and not to be taken lightly, no matter if it is an alien from space, an illegal alien, a
disgruntled divorced parent, or a psychotic individual.
Another non-Wiki definition of phenomenon:
2. pl. phe·nom·e·nons
a. An unusual, significant, or unaccountable fact or occurrence;
Again, consistent with what I have shown before. (2 links same domain = 1 reference as to avoid any confusion)
Alien abductions are a (not to be taken lightly) (unusual or unaccountable occurance).
I need not make my point fit every definition, as that is not possible in most things. If I were to speak of the definition of a quadrilateral or a
parallelogram ... and I were to speak of one of their definitions being a square and use that as an example. It is not logical to try and force the
square to fit other definitions of a quadrilateral, such as a trapezoid, or a parallelogram such as a rhombus. Fitting one definition is quite enough
to qualify the square, and in fact, the other definitions are irrelevant to this particular definition.
My duty is not to show that I fit into my opponent's select definitions, but that it fits in at least one definition. I have shown this to my
respected adversaries dismay.
This has nothing to do with faith, wanting to believe, or the rare case of manipulated witnesses. There are plenty of scientifically studied cases
that cannot be shown to have been misled or falsifying their claims. This has been part of my case the whole time. There is a strange occurance of
people who claim to have been abducted. Their evidence is their testimony.
If normal civilian testimony isn't enough, what about a police officer?
The Ilkley Moor Alien Abduction
The case of the Ilkley Moor alien is one of the most controversial cases of alien abduction ever recorded in the U.K. because of the circumstances
surrounding the event. At odds is the wide spread disbelief in alien abductions and the two very damning facts purporting it: the Ilkley Moor abductee
was a police officer, expected to be an expert eyewitness, and the photograph of what he claims is the entity he encountered.
There is a picture in this link that shows an 'alien'. It is evidence, but too grainy for most skeptics to use as irrefutable proof. The compass
is also evidence, because the required devices needed to accomplish the pole reversal was not available at the time for that location, and it was
examined by the Manchester's Institute of Science and Technology. He only went under hypnotic suggestion after
the original account, and
to recount the missing time. It even goes to pointing out regression therapy has been used in the court of law to convict criminals, just
as my argument is about honest testimony without hypnotic regression.
People do have past life regressions as peasants, but instead of searching before making a claim, some people make the claim and provide it as fact
unless someone takes the time to prove them wrong.
Past Life Memories
Occasionally I had "flashes" of peasant life in China, and knew that once I had led a very impoverished rural existence as a woman.
Just because a phenomenon is unexplained, doesn't make it less real. Most of our universe is unexplained, in fact, now they say it cannot be seen as
well, but it is accepted as real ... dark matter, dark energy, anti-matter. This is all consider real unexplained phenomenon, even though we can't
see it, it exists. We know it must be there because otherwise the galaxies don't have enough mass to stay together. Well, the testimony exists of
abductions from real people, who claim the experience was real, and some of them have real evidence, it just depends on how far you push the skeptical
envelope for undeniable proof. The evidence exists, but it rests in the realm of plausible deniability for those who wish to dismiss it.
I did not claim we have the ability to design a craft to travel the stars I stated something that anyone can search on their own, that David Sereda,
former head of Lockheed Martin's Skunkworks said that we have the ability to travel the stars, it is locked up in black projects, and anything you
can dream we already have. Paraphrased of course, since I have hit my limit for source links. Anyone with a search engine can verify this, and it
has been covered in ATS forums before. The speech was made in 1993
. Quite a beautiful and depressing statement all in one if you look it
Again, my opponent resulted to defaming the character of the abductees, calling them easily fooled, manipulated, and dream so vividly they cannot tell
the difference ... blanketing all people, though having no personal contact with them, in the same categories. That their opinion is by far more
trustworthy than health professionals conducting a study on individuals with researchers present, who had hands on experience, and found these people
to be credible and rational.
All holograms are not the bonus ones from baseball card decks of the 90s. In fact there were stereogram and holographic games in the early and late
90s. It produced a 3D image in open space, not the impression of a 3D image. It may not be physical, but it is a real image.
If you are 'mal-programmed', then how would you know? If you smell something, and you are alone, is that smell really there without someone to
verify it for you? Do all things you see, hear, smell, taste need to be verified? What about your thoughts? Are they real? Whatever impulses that
your brain interprets is
real to you. I have even known people to have group hallucinations, so now, if it is verified by others, but I don't
see it, then who sees reality and who sees fantasy. Luckily, our world doesn't put us in this situation too often. If I feel a shiver, it is real?
There was impulses that made a path through my body, but there was no outside influence ... constant temperature, nothing physical grazing my skin,
but it felt like a real touch.
I assure you my search for the first abduction case was a first page result, I believe it was in the top 5. Multiple searches, different engines,
give different results. But, if you were trying to find the answer to a problem, would you stop in the first 5 or 20 attempts? Probably not. The
right answer isn't always the most popular or agreed upon one. How long did science consider the earth the center of the universe under consensus,
and the ones who disagree were chastised? For quite a while.
Overall, alien abduction is a common subject, nearly anyone you speak to will have heard of it. Some believe they are real, some don't. Some see
the evidence as proof, some claim it is hooey. A lot of evidence and testimony that cannot be refuted point to it being real. Not only that, it is a
phenomenon that exists in modern society, evidence points to it occurring in past societies (though relegated as gods, and fiction, as it is
In the end, I have qualified my argument using definitions from multiple sources.
Alien abductions are a real phenomenon.
Alien abductions serious, unaccountable occurrence.
Alien abductions are a unusual account, not to be taken lightly.
Thank you coven for a fun debate, the readers for taking the time, and The Vagabond for putting out all the effort to run it.