As Above So Below, As Below So Above is a teaching from a truly ancient belief system called Hermetics, likely the oldest known form of spiritual/philosophical teaching. It would seem that from Hermetics have risen all of the major religions, as many of their core teachings are predated by Hermetic teachings. You may find the reading very fascinating of the anonymously authored mysterious little book known as The Kybalion (it's googlin' time!).

The "as above . . ." principle's basic implication seems to be that whatever function is required on one level is actually the principle required on all levels (Bill Gates, being extremely wealthy, still has to tie his shoe just like a bum living under a bridge, that type of thing). So, maybe kindness and compassion might be required on all vibratory levels of existence to ascend to the next level. Or maybe some might say that since lust for power and wealth is a deep, underlying problem for the human being (as below), there must also be some deep, underlying darkness about First Source (as above)...might this be where "the devil" comes in?

But then this all seems to assume that God is nothing more than the ultimate ascended amoeba. Perhaps there may be a lot more to comprehending God than we can solve in a few pages of limited resources coming under critical examination . . .

By the looks of things and the various evidence provided by religious texts would support that in fact there was more than one god way back when. As a young one once, I too left the flock because of various verses that could not be answered properly and the idea of god stating that he is a jealous god and that we should only worship him and no others just did not sit well with me. Still doesn't.

I look at things in this way, since we were given free will of choice, then any god that tells me that I was born a sinner cause of the faults of others, that I must follow his rules to get in heaven and so on. Well that is just not free will of choice.

Truth is there is so much mis-truth in all religons of this world and really they smell of Over Lords from beyond this world. Heck, I really get a chuckle when so called organized religions say that others beliefs are cults and then you look up cult and see that by definition every religion on this world is a cult, just makes you wonder. It is all about what they try to teach us early on and how well that teaching (programing) takes to us or not.

Now I do not want any to think I do not believe in some sort of supreme being, but it sure is not what is defined on this world. But, I do respect all who desire to believe in whatever you want to believe, cause that is of course your free will of choice.

Interesting final comment, my grown offspring all were raised with the free will of choice to choose whatever they wish to believe or whatever religion that they might have chosen and yet none of them choose one to follow and are living very productive and what others would say moral (good) lives. None of us fear any god or worry about matters pertaining to our eventual physical deaths.

Be In Peace.

I talk with a very religous guy at work sometimes, about things like this... he goes to church every sunday, never misses a mass or anything.. i asked him a similar question to this thread, few weeks ago, out of curiosity...
The reason god killed everyone, except Noah, was because people were doing things opposite of gods law, also, because biblicly speaking, in that time/era, angels would often come to earth, disguised at humans, to hae sex with the human women... the angels thought that they were so beutiful. This made god upset.... those angels, are placed somewhere else until judgement day.... only NOah, prayed and repented, ect everyday to god, so thats why god spared him, as he didnt fall into the angel sex acts, commit crimes ect as the other humans did, so god felt for him, and spared him.
Cant say its all true, but this christian at work, knows his stuff!

Another take as I see the comment of AS ABOVE, SO BELOW and SO BELOW AS ABOVE which is a point that I make offen is that when you look at our lives you can count on that live else where has been or is that same as what is happening here...it is just all the same. Many have this idea that those beyond this world on other worlds that are smart enough to get here to visit are smarter and thus should know better, but the reality of it smarts does not mean that you do things always bettter. And so when you look at all the aspects of our world you can count on the simple truth that it is the same everywhere else. There is always going to be aspects that are similar, that's how things work. Good, bad, or indifferent, it is all represented here as it would be out there.

So here is one for some of those that like to ponder things, when it states "below" in relation to this world can we say we are refering to some form of life that is interior to our own world?

Originally posted by Im a Marty
Yes I always questioned that too! When I was going to Church a few years ago, I asked someone why the 'God' of the bible is full of anger, destruction, disappointment (Even killing people with the flood) - then Jesus who was supposed to be God incarnate as a human, would be compassionate, loving, caring, etc.... Just didn't make sense. I think the angriest Jesus ever got was upturning the table at the synagogue and calling the religious men 'Hypocrites'.

Seems like humanizing 'God' made him more caring

I struggle to think that if Jesus was 'God' that he'd be someone to cause the flood!

Thx

Actually the God in the holy bible was written to control slaves with fear of wrath psychology taken from and enhanced from Judaism. Convince a people of their inferiority then set the bar impossibly high- this way they are less likely to rise up and call ya on yer schitt!

Worked so well- its still used to day- peppered with "terrorism" of course!

The way I see it. God or Gods are not coming anywhere near us until we learn to stop exploiting vulnerabilities. I would think even the Creator(s) have vulnerabilities- And you can just best some a$$hole like Bush would try to figure out what it is and try to destroy it, conquer it and rule as if!

Would you have anything to do with that? I sure as hell would stay far away!

Originally posted by Jonar
. . . So here is one for some of those that like to ponder things, when it states "below" in relation to this world can we say we are refering to some form of life that is interior to our own world?

Like ants? . . . inferior in what way? Pertaining to ants, I don't imagine they tie shoes, but the Principle does a simplicity breakdown to more fundamental aspects of life: if the ant has to drink water to live, I have to drink water to live; if the ant is subject to enemy attack, I am subject to enemy attack; if the ant has to get up and hunt food, I have to do likewise in my world.

Spiritually, psychologically, selfishly? . . very difficult to imagine a human-type civilization that could be categorized as inferior to us.

as far as im concerned !

there is only one god in this unvierse ! if there were more than 1 god , well this universe would actuely end in a blink of an eye ! how so :

as for a quick example ! if god number 1 wanted something and god 2 wanted something else and lets say that god 2 was stronger than god 1 well in that way god 2 will kill god 1 and god 2 will take over everything ... its abit stupid to think that there is more than god ! i dont mean any disrespect to anyone

if u need more proof or even more example's just tell me

How can gods be killed?

It has been my theory after years and years of study, that the truth was given at the beginning of life on earth and because there was no written word at the time, the "truth" was modified over and over again as the verbal word spread. Kind of like gossip where the subject keeps getting changed a little with each person hearing it.

I have to believe there is only one God, the God who gave Moses the tablets on Mt. Sinai. Now, what form God took at the time, we don't know. God, knowing the truth had been distorted and his name turned into multiple gods, chose Moses to be his messenger and lead the people to the promised land to further his agenda and relate his message that he is the one and only God.

We do know from recent astrophysics studies, that the universe was formed instantly, in one splt second of time (which didn't exist then) from something smaller than anything we know of yet. I have to believe there is an infinite, all-knowing, all-loving God who created everything. In effect, we are star children formed from the matter produced by exploding galaxies as God spoke the world into existence.

Any good being would have adversary as all things have a positive and a negative. Pride brought the angels down as Lucifer postulated that he, himself could be as God, and chose to form his own army against the one and only. All creation myths contain some sort of this story.

Got a little off subject here, but just trying to make sense.

I believe there are various types of dreams. One type is our unconscienceness winding down from the day or week. In this type, our daily lives get jumbled up with our unconscienc though processes. Another type is a sort if vision. It sounds like you may be having the vision type, but it could be a stress dream caused from your distress of having them and not remembering them...so hard to say. Do these dreams awaken you so much that you can't go back to sleep?

I've heard my name called out loud from my sleep before when noone else was in the house. An eery feeling, I must tell you. These are the kinds of things that led me on my quest.

I have never made this request before, but I do want you all to understand why I am doing so now. I would like for as many of you that will, to flag this thread. Reason #1, has to do with what I brought up in the above post. and of course, reason #2, is to try to get this thread back on the front page of the board to get as much attention as possible.
Thus far I have had many members post very helpful links that are synonymous to this thread title and subject matter. I thank you all so much for that. Some of you may have thought I deserted the thread while I was studying (LOL). But I can't help but believe that the more participation that we have from the knowledgeable members of ATS, the more answers that we will get.
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