Originally posted by undo
apollo tyrannical order
dionysus freedom and chaos
not sure how far i buy into that but it is interesting
what you're basically saying is good cop bad cop
I fully understand why you think this is what I am communicating, but it isn't.
Hear me out for a second before replying in your mind.
Afterward, please, by all means, I am curious as to your thoughts.
The two options are ultimately either Permanent, or Impermanent.
Permanent things are that which are established by OrderCharity.
Impermanent things are that which are established by Chaos or Pride.
Charity is the concept of giving from oneself.
Order is the concept of structure.
Chaos is the concept of blindness and independence.
Pride is the concept of selfishness.
Charity is the inverse of Chaos and the opposite of Pride.
Order is the inverse of Pride and the opposite of Chaos.
Order, without being unified with Charity is Pride.
Charity, without being unified with Order is Chaos.
Consider the cycle of Empires.
Empires rise up in Order, but without knowing the people they are leading, the Empire becomes Pride which creates Chaos.
The response of the people crying out for Charity from their leaders is to eventually rebel with violence and they become the Chaos which creates
This all leads to a new empire and a new cycle.
There is much life that comes from this process and like the life cycle and civilized usage of a tree (in an ecologically balanced form) it is very
dramatic, but very beautiful and much can be gained, understood, and had to be thankful for.
However, as we commonly understand about our world, it is one of limited resources. At some point, we must continue the spiritual progress that God
has gifted us with in a helix (which becomes a direction which becomes the Fullness of Existence) rather than a circle (which, in our world runs out,
even if in a trillion times trillion life times). The illusion of this world leads us to believe that circles are infinite, but they are not, they
are the most infinite we can understand, but it is it's own limitation.
The trick to this concept is to understand that we are never going to relieve ourselves of our design. Meaning, we are always going to need water,
dirt, air and sun. We may be able to replicate many aspects of life, but we will always need to toil to survive. Christ brought water that quenches
an eternal thirst that cannot be quenched in this life. What is that water? As Abraham knew, it is Counsel and Understanding. It is OrderCharity.
It is the balance that does not exist in our paradoxical world. However, as we understand that, and honor our Creators, and do our best to humbly
imitate Them, we will bring much health to our world and lives. We are able to manifest aspects of Gods in this world, but only by the gifts of Them
who are already the Fullness.
Lastly, for now, I'd like to touch on the idea of where we are. From the Void, which can be understood to be the end of Pride and Chaos, we were
made. We were made by The Fullness who made the Void. So in effect, God did not create Chaos or Pride, but rather, Chaos and Pride are the result of
Void becoming OrderCharity.
Imagine a triangle. The top being OrderCharity, the bottom right being Chaos and the bottom left being Pride.
The bottom of the triangle is Void, the top is the Fullness.
The true spiritual progress begins with basic matter. Add some Order (structure, dna, physics, etc), add some Charity (movement), and you have a
universe. Now add some more Order and Charity (adaptation, evolution, either or, just think the idea of growth), and you have life. Add some more,
and you have more complex life. Add some more, and now you have life that is able to look at itself. Add some more, and now you have life that can
manipulate itself, it's surroundings, in complex ways. Add some more, and you have the beginning of judges!!!! Add some more, and you have good
judges! And guess what, through the course of our history, we have had a man claim that goo judges will be cared for and unified to the Good Judges
who come down to us.
So again, we live where Order and Charity are not yet unified, and this world cannot contain such a thing. But we have been promised, whether as seen
in the stars, scriptures, or our own hearts, that the unification of Order and Charity will come and put to death the temporal world in which we live.
If life can be written on inanimate objects, how much more life can be written on the on the good judges who came from the inanimate objects? After
all, we are all simply the dirt that dances.
Originally posted by undo
why then does jehovah say "i would that you were either hot or cold, but you're lukewarm. therefore i will spew you out of my mouth." ?
Just to clarify once more, in this analogy lukewarm would be considered impermanent, as would be either cold or hot, as long as the opposite is taken
to mean permanent, but only for the sake of explaining. Hot or cold are not, in and of themselves, judged better or worse, nor is lukewarm. Simply,
a point was being made that unity is either a yes or no, not a half way kinda thing.
I hope this all makes sense. It can be a lot to hear and it is surely a lot to type.
[edit on 10/13/2009 by Dasher]