Bush says he can bypass Defense act

Originally posted by Nunny

Why are they illegal? Because you say they are? Congress gave him the authority. He believed they had WMD's as did Congress, as did 18 nations on the security council. Why?

Because Saddam WANTED them to believe so. Didn't you read the interview of Saddam by his interrogator's? They said that's EXACTLY what he wanted everyone to believe so that Iran wouldn't attack again, but that he DID HAVE everything including the scientists in place to restart the program on a dime.

No Saddam only wanted IRAN to think that but WE knew he had NONE and HE knew if he didn't prove he had none we would take him out. So why are you trying to say that video proves we had a reason to think he had WMD's. morever WHY is that video coming out so many years later when FBI Agent George had allegedly heard Saddam say he was "saying he had wmd's" ?

Ex-CIA official: WMD evidence ignored
'60 Minutes' report: White House disregarded good intelligence

Sunday, April 23, 2006; Posted: 10:04 p.m. EDT (02:04 GMT)

(CNN) -- A retired CIA official has accused the Bush administration of ignoring intelligence indicating that Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction and no active nuclear program before the United States-led coalition invaded it, CBS News said Sunday.

. www.cnn.com...

Oh yeah,, about the constitution your advice we should read it all.

I suggest your advice would better serve the country if you were to tell BUSH to read it.

He obviously has not.

- Con


[edit on 3-2-2008 by Conspiriology]

Sorry.............but any President has the capabilities of doing the exact same as Bush stated. Think about that if you support Hillary!!!

Originally posted by Nunny

[snip]. Jeb had NOTHING to do with the balloting in 2001 (I live in Florida!). It was a Democrat heading the voting at the time in case you didn't know and the reason so many were discounted is because verification of authority wasn't received first. Such as finding felons or undocumented workers before allowing them to vote. Or don't you care about the Constitution? Stop trying to mislead others because of you hatred of the Bush's...

First of all,, if you MUST act like a child and tell me to shut up in one post and now this time call me an idiot,

BE ADVISED: I am no idiot and have enjoyed counter posting PROOF to everyone of your erroneous suppositions and fallacious arguments. I would hate it to have this discussion cut short because you get frustrated and start getting personal.

Second, you can save the names,, I've been called em all and they roll off me like water off a ducks back.

Now Nunny,, I have no idea why you would suggest a reason people would do background checks for felons then in the same sentence ask me
"Or don't you care about the constitution"

Whether I did or didn't,, it has nothing to do with the presupposition about what I did or didn't know. If I didn't care about the Constitution I would be calling it a God dam piece of Paper just like our facsist President. So if you are going to get indignant with people who don't care about the constitution, then I suggest you direct your angst aggression to those who have spat upon it behind the guise of defending it.

I've lived all over Fla, and never considered that would make me an expert on Jeb Bush or his checkered past and many current FBI investigations where HE is the suspect.

I guess when you consider the following crimes and investigations this man is a prime suspect,, not to mention those in the past. The Bush Family has a long history of buying off federal judges, attorney generals etc. Basically they are pond scum, got it?

I posted a recent letter I received from Congressman Robert Wexler who quotes from it some issues about the Constitution. For someone who claims to have read "all of it",, claiming YOU understand it yet you defend those who violate it and make disparaging comments to veterans who didn't run and hide. I love this country as much as you do and I served six years part of "invictus Gallus Gladiator" Carrier Task force 6th fleet. Cecil field squadron home port Fla.

You really think you know Jeb Bush do you?

tilting an election in his brothers favor would be out of the question eh?

Just as the FBI investigation came to light late last month, presidential candidate George W. Bush and his brother Jeb were mixing and raising money with prominent Republicans throughout South Florida. Eller, a former Republican state committeeman and longtime friend of the Bush family, was not included among the listed hosts for the $1,000-a-plate Bush fundraiser in Fort Lauderdale, though Eller's 27-year-old son was.

"They don't want the slightest criticism," speculated Richard Lorraine, a Republican activist from Deerfield Beach. "They don't want Al Gore's people or Pat Buchanan or someone else they view as a loose cannon to say, "Look at this guy you've got working with you. He's under investigation by the FBI.' "

Then yet more fraud he is involved in

Nine hundred million dollars.

The U.S. attorneys announcing the settlement accused the company of "fraud" and trying to "manipulate and cheat the system."

Mike Leavitt, the Health and Human Services Secretary appointed by Jeb's brother George, said the company had "fraudulently abused the Medicare program." www.thestreet.com...

Then there was the saving and loan scandal of the 80's You were probably too young to remember all the other crap the Bushwhackers were up to but,, I remember.

Jeb’s defaulted loan from Broward Federal Savings and Loan in Sunrise, Florida transpired as follows.16 On February 1, 1985, Broward Federal loaned $4,565,000 to real estate developer J. Edward Houston, secured only by Houston’s personal guarantee. The same day, a company headed by Houston turned around and loaned the same amount to a partnership of Jeb Bush and Miami real estate developer Armondo Codina for them to buy a five-story building in Miami’s financial district.

Curiously, the Bush-Codina partnership was required to repay the loan from Houston “only as, if and to the extent that the cash flow from the building was sufficient to support those payments.” In fact, Bush and Codina made no payments at all on the loan prior to the final default settlement. In 1987 Houston defaulted on the $4.5 million Broward Federal loan, and the S&L sued both him and the Bush-Codina partnership. In an unusual settlement with the FDIC, Bush and Codina were obligated to repay just $500,000 of the loan and got to keep the building in the Miami financial district that collateralized the loan.

In 1991, federal regulators sued the officers and directors of Broward, charging that the loan used by Bush and Codina cost the savings and loan at least $4.97 million and was representative of the association’s negligent lending practices.17 The Bush-Codina loan contributed to the collapse of the Florida S&L, which cost taxpayers $285 million.18
www.campaignwatch.org...

JEB BUSH WOULD RUSH FDOC INVESTIGATIONS

The following article is a blatant effort by Jeb Bush to hurry FBI/FDLE investigations and silence the media. He's using his public office to pressure law enforcement agencies and reporters to let up on James Crosby.

Folks when Jeb becomes this desperately obvious, it means we are getting very close to exposing the fear tactics, political pressure, graft and corruption of certain high rankers in his department of 'corrections'. Maybe it's even more personal to Jeb than we would be willing to believe. Yes that's innuendo, but what else are we to believe when a man of Jeb's stature stoutly defends a man of James Crosby's character?

Reporters need news to make their stories. Investigators need facts to make their charges. They are the only ones right now that can get the truth out to the world and change it - Florida is corrupt - Jeb Bush and James Crosby have, if not participated in, allowed a 'Raiford Mafia' to become firmly entrenched in illegal activities such as drug running, theft and misuse of state funds and resources, a possible prostitution ring, maybe even a murder for hire or two.
www.angelfire.com...

Yeah,, Jeb is a real gem.

- Con





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[edit on 4-2-2008 by elevatedone]

Originally posted by jondular
Impeachment is off the table so how about a charge of treason on both! Illegal wars, copability in 911, lies, lies, lies. First time in history a vice took away the powers for the generals to run drills on 911 and ran them himself. Never been in the armed forces but, on June 1st the order was given and Rummy okayed it. June 1st 2001 the pilots could no longer carry a gun in the cockpits. Complete cover up and white wash. TREASON!
What is the punishment for treason...hmmmm

If the Congress was calling the War illegal, you may have some ground to base your claims, but....they aren't. If they don't think they have a strong enough case to impeach him, what makes you think they have a case for treason, which is a far more serious charge. As for Cheney, and what not, you're using a fairly revisionistic historical perspective.

Originally posted by Dagar


Wasn't he the one that said that the constitution was only a piece of paper?

I am not defending Bush.. but no, he didn't say that, at least not in that context, but say something enough times and it becomes true I guess.

Everyone will stop the bickering and name calling NOW.

This is your warning.. official warnings will follow.

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Originally posted by BlueRaja

Originally posted by jondular
Impeachment is off the table so how about a charge of treason on both! Illegal wars, copability in 911, lies, lies, lies. First time in history a vice took away the powers for the generals to run drills on 911 and ran them himself. Never been in the armed forces but, on June 1st the order was given and Rummy okayed it. June 1st 2001 the pilots could no longer carry a gun in the cockpits. Complete cover up and white wash. TREASON!
What is the punishment for treason...hmmmm

If the Congress was calling the War illegal, you may have some ground to base your claims, but....they aren't. If they don't think they have a strong enough case to impeach him, what makes you think they have a case for treason, which is a far more serious charge. As for Cheney, and what not, you're using a fairly revisionistic historical perspective.

Well I don't know about treason,, but it does seem to many who have served under him and later find out Bush left them stranded. Some times you be in combat situations that are the result of war and later come to find those situations haunt you for the rest of your life.

It is THEN when you find out as many of our faithful men and woman in the armed forces are now,, that BUSH only talks the talk

while thats easy when you never have to "walk the walk"
They may never walk again without help and do they get it from the man who never walked the walk?

Nope

Smith says Iraq war "criminal"
By MATTHEW DALY

The Associated Press

WASHINGTON, D.C. — Republican Sen. Gordon Smith, who voted in favor of the Iraq war and has supported it ever since, now says the current U.S. war effort is "absurd" and "may even be criminal."

In a major speech on the Senate floor, the Oregon senator called for changes in U.S. policy that could include rapid pullouts of U.S. troops from Iraq. He said he would have never voted for the conflict if he had known the intelligence that President Bush gave the American people was deliberately inaccurate.

Citing the hundreds of billions of dollars spent and the nearly 3,000 American deaths, Smith said: "I for one am at the end of my rope when it comes to supporting a policy that has our soldiers patrolling the same streets in the same way, being blown up by the same bombs day after day. That is absurd. It may even be criminal. I cannot support that anymore."

He's The Worst Ever

He's The Worst Ever Lincoln, then a member of Congress from Illinois, condemned Polk for misleading Congress and the public about the cause of the war -- an alleged Mexican incursion into the United States. Accepting the president's right to attack another country "whenever he shall deem it necessary," Lincoln observed, would make it impossible to "fix any limit" to his power to make war. Today, one wishes that the country had heeded Lincoln's warning
www.washingtonpost.com...

People like to paint McCain as a liberal
yet when it comes to fiscal responsibility BUSH has even the Kennedy's looking much more conservative

Here are some hard facts: Government spending has increased faster under George Bush and his Republican Congress than it did under Bill Clinton, and more people work for the federal government today than at any time since the end of the Cold War. During Bush’s first term, total government spending skyrocketed from $1.86 trillion to $2.48 trillion, an increase of 33 percent (almost $23,000 per household, the highest level since World War II). The federal budget grew by $616.4 billion during Bush’s first term in office. If post 9/11 defense spending is taken off the table, domestic spending has ballooned by 23 percent since Bush took office. When Bill Clinton left office in 2000, federal spending equaled 18.5 percent of the gross domestic product, but by the end of the first Bush administration, government outlays had increased to 20.3 percent of the GDP. The annualized growth rate of non-defense and non-homeland-security outlays has more than doubled from 2.1 percent under Clinton to 4.8 percent under Bush.

Increased spending inevitably means increased taxes. Thus, despite President Bush’s much vaunted tax cuts, Americans actually pay more in taxes today than they did during Bill Clinton’s last year in office. The 2006 annual report from Americans for Tax Reform, titled “Cost of Government Day,” sums up rather nicely the intrusive role played by Republican government in the lives of ordinary Americans.

The report says that Americans had to work 86.5 days just to pay their federal taxes, as compared to 78.5 days in 2000 under Bill Clinton. In other words, the average American has worked 10.2 percent more for the federal government under George Bush than under Bill Clinton. When state and local taxes (controlled in the majority of places by Republicans) are added to federal taxes, Americans worked for the government eight hours a day, five days a week, from January 1 until July 12, meaning they worked full-time for the government for more than half the year. As Tom Feeney, a congressional Republican put it: “I remember growing up and reading in some school textbooks that if more than half your paycheck went to the government, then you were living in a socialist society." I guess that makes him a cross dressing socialist then.

Then Blueraj says they got nothing on cheney?

Oh yeah they do and the United States Lawyers Guild is currently in a law suit to make sure the congress does just what this bill is intended to to do
IMPEACH CHENEY.

HRES 333 IH


110th CONGRESS



1st Session


H. RES. 333

Impeaching Richard B. Cheney, Vice President of the United States, for high crimes and misdemeanors.


IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES


RESOLUTION

Impeaching Richard B. Cheney, Vice President of the United States, for high crimes and misdemeanors.
www.opencongress.org...

You know,, even you diehard bush supporters got to realize that when it comes to our troops,, NOTHING is more important then how those troops get treated for the sacrifices they make and that means all of them.

Well lets see Blue how BUSH stacks up shall we

Bush Administration cuts $1.5 billion from military family housing. The Bush Administration cut $1.5 billion for military family housing, despite Department of Defense statistics showing that in 83,000 barracks and 128,860 family housing units across the country are below standard. ("Nothing But Lip Service," Army Times, June 30, 2003; "House Appropriations Committee Approves $59.2 Million for Ft. Hood," U.S. Rep. Chet Edwards Press Release, June 17, 2003)

Bush Republicans support millionaires instead of military veterans. Bush allies in Congress stopped efforts to scale back the tax cut for the nation's millionaires by just five percent - a loss of just $4,780 for the year - in order to restore this funding for military family housing. ("The Tax Debate Nobody Hears About," Washington Post, June 17, 2003)

Bush Administration underfunded veterans' health care by $2 billion. The Bush Administration's 2004 budget underfunded veterans' health care by nearly $2 billion. ("Vets Health Low on Bush's Priority List," The Hill, September 17, 2003; "Support for Troops Questioned," Washington Post, June 17, 2003; U.S. Department of Veterans' Affairs, September 2002)

Bush Administration proposal would end health care benefits for 173,000 veterans. More than 173,000 veterans across the country would be cut off from health care because of Bush Administration proposed budget cuts and its plan requiring enrollment fees and higher out-of-pocket costs. ("Support for Troops Questioned," Washington Post, June 17, 2003)

Bush Administration budget cuts force more than 200,000 veterans to wait for health care. Over 200,000 United States veterans have to wait more than six months for a medical visit because of health care shortages. ("VA Health Care Funding Alert," Veterans of Foreign Wars of the United States Press Release, January 31, 2003)

Bush Administration opposed plan to give National Guard and Reserve Members access to health insurance. Despite the war efforts of America's National Guard and Reserve Members, the Bush Administration announced in October 2003 its formal opposition to give the 1.2 million Guard and Reserve members the right to buy health care coverage through the Pentagon's health plan. One out of every five Guard members lacks health insurance. ("Bush Opposes Health Plan for National Guard," Gannett News Service, October 23, 2003)

Bush Administration cuts $172 million allotted for educating the children of military personnel. The Bush Administration's 2004 budget cut $172 million of impact aid funding. Impact aid funding assists school districts by making up for lost local tax revenue from tax-exempt property, such as military bases. These education cuts will especially affect school-age children of troops serving in Iraq who reside on military bases. ("Support for Troops Questioned," Washington Post, June 17, 2003)

Bush Administration tax cut denies military families increase in child tax credit. The families of 262,000 children of military personnel do not receive the child tax credit increase because the plan fails to cover taxpaying families with incomes between $10,500 and $26,625. According to The Washington Post, the House version of the Bush Administration plan "wouldn't help many of those serving in Iraq." One solider who will not benefit is Army Specialist Shoshana Johnson, the soldier and single mother who was wounded twice in the same convoy as Jessica Lynch. ("Ex-POW's Family Accuses Army of Double Standard on Benefit," Washington Post, October 24, 2003; "The New Senate Child Credit Legislation - What It Does and Does Not Do," Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, June 25, 2003; "Whose Child Is Left Behind," Children's Defense Fund, July 23, 2003)
www.awolbush.com...

Originally posted by gormly

Originally posted by Dagar


Wasn't he the one that said that the constitution was only a piece of paper?

I am not defending Bush.. but no, he didn't say that, at least not in that context, but say something enough times and it becomes true I guess.

Yeah he DID say it and the only one present to deny it is Bush. Or are all the others that heard him say it lieing?

Even if you take the expletive out of it,, it still is only a piece of paper to this guy. You guys defending Bush are defending a paper tiger C'mon now sooner or later you have to say "I made a mistake and continue making a mistake defending him" then you can understand why all this is going on the past month

17 Legislative District passed a resolution in support of the impeachment of Bush and Cheney on January 28th, 2008.

Resolutions supporting impeachment have been passed in 14 Washington State Democratic Legislative Districts: 1st, 11th, 17th, 26th, 32nd, 34th, 36th, 37th, 41st, 43rd, 44th, 45th, 46th, and 48th.

The Washington State Democratic Central Committee (WSDCC) passed a resolution supporting two bills in the WA State Legislature calling for the impeachment of Bush and Cheney , SJM 8016 and HJM 4027.

What: The WSDCC supports SJM 8016 and HJM 4027, and states that the Chair of the WSDCC shall "exert all possible efforts to publicize and gain support for SJM 8016 and HJM 4027."

Passed on SATURDAY, January 26, 2008

I don't care how you slice it, BUSH is as evil as bad as big a failure in office as we have ever had and was a coward when it comes to war pure and simple George W. Bush - AWOL from the National Guard 1972-'73
Where were you in '72? Most of them remember...Bush does not...

Defending Bush? That has got to be the very hard to do as it has been so easy to counter every post I have seen with a mountain of evidence all the way to Gov Documents posted on Gov sites. but more then how hard it must be to find any redemption in this complete and utter failure,,

is why even bother anymore.

Look it is Obvious that Bush has been for Bush, NOT YOU NOT ME NOT THE TROOPS AND NOT THIS COUNTRY.

The best you can do to save this guy from prosecution is look as bad as he already does in the eyes of anyone else. The best you can do to save face is simply quit trying to defend the imbecile and hope he doesn't make it to his hideway in paraguay.

- Con






- Con

[edit on 4-2-2008 by Conspiriology]

Originally posted by Conspiriology

Originally posted by gormly

Originally posted by Dagar


Wasn't he the one that said that the constitution was only a piece of paper?

I am not defending Bush.. but no, he didn't say that, at least not in that context, but say something enough times and it becomes true I guess.

Yeah he DID say it and the only one present to deny it is Bush. Or are all the others that heard him say it lieing?


I don't care how you slice it, BUSH is as evil as bad as big a failure in office as we have ever had and was a coward when it comes to war pure and simple George W. Bush - AWOL from the National Guard 1972-'73
Where were you in '72? Most of them remember...Bush does not...


The best you can do to save this guy from prosecution is look as bad as he already does in the eyes of anyone else. The best you can do to save face is simply quit trying to defend the imbecile and hope he doesn't make it to his hideway in paraguay.


- Con

[edit on 4-2-2008 by Conspiriology]

It was alleged in one source that Bush made that comment, and was later retracted when there wasn't evidence to suppport it.

Bush wasn't AWOL during his time in the ANG- I believe Dan Rather lost his job because of false documents, trying to make this point.

None of those resolutions you mentioned went before the House/Senate for impeachment proceedings of Bush or Cheney.

If you want to disagree with Bush that's fine. Don't lie about him to make your case though.

Originally posted by BlueRaja


It was alleged in one source that Bush made that comment, and was later retracted when there wasn't evidence to suppport it.

CHB was who wrote the retraction lol did you read it?

I’ve talked to three people present for the meeting that day and they all confirm that the President of the United States called the Constitution “a goddamned piece of paper.”www.capitolhillblue.com...

Yes he was and I already posted it the story. Dan Rather got fired

No Dan Rather got fired because he insisted on doing a story where killians documents were discoverd forgerys. He was told not to report on it or they would lose advertisers. Dan reported he got canned . I know all about that, it's old news

the one I posted is the same one YOU said called him a "dynamic outstanding young officer" but omitted the last part of it

Then read on from there.

Bush enlisted in the Texas Air National Guard on May 27, 1968, during the Vietnam War, with a commitment to serve until May 26, 1974. In his 1968 Statement of Intent (undated), he wrote, "I have applied for pilot training with the goal of making flying a lifetime pursuit and I believe I can best accomplish this to my own satisfaction by serving as a member of the Air National Guard as long as possible." He performed Guard duty as an F-102 pilot through April 1972, logging a total of 336 flight hours[5] and was promoted once during his service, to First Lieutenant.[6]

In November 1970, Lt. Col. Jerry B. Killian, commander of the 111th Fighter Squadron (Texas Air National Guard), recommended that Bush be promoted to First Lieutenant, calling him "a dynamic outstanding young officer" who stood out as "a top notch fighter interceptor pilot." He said that "Lt. Bush's skills far exceed his contemporaries," and that "he is a natural leader whom his contemporaries look to for leadership. Lt. Bush is also a good follower with outstanding disciplinary traits and an impeccable military bearing."

Bush's six-year obligation to serve required him to maintain his immediate readiness as an individual and a member of a unit to be called to active duty in the event of a national emergency. Bush's military records indicate that until May 1972 he fulfilled that obligation. But from that point on,

Bush failed to meet the attendance requirements established by Federal law, Department of Defense regulations, and Air Force policies and procedures for "obligated" members of the Air National Guard, and the Air Force requirement for an annual physical examination for pilots

None of those resolutions you mentioned went before the House/Senate for impeachment proceedings of Bush or Cheney.

Oh what do you call this ?
www.wexlerforcongress.com...

I got some others too if you like?

Great news! SJM 8016 has passed out of the WA State Senate Gov't and Op's Committee! All five Democrats on the committee voted yes. Now Senator Oemig's bill to impeach Bush and Cheney will head over to the Senate Rules Committee.

Thank you Chair Fairley, Senator Oemig, Sen. Kline, Sen. Pridemore and Sen. McDermott!

4027. (360) 786-7920 [email protected]


Washington State says "Impeach them!"
Linda Boyd
Washington For Impeachment

Don't lie? You keep posting opinions without a shread of proof while I show actual videos of the congressman that sent the email I posted he wrote the day of the state of the union address on this resolutions progress in your other thread Jan 28th 08 you continue to talk about things like retractions but never show one leaving us to prove your case.

You talk about motions in congress or senate you say never happened without showing any of those I posted not matched with resolutions passed on the day I said they were on any congressional docket

It's really disengenuous of you to assume I am a liar telling me not to, when im not , while you defend the biggest liar in presidential history. 935 to be exact and counting.

BUSH is a thug a coward a maggot a crook a terrorist and a liar

what that says about you is

anyones guess.

- Con


[edit on 6-2-2008 by Conspiriology]

Originally posted by Conspiriology
Well damn it if that isn't the most frustrating thing about not just the Bush Admin but the entire house and senate. They were all talking about change and they all got swept in and Bush said they suffered a
"thumpin" . The next day the democrats became the do nothing congress. I mean as much smak as pilosi was throwing at Bush. I mean what is GOING ON WITH THIS GOVERNMENT! The Democrats said they were going to stop sending money to Iraq but three times now they gave Bush just what he wanted.

I think Bush should be executed

- Con

That is because you labor under the misapprehension that there is actually a difference between the Republicons and the Demoncrats.

reply to post by Conspiriology


You are confusing individual Congressmen putting forth something vs. an actual impeachment resolution, that has gotten in front of the entire House for a vote. There have been anti war lawyers calling for it too, but calling for it, doesn't make it so. Nancy Pelosi won't even consider impeachment, and she's certainly not Bush's fan club chairperson.

reply to post by Conspiriology


I am familiar with the source of the claim that Bush called the Constitution a "Goddamned piece of paper." That source also retracted that claim, so you may want to delve a little deeper into sources, before hearsay becomes truth.

reply to post by Conspiriology


You think Bush should be executed?

I'm calling FBI on you.

Just kidding, but do you really mean that? Isn't it against the law to say things like that?

reply to post by TheoOne


Saying things like that could certainly get the Secret Service more interested in someone, than they might otherwise be.

Originally posted by BlueRaja

You are confusing individual Congressmen putting forth something vs. an actual impeachment resolution, that has gotten in front of the entire House for a vote. There have been anti war lawyers calling for it too, but calling for it, doesn't make it so. Nancy Pelosi won't even consider impeachment, and she's certainly not Bush's fan club chairperson.

All I said was the ones I listed passed. Yeah they are trying to put something together for pelosi too.

Originally posted by BlueRaja
reply to post by Conspiriology

 

I am familiar with the source of the claim that Bush called the Constitution a "Goddamned piece of paper." That source also retracted that claim, so you may want to delve a little deeper into sources, before hearsay becomes truth.

Why don't YOU show me the retraction and prove it, I seriously can't find it. ANYWHERE