The Top Secret US Military Space Program. Is The Future Already Here?, page 14
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reply posted on 13-4-2008 @ 12:41 PM by zorgon
Originally posted by mikesingh
Hmmm.... So NASA/DoD has a Top Secret facility in Italy??


Shhh its a SECRET


Italy. In addition to Italian participation in the European Space Agency's efforts, the Italian Space Agency (ASI) independently is providing three Multi-Purpose Logistics Modules. They will be used on the Space Shuttle to carry pressurized cargo and payloads to the ISS. The structural design of the Modules forms the basis for the design of the European Space Agency's Columbus Orbital Facility. The agency also will supply Nodes 2 and 3 to NASA.


[url=http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/space/spacestation/overview/world_wide_team.html]http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/[url]

Multi Purpose Logistics Module (MPLM) Leonardo during integration in Alenia Aerospazio's clean room in Turin, Italy (NASA)


www.nasa.gov...

And don't be so smug Mr "I have an estate in India"

NASA has its slimy grip on YOUR country too...

NASA To Work With India on Moon Mission
www.nasa.gov...

NASA/ISRO deal: No Shuttle seat for India

'We are restricting the space shuttle flights to only those missions necessary for completing the International Space Station (ISS) and one mission for the Hubble space telescope, there is no seat left for an Indian trained astronaut on board the shuttle over the next four years,' Griffin said at the press conference in Bangalore to announce the NASA deal with India.


www.nasaspaceflight.com...

Maybe we could get India to back Pegasus' spacecraft... we would give them a seat

China takes one image of the Moon... its 'doctored', looks like a google Moon knock off and then nothing more... ( I wonder if they REALLY made it up there)

Japan say 2 years before we see anything from there craft (Selene has been all but forgotten in the public eye)

LOL anyone that thinks any other country will get a chance to reveal whats going on out there... I got news for ya...

NASA in Japan

The NASA Japan Representative is based at the U.S. Embassy in Tokyo, Japan and is responsible for coordination of NASA programs and interests in Japan and other countries in the Asia Pacific Region. The NASA Japan Representative works with regional aerospace officials and industry representatives on key programs and serves as a local point of contact for NASA meetings and travel in the region.

There are three NASA officials working in Japan and two assistants. In addition to the NASA Japan Representative, there is a NASA International Space Station Program Liaison at the JAXA Tsukuba Space Center and a NASA Scientist at the JAXA Institute for Space and Astronautical Science.


Heck they even have a special OFFICE
www.hq.nasa.gov...

And while looking for things I came across THIS old article...

Remember Gary McKinnon from Britain who looked into images at JPL? Well it seems JPL's computers are like Swiss Cheese...

NASA OIG: Fourteen Hackers Arrested in Italy

On July 31, 2002, federal police officers with the Guardia di Finanza, Milan, Italy, served search warrants and arrested 14 members of the "Reservoir Dogs" hacking crew. The arrests were the result of a 10- month joint investigation that started with the compromise of a US Army computer at Redstone Arsenal, Alabama, and two computer systems at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) in California.

Special Agents with the US Army Criminal Investigation Command, Computer Crime Investigative Unit (CCIU) received the initial complaint in October 2001. The CCIU traced the intrusion through several intermediary computers to its source in Italy. Through recovery and examination of the compromised computers, CCIU was able to determine that the computers had been hacked by a member of the "Reservoir Dogs" hacking crew. CCIU also found evidence of several more compromised computers including one computer at JPL. This information was passed through the United States Secret Service Liaison Officer in Milan to the Italian authorities.


www.spaceref.com...

So just where IS that line between us researches seeking answers... and the hackers finding them?

All you skeptics out there...Ask the hackers... they have what we don't... and are sitting in jail as PROOF


reply posted on 13-4-2008 @ 12:45 PM by zorgon
reply to post by internos

Well it sucks when they do that... because now it makes his other data suspect. This was the main reason I did not post that picture yet... If I cannot find the original source I try not to use them

(The other reason is I haven't finished the "Triangle UFO' section at Pegasus yet )

The glove is good though As to the distortion being from the drive... I would not expect it to be rectangular around a triangular craft....


AH! So if that IS a glove... then the image makes more sense




[edit on 13-4-2008 by zorgon]


reply posted on 17-4-2008 @ 02:09 AM by zorgon
BREAKING NEWS

Well I now have DEFINITE PROOF that...

A) Barbato's Image is tampered with... a lousy cut and paste job...

B) that the ORIGINAL photo is in fact THE REAL DEAL

C) That once again NASA is calling our 'UFO's SPACE DEBRIS

Not only that but THIS 'space debris' is a THREAT




NEW YORK TIMES


Now it IS interesting and important to note that they do not actually talk about this picture... only the author has used this image in a 'space debris' article...

I tell you what... this is a GREAT FIND by mur (at a different forum)


reply posted on 17-4-2008 @ 03:50 AM by mikesingh
reply to post by zorgon



Wow! That's a fantastic find! So that triangle in Barb's pic is probably taken from here! Nice C&P job, eh?

But heck! The crap that these guys spew is not even funny! I mean how can that object be space debris? Do they think we are all that dumb? Ha! I think it's the Aurora! Period!


reply posted on 17-4-2008 @ 04:21 AM by internos
reply to post by mikesingh


Darn! I can't applaude Zorgon here:
Mike i hope that you did, heck!
What a fantastic find, great sleuth here


reply posted on 17-4-2008 @ 05:24 AM by mikesingh
Originally posted by internos
reply to
post by mikesingh


Darn! I can't applaude Zorgon here:
Mike i hope that you did, heck!
What a fantastic find, great sleuth here


Why the devil can't you?? OK, now where's that applause button? Lemme see....Ah..Nope! Couldn't find it too! Darn!



[edit on 17-4-2008 by mikesingh]


reply posted on 17-4-2008 @ 05:28 AM by internos
reply to post by mikesingh



We can move this one in Aliens & UFOs, applaude him than bring it back: (joking)

I hope that there's any chance to find the original picture:
now i'd like to take a closer look to that thing, whatever it is.



reply posted on 17-4-2008 @ 10:33 AM by jaamaan
Originally posted by COOL HAND How can something exist if there is no proof of it? Even the blackest of programs leaves a trail IF you know where to look.


This is quite typical
If there is no proof i does not exists ?

There used to be the idea that the whole universe evolved around the earth, do you think it did until we "proved" it didnt ?
Your logic is flawed on this one i have to say.

To all the "where is the proof" people i'd like to show this.


Circumstantial evidence

If a witness testifies that the defendant was seen entering a house, then screaming was heard, then the defendant was seen leaving, carrying a bloody knife, that is circumstantial evidence; if a witness testifies that the defendant was seen actually stabbing the victim, that is direct evidence.
en.wikipedia.org...


examples


A popular misconception is that circumstantial evidence is less valid or less important than direct evidence. This is only partly true: direct evidence is generally considered more powerful, but successful criminal prosecutions often rely largely on circumstantial evidence, and civil charges are frequently based on circumstantial or indirect evidence. In practice, circumstantial evidence often has an advantage over direct evidence in that it is more difficult to suppress or fabricate. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously inaccurate at times, and many persons have been convicted on the basis of perjured or otherwise mistaken testimony. Good strong circumstantial evidence can be a far more reliable basis on which to make a determination of guilt. It should be noted that circumstantial evidence normally requires a witness, such as the police officer who found the evidence, or an expert who examined it, to lay the foundation for its admission.
en.wikipedia.org...


I think this is quite relevant to these type of discussions.

[edit on 17-4-2008 by jaamaan]
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