NEWS: U.S. Officals were told before the war that WMD's would not be found.

In yet another bombshell related to Iraq weapons of mass destruction, USA Today has learned of a classified U.S. intelligence study that predicted, three months before the Iraq war, that WMD's may never be found. Two months after this study circulated among top officials, Tenet and administration heads assured the public that banned weapons would be found. USA Today The study by a team of U.S. intelligence analysts, military officers and civilian Pentagon officials warned that U.S. military tactics, guerrilla warfare, looting and lying by Iraqi officials would undermine the search for banned Iraqi weapons. Portions of the study were made available to USA TODAY. Three high-ranking U.S. intelligence officials described its purpose and conclusions. Where there's smoke, there's fire. Not only did the administration exaggerate the now nonexistent weapons programs of Iraq, they ignored their own intelligence that weapons may never be found. Related ATSNN News: Bush's New Campaign to Fight Spread of WMD's Related AboveTopSecret.com Discussion: It's your turn to admit you were wrong! Will usa destroy their nukes too? (developing) [Edited on 13-2-2004 by SkepticOverlord] [Edited on 16-2-2004 by SkepticOverlord]

What, yet more incrimination of the Office Of Special Plans, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Powell, Rice, Bush and the entire administration?

This wasn't 'selective' intelligence application to broaden support for the PNAC agenda.

The use of intelligence that made it into the final mix was instead an act of fraud, fabrication and criminality. They (the commanders in chief, not the intelligence bureaucrats) will be brought to trial, there is no doubt about that.

>>>ahem!!!

Clue or clueless.....read or not read? Sleep or awake and needing to go back to sleep?

"The study by a team of U.S. intelligence analysts, military officers and civilian Pentagon officials warned that U.S. military tactics, guerrilla warfare, looting and lying by Iraqi officials would undermine the search for banned Iraqi weapons."


As to the trial bit.....seen any move to CENSURE yet MA?
Or is this to come in your predicted 'April scenerio'?



regards
seekerof

Seekerof..............

READ! They have blatantly admitted it. They KNEW beforehand there were none. We dont need the integrity of the Iraqi officals to verify the non existance of WMD. We had special ops, in country, plus satelites covering every friggin inch of that hellhole.

Why do you still cling to it? Hell, even rabid right wing mad dog O reilly has apologized and voiced criticism of the admin and the lies. What more do you want, buddy? Every person and thier #ing hamster is coming out now saying they knew it was all bull#!

Youre smarter than that, quit clinging to the illusion! When even the right wing media is finally admitting it was wrong, then we know theres little room to contest it!

You know Skadi....here is the irony....I READ the article.
The article is entitled:
"Iraq arms hunt in doubt in '02"

Then the article details "why". In such, "they" are admitting what Skadi?
Here's what is admitted:
"....the possibility that Iraqi weapons of mass destruction might never be found."

Then the article goes into why such WMD would not be found. Words and phrases like:

....."tactics, guerrilla warfare, looting and lying by Iraqi officials would undermine the search for banned Iraqi weapons"....."Locating a program that ... has been driven by denial and deception imperatives is no small task"....."The report went to the National Security Council but was not specifically shown to President Bush"....."Finding things in Iraq is always very tough"....."There will always be unresolved ambiguity about the fate of the Iraqi arsenal"....."The study considered but rejected the possibility that Iraq had no banned weapons"....."trying to find multiple needles in a haystack ... against the background of not knowing how many needles have been hidden"....."Some of the obstacles outlined by the study included the expected rapid movement of U.S. ground forces over wide areas, leaving critical sites vulnerable to looting. Guerrilla warfare, the report predicted, also would make the weapons search difficult."

No....perhaps you and others need to clarify how this article and others empirically says what many of you are "thinking and interpreting" it to say?

You comment:

"Why do you still cling to it?"

Why? Because I have seen the official 'parts' of the official intelligence used....I have seen the official UN/UNSCOM findings and documentation on Saddam/Iraq's WMD programs, what was declared, what was destroyed and documented and what was declared and NOT destroyed nor documentation to explain where those undestroyed weapons are at. Your case of proving and claiming that Iraq has NO WMD is as unproven as those who argued and argue that Iraq had/has WMD. Thats "why".

Then:

"Hell, even rabid right wing mad dog O reilly has apologized and voiced criticism of the admin and the lies."

Really? Have you read what Mr. "Waffling" O'Reilly has said as of late after making such apology....you know, the very same guy that you, and others blasted, condemned and virtually tore apart, along with FAUX News network, and now, IRONICALLY, you and those same others are taking him at his word?! Oh, because he said and mentioned something you and others wanted to hear?! BTW, read his lasted comments in an article he wrote yesterday. I posted it and his commentary here:

"It's your turn to admit you were wrong!"
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Post number: 372785
URL to article:
www.foxnews.com...



Read? I did!


regards
seekerof

*edited for correcting link

[Edited on 13-2-2004 by Seekerof]

Seekerof,

I quote the bastard O Reilly because it is a valid point:
When the opposition starts admitting what the other side is saying has been a fact all along, or is losing its own doubts, that bolsters the other arguement. Admin officials quitting and comming out declaring what we have been saying long before it was news: Iraq invasion was planned the day Bush took office.

The crap about smuggling weapons of mass destruction out of Iraq is part of the Bull# intelligence and coverup to hide the fact there were none there! They couldnt have moved all that # without us knowing.

Thw WMD arguement is moot, always has been. More and more the evidence is coming out to support that it was all a lie. Try as they might. There was no good reason for the war. Saddam was NOT a legitimate threat, not with Pakistan now admitting its selling crap to North Korea and Iran, and now every #hole country in the world getting a hold of the tech. No, Iraq was going to crumble, we had them cornered, contained, it was only a matter of time before they fell on thier own.

We opened a new pandoras box. We should have left saddam to go gassing and torturing or whatever else he wished to do. We have bigger problems than the fate of a middle eastern country.

Gee what role has France, Germany, the UN, Russian, China, North Korea, Syria, Libya and a long list of other shysters played in this game?

I think there has been a lot of backstabbing going on here towards the US by these people. Also, why is there so much terrorism in Iraq now? Are these same countries also assisting the terrorists?

Maybe France can tell us where the weapons are?

Skadi....

"I quote the bastard O Reilly because it is a valid point:
When the opposition starts admitting what the other side is saying has been a fact all along, or is losing its own doubts, that bolsters the other arguement."

Umm, do I need to quote also what O'Reilly said on this matter of Iraqi WMD? I did it in the post I linked regarding the "day after" talkings of Mr. "Waffling" O'Reilly. If need be, let me know....


"Admin officials quitting and comming out declaring what we have been saying long before it was news: Iraq invasion was planned the day Bush took office."

I beg to differ and I beg to differ on the "concepts and pretexts" of the "PNAC agenda".
The real "beginnings" of the plans to remove Saddam where implemented in 1998 with the Clinton Administration in the Congress ratified, Presidentially signed: Iraq Liberation Act.


"The crap about smuggling weapons of mass destruction out of Iraq is part of the Bull# intelligence and coverup to hide the fact there were none there! They couldnt have moved all that # without us knowing."


Can you or others verify this as factual truth? Documentation of such? Perhaps maybe a 2002 study that will back this assertion? Until then, you, as well as I, are in "limbo" as to where those declared, documented, and unaccounted for Iraqi WMD weapons are at or 'if' they have been moved, destroyed, sold, buried, etc.


"Thw WMD arguement is moot, always has been. More and more the evidence is coming out to support that it was all a lie. Try as they might. There was no good reason for the war. Saddam was NOT a legitimate threat, not with Pakistan now admitting its selling crap to North Korea and Iran, and now every #hole country in the world getting a hold of the tech. No, Iraq was going to crumble, we had them cornered, contained, it was only a matter of time before they fell on thier own.

We opened a new pandoras box. We should have left saddam to go gassing and torturing or whatever else he wished to do. We have bigger problems than the fate of a middle eastern country."


All the above is argueable, and has been argued extensively on this board or here within ATS. I will respect your subjective reasoning, as such, due in part to these 'issues' being hashed already, and not needing to be re-hashed here.


regards
seekerof

[Edited on 13-2-2004 by Seekerof]

Maybe the Democrats know where the WMD are since they obsess about it all day long. I'm willing to bet that they have contacts in Iraq that were Saddam's buddy and they can tell us.

So where are the WMD then fellow Democrats? Ask you communist and socialist friends around the world and save us all from this POSTURING.

Originally posted by Seekerof
Skadi....

"I quote the bastard O Reilly because it is a valid point:
When the opposition starts admitting what the other side is saying has been a fact all along, or is losing its own doubts, that bolsters the other arguement."

Umm, do I need to quote also what O'Reilly said on this matter of Iraqi WMD? I did it in the post I linked regarding the "day after" talkings of Mr. "Waffling" O'Reilly. If need be, let me know....


"Admin officials quitting and comming out declaring what we have been saying long before it was news: Iraq invasion was planned the day Bush took office."

I beg to differ and I beg to differ on the "concepts and pretexts" of the "PNAC agenda".
The real "beginnings" of the plans to remove Saddam where implemented in 1998 with the Clinton Administration in the Congress ratified, Presidentially signed: Iraq Liberation Act.


"The crap about smuggling weapons of mass destruction out of Iraq is part of the Bull# intelligence and coverup to hide the fact there were none there! They couldnt have moved all that # without us knowing."


Can you or others verify this as factual truth? Documentation of such? Perhaps maybe a 2002 study that will back this assertion? Until then, you, as well as I, are in "limbo" as to where those declared, documented Iraqi WMD weapons are at or 'if' they have been moved, destroyed, sold, buried, etc.


"Thw WMD arguement is moot, always has been. More and more the evidence is coming out to support that it was all a lie. Try as they might. There was no good reason for the war. Saddam was NOT a legitimate threat, not with Pakistan now admitting its selling crap to North Korea and Iran, and now every #hole country in the world getting a hold of the tech. No, Iraq was going to crumble, we had them cornered, contained, it was only a matter of time before they fell on thier own.

We opened a new pandoras box. We should have left saddam to go gassing and torturing or whatever else he wished to do. We have bigger problems than the fate of a middle eastern country."


All the above is argueable, and has been argued extensively on this board or here within ATS. I will respect your subjective reasoning, as such, due in part to these 'issues' being hashed already, and not needing to be re-hashed here.

regards
seekerof

I guess we should just blame all those damn liberals and subversives for making everyone believe it was all lies eh Seekerof?

You must know someone that knows where the weapons are NADA, you are a connected kind of guy.

Originally posted by THENEO
Maybe the Democrats know where the WMD are since they obsess about it all day long. I'm willing to bet that they have contacts in Iraq that were Saddam's buddy and they can tell us.

So where are the WMD then fellow Democrats? Ask you communist and socialist friends around the world and save us all from this POSTURING.

Yeah that makes sense!!! Where do you get this # man?

If they could tell everyone were the WMD were they'd be bloody heroes!!!! It would no doubt buy them the next term in office, man you are dillusional.
The Democrats save the Republicans arses, wouldn't that be embarrassing...
It's been sad the past few days watching Republicans clutching at any old bullshit to save their arses.

[Edited on 13-2-2004 by John Nada]

Originally posted by THENEO
You must know someone that knows where the weapons are NADA, you are a connected kind of guy.

eh? Come again?

Gee, first you claim I'm a member of staff with a secret identity, now I don't know what you're claiming I am...I know I'm going to love it though......

[Edited on 13-2-2004 by John Nada]

For those wanting to Censure the President for his obvious lies, please go here:

www.moveon.org...

John:

"I guess we should just blame all those damn liberals and subversives for making everyone believe it was all lies eh Seekerof?"


I don't know John...I imagine that fingers will point and blame will be placed, no matter ideological differences or party affiliations.


regards
seekerof

GrndLkNatv & MOVEON.org,

Let me rephrase or clarify that for you GrndLkNatv, in regards to:
"...seen any move to CENSURE yet MA?"

Have you seen any official move for CENSURE by those in government?



regards
seekerof

Originally posted by Seekerof
John:

"I guess we should just blame all those damn liberals and subversives for making everyone believe it was all lies eh Seekerof?"


I don't know John...I imagine that fingers will point and blame will be placed, no matter ideological differences or party affiliations.

regards
seekerof

Come on you must have some opinion where this is coming from???

If you believe you've got the facts on your side, and you are very much in the minority at the moment, then why do you believe that so many of us ignorant people are subverted to believe these are all lies. Who is doing this, or is it mass ignorance?
I really want to know what you think and I doubt you have no opinion at all......

John...
I have never said that anyone was "ignorant".
I have stood for what I believe, argued it, debated it, and still do. And becuase of this, I am in the minority and am attacked as such.

As to my opinions, you are not aware of them yet? Even with the amount of times I have stated thus?


regards
seekerof

yep

[Edited on 13-2-2004 by McGotti]