If Ron Paul does not ask for a re count, he looses my full support!!!

hey seven: so did Jesus die only for the sins of the Republicans? Did he also die for the sins of Democrats? If he did for both, what does or should religion have to do with any of this? And do you believe that smearing someone simply by making fun of their name is righteous? In my opinion you do your religious cause (as per your advertisement for Jesus and the cross idol) a terrible disservice when you come in with a political agenda and insult someone who by your very own dogma is or could also be a member of the flock.

***for those not ATS members or signed in, you may not be able to see his avatar. It is a cross, then a new image flashes a bar code with a message that it is bought and paid for, then a new image appears spewing the died for our sins mantra *****

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And just think, 10 more months of these people and this garbage!!! god help us all!

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I'd really like to learn about this "abject" corruption you refer to sir. The only "true" pattern of corruption I have encountered was inside Christendom herself where it was regularly dictated to us in brainwashing sessions in the Christian school and church I had to attend while growing up that no matter what next Democrat it was who was running in office was always the next "anti-Christ"... how the beautiful whore on the white stallion operates with her two best friends government and business (the iron triangle: Church, State & Business; Church needs the State to stay off her back while the State needs the Church to mobilize people, while Business can take advantage of regulation, or de-regulation at the pivitol moments while Business also relies on the Church frequently to move merchandise while politicians need money from business to run campaigns and cash in on bribes--and so it's a big gigantic 60's era love fest where ideally all benefit, but it takes a broken, scared, apathetic and complacent brainwashed public to go along with it is the general idea of how this construct works...see church and all it's icons are part of this and church goers are being used something silly to say the least in my opinion.) and with the free consent of millions of willing believers? Ah, but I digress.

Seriously not all in the "system" are bad people per se' but I try to avoid voting for the ones who rely on it almost solely. Instead I try to find those who seek improvements to better humankind. During undergrad I took a bunch of poly-scy courses, a ton of history, before finding a different major, and even after graduate school have found it of great interest if not entertaining to study and learn about our leaders. In terms of Hillary, I find her record and background quite impressive to say the least. If you do some research (and not from the GOP, or what Rush Limbaugh, or even your leaders at church dish out) I think you will find as I have, that she has a remarkable record in furthering women's rights around the world, indeed all over the world, and her push for health care reform in this country has been bold and a real step forward albeit unable to defeat the multi-billion dollar establishment of managed care, insurance companies and big pharma...her background all the way from being a Wellesley Girl (where she majored in political science and began as a college Republican before dumping them because of her views regarding civil rights which she worked hard to improve on campus) , to helping bring down the corrupt Nixon administration, to working in law (A Yale Law graduate) to being first lady of the Great State of Arkansas 4 different terms and First Lady of the United States of America for two terms, and her ability to forge ties with other leaders and make friends for us all around the world (you have to realize that the Clinton's were terrific entertainers and guests and have a wonderful reputation around the world...we could use some emotional intelligence these days in repairing our tarnished, if not broken foreign relationships with other's in leadership roles.), and finally serving as a United States Senator for the Great State of New York. Anyway, do some research, and if you turn up anything definitive, that without a doubt implicates her in proven corruption, let's hear it. Remember Star & Right Winger-vill et.al. spent more investigating the Clinton's than we have the 911 attacks, and I think we all know what they finally were able to prove. Millions and millions of dollars spent, and that's what we got for our money. So please sir, you already said she was corrupt, so tell us, tell me how, because I would like to know, in fact your side would like to know these facts, so let's hear them.

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I saw a totally biased hit piece on Fox news with regards to the recount effort. They ridiculed Kucinich and then claimed that of course it will just affirm Hillary's win and that it was just a waste of money. They were extremely shrill and strident in their dislike of the recount effort. Hmmm.

My next question is how do they plan on fixing the recount? Who's observing the process? How can they verify it?

I wish it were easy to stay on top of the recount efforts. It's so important to make sure that we don't get screwed again. Man, it makes me sick. Media just doesn't care. American Gladiators is on...

The solution to rigged or slashed ballot boxes, fraud allegations and recounts is blatanyly simple...have armed members of the Iraqi police guard each ballot box during every stage of the process to ensure a full and fair process in the formation of a democratic US government...

...oooh, the irony