Bob Lazar debunked for good !

Originally posted by DimensionalDetective

I'm one of the few left who believes Lazar's story. I think he did what he said he did, and Big Brother ran a successful campaign to make him look like he wasn't legit. Of course, getting linked to hookers didn't help though.

Actually, I'm with you on this one also. Ufology has it's fair share of charlatans (Burisch), blind champions (Bill Ryan) and nut jobs (Mier & Icke) but one person who has remained constant is Lazar. Not only does he remain constant & consistent with his story (mostly!), but his present day line of work is more consistent with his story than people realise. I'm not saying it proves he worked on alien vehicles. But in comparison with 99% of the public stories we've had on ATS over the years, there is something cosiderably more compelling about Lazar.

I only wish he has some hard data to back it up - as without that, if we're being honest, he only has one of the best stories.

**Spelling, punctuation & grammar may well be terrible - just back from the pub!


[edit on 5-1-2008 by timb3r]

I'm not sure about lazar..He does interest me though..


There was an article published on americanantigravity where one of their experts was in contact with bob.. Whoever bob lazar is he certainly knows his stuff:

"The concept of enhancing ion-wind thrust by changing atmospheric conductivity is a pretty rarified subject – I’d discussed this with 7 or 8 PhD physicists that I knew, and none of them had any helpful suggestions about it. Bob, however, had several – including a personal experience involving focusing-down a carbon-dioxide laser to create a narrow beam capable of ionizing an air-channel."

"At the time, I’d been considering laser photo-ionization with a high-frequency excimer (UV) laser, not a low-frequency CO2 (IR) laser, and was stunned by his announcement that the not only could the lower-frequency work, but that in fact he’d tested this himself a while back and seen sparks jumping around in mid-air within a region of plasmified air. After a few days of research and several calls to laser-specialists, I found out that Bob was indeed correct – and realized that not only did he sound intelligent, but that he had a solid foundation in both theoretical & experimental knowledge to draw from."

"Lazar had another idea as well – again, a real stunner: I’d been talking to him about the corona-wire in Lifters early on, and he mentioned to me the idea of putting a nuclear material on the corona-wire to increase thrust. Most people would have dismissed this as a silly notion, but Lazar drove the point home by discussing an experiment in which nuclear-materials in a high-voltage environment gave off a massive excess of electrons, thereby becoming a nuclear battery of sorts. It’s not free energy, but more like a transistor for ion-wind: a small voltage on the corona-wire excites the nuclear decay process, and serves as something like a “control voltage” for a much larger flow of stimulated-decay electrons that emerge from the uranium coating on the corona wire."

"For me, this suggestion of his was the indicator of real genius, because I’d been working on a story about stimulated beta-decay batteries that I hadn’t told him about, and everything he’d described fit perfectly with the research of Michael McDonnough, Dr. Paul Brown, and a few other innovators doing obscure work in this area. Very real research, and because it was on the fringe, none of it was in textbooks. Not only did Lazar know about this phenomenon, but he was talking about cross-pollinating Biefeld-Brown plasma-physics with stimulated beta-decay nuclear physics, which is an idea that had taken us a few months to arrive at. In Bob’s case, it only took a few minutes…"

Link to whole article here: www.americanantigravity.com...

This is well worth a read if you are interested.


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[edit on 1-6-2008 by Springer]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Bob Lazar pretty much break the lid on the whole Area 51 thing?

As far as I know, before Bob told his story about UFO's, super secret & ULTRA super secret bases out in the Nevada desert I would imagine that a hand full of people may have seen the site while hiking in the desert. If they did they probably didn't pay much attention to it. It was just a group of buildings off in the distance shimmering like a mirage in the hot desert sun.

Once Bob told his story it wasn't long until the Government had people camping out on Freedom Ridge with telescopes and cameras and tours were being aranged to the site by people capitalizing on peoples curiosity. The Government's base in the Nevada desert that didn't exist was famous. I bet there's quite a few people who were pretty upset over this.

If Bob was right about Area 51 doesn't that lend some support to his other claims?

As far as those pictures of a Helicopter landing area at the Papoose Lake (S4) Facility. Many people has pointed out that Google Earth isn't going to show any images with of any classified bases. That's very true, but I didn't notice anyone calling the photos of the big P into question. Where did you get them, and why do you think they're connected to the Bob Lazar story?

I don't recall Bob saying anything about a helicopter pad with a big P on it. He said the S4 base was cleverly conceled into the hill side and that the air strip for landing airplanes was camoflaged. I think he said they sprayed water on the strip so the pilot could see it. That makes sense to me. In a desert like that the water would be gone in just a few minutes. The airstrip would vanish, and the integrity of the secret base would be maintained.

Don't you think Russia would have seen and wondered about some big P with a circle around it in the middle of nowhere? If Area 51 doesn't exist and they have the largest airstrip in the World. Why would they call any attention to the facility where the really really cool stuff is being studied?

[edit on 5-1-2008 by LazyGuy]

Google earth images take time to load who's to say that in the time you went to look someone hadnt gone out there with a tin of paint.

I am sceptical of anyone who has a book signing deal to talk about his alien experiances!

reply to post by DimensionalDetective

I too, believe in Bob Lazar, and I would further support him by stating that any connections he may have had with 'Hookers' is utterly irrelevant to his statements, knowledge of physics, and integrity.
In fact, 'hookers' are people too, and as 'business people', they are basically honest, what you see is what you get. Just how many politicians, and industrialists can you say that about?
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reply to post by Grinder

Originally posted by Grinder
Bob Lazar debunked for good !
I have been waiting for this for a long time !

Hi Grinder, sorry to say, but I am afraid that you must wait a bit longer, because this proof of yours, proofs in my opinion not your claim on Lazar.

Originally posted by Grinder
I have read Lazar`s stories and element 115...

Well, maybe this is interesting for you?
Bob Lazar has claimed a few years ago about the existence of element 115 and that he had once some of it in his possession.

Mr. Stanton Friedman says the following on his site, www.stantonfriedman.com...

There is no evidence that any 115 has been created anywhere.

Well, if I am correct, their is evidence now of created element 115, as far as I understand and read en.wikipedia.org...

Correct me if a am wrong.

It is only an amount of a few atoms, but it is a start.

Chemical properties
For now element 115 has only been manufactured in the amount of a few atoms, so the chemistry of element 115 has yet to be researched,

[edit] In popular culture
Ununpentium has been theorized to be inside the island of stability. This probably explains why it was mentioned regularly in popular culture, especially in UFO conspiracy theories. The most popular account of element 115, from Bob Lazar, would require changes to a great many existing theories.

Why Bob Lazar revealed this story in the first place?
What was his real motives?
Did he had to gain something out of all this?

That are the real hard questions that they have to be answered.

[edit on 6-1-2008 by skeptical2012]

Originally posted by skeptical2012
Why Bob Lazar revealed this story in the first place?
What was his real motives?
Did he had to gain something out of all this?

That are the real hard questions that they have to be answered.

[edit on 6-1-2008 by skeptical2012]

Lazar answered this question in one of his interviews :

He was afraid that the government would do something to him.

The savest thing to do was to bring it all in the open. He was succesfull in that effort.

I am a fan of Bob Lazar. Just because his name doesn't come up on college records everyone wants to debunk him? Wouldn't you think that the government could erase any type of records on him just so he could look like a loon? We shouldn't throw him off as a fake especially when he has more proof to back his claims then any of us has to "debunk" him.

reply to post by NewWorldOver


Bob Lazar was and is telling the truth.
He is leaving a few truths out because he is a controlled leak not a
defector.
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reply to post by lazer1


Have you checked out Bob Lazars company United Nuclear?
Great science equipment and Periodic Table.

Originally posted by spacevisitor

Bob Lazar has claimed a few years ago about the existence of element 115 and that he had once some of it in his possession.

He had 3 pieces each about 2 inches long in the shape of an arrowhead. They were what was placed in the anti-matter reactor to power the saucers.

The government stole 2 of the pieces back and there is still one piece which is hidden in Las Vegas.

Well, if I am correct, their is evidence now of created element 115, as far as I understand and read en.wikipedia.org...

Correct me if I am wrong.

It is only an amount of a few atoms, but it is a start.

The government did not synthesize Element 115.

And the reason is the impossibility with the resources we have on earth to synthesize that naturally occurring element, simply because of the fact of how much time it would take even to make a few atoms of it.

Naturally occurring element 115 could only be found in a solar system much, much larger than ours. The 2 main factors which determine the residual matter that remains after the creation of that solar system is the amount of electromagnetic energy and the amount of mass present at the time of the creation of that solar system. A much larger solar system than the one earth is in would have had to have been created to have element 115 occurring as a natural element.

In popular culture Ununpentium has been theorized to be inside the island of stability. This probably explains why it was mentioned regularly in popular culture, especially in UFO conspiracy theories. The most popular account of element 115, from Bob Lazar, would require changes to a great many existing theories.

The statement that the existence of Element 115 would require 'changes to great many existing theories' is incorrect.

The statement should read "the existence of Element 115 would require changes to a great many scientific minds."

As I understand it Bob Lazar and his late first wife Carol owned a Legal Brothel in Northern Nevada in the early 80's. So, yes Bob knew about the Brothel business. A Hooker asked Bob to help her with her Brothel business in Las Vegas...with consultation, computer programing, security ect.... Evidently this woman fell in love with Bob. This was only about business to Bob and nothing else. When he told her she was only a (1) on a scale of 1-10 in sexual attractiveness to him. The woman felt scorned and implicated Bob, as being much more involved than he actually was. Brothels in Northern Nevada and Nye county are legal. Running one in Las Vegas is not legal.

I believe Bob Lazar's story and the OP's post doesn't prove Anything! Bob has received the Shaft all the way around. George Knapp is the only reporter I believe that has given Bob a Fair shake. As much as I respect Stanton Friedman I disagree with him on this case. Could someone please show me where Bob made Really Big Bucks on his story? I've been in Nye county a long time and have witnessed strange flying objects over Area 51.



[edit on 1/6/2008 by MountainStar]

reply to post by johnlear


John,

Platinum is about $1,500 an ounce right now.
How much is an ounce of Element 115?
I'm guessing the U.S. Government would call Element 115
Unobtainium.
BTW Bob Lazar has his website back up and running with NEW
information.
www.boblazar.com...

I have been on the fence as far a BL is concerned, not so much whether he's making it all up or not , but what is/was his real role.
Almost 20 years ago he was talking about things that were science fiction, back then, that have come to fruition, but are still on the experimental cuting edge.
He said that Element 115 would be found stable a certain proton # and sure enough, some 20 years later we are on the verge of being able to mfg a stable isotope of 115.
I never really doubted his knowledge base, but I have had questions as to motive.

And to learn that he is working at Los Alamos, intrigues me. It testifies to secure background, not just anybody can get a job there. And the criteria for being deemed a security risk have tightened greatly in the last few years.

Now I have a big question, why would a National Laboratory, that deals with some of the most sensative technologies, have a known leaker of sensative information in their employ.



Unless he didnt really "leak" anything at all but was more of a front man for a organized effort to release some info in small amounts to the general public. But Why?, Maybe there are more than one faction at work in the "secret bureaucracy" and he was a front man for a failed attempt to bring such things to the light of day.

I consider myself a fairly good judge of character and genuosity. I typically know when someone is making water and tell me that it's raining.
His spots on c2c were among some of my favorites. The pseudo living craft was one of the most compelling. If we have had astronauts document a tripoded craft landing during filming of rocket tests, (I think V2?) who have so much more to lose, I believe his accounts are totally within the realm of possiblility. IMHO of course.

reply to post by johnlear


Hi Mr. Lear, thanks for your interesting reply.

reply to post by punkinworks


Punkinworks,

Bob had United Nuclear running before the S4 story.
You can review Bobs timeline here at his company in New Mexico.
www.unitednuclear.com...

Originally posted by johnlear
Originally posted by spacevisitor

Bob Lazar has claimed a few years ago about the existence of element 115 and that he had once some of it in his possession.

He had 3 pieces each about 2 inches long in the shape of an arrowhead. They were what was placed in the anti-matter reactor to power the saucers.

The government stole 2 of the pieces back and there is still one piece which is hidden in Las Vegas.

Hi Mr. Lear,

I am probably one of the few who actually believe the Lazar story. The thing that has really done it for me all these years is his consistency. However, your comment above is not consistent with what I have read about Lazar and you. Previously, whenever asked about the stolen E115, Bob's (and yours) response was always "No comment". Listen, I understand if you really did have some E115, you wouldnt post on the internet saying you do - I get it. But, why divulge that you have it now and let people know it's hidden in Vegas?

Oh, and excuse my manners...This is my first post on this site. I love reading the material here. Hello to all!

Originally posted by xburnoutz

Previously, whenever asked about the stolen E115, Bob's (and yours) response was always "No comment". Listen, I understand if you really did have some E115, you wouldnt post on the internet saying you do - I get it. But, why divulge that you have it now and let people know it's hidden in Vegas?

Oh, and excuse my manners...This is my first post on this site. I love reading the material here. Hello to all!

Thanks for the post xburnoutz. There have been at least 5 different Lazar thread on ATS.

I believe I have been pretty consistent about the disposition of the 3 pieces of Element 115. And I stand by what I said in this thread.

If you can show me the post where I said "no comment" I would appreciate it. If it exists I will probably be able to tell you under what circumstances I said that.

Thanks for the post.