Concering page 4...your reply to me..
Eve being punnished in the garden by Travail. You replied with"
So the grandma, taken-in by the MLM, goes to jail if she convinces grandpa.
Most of the time non believers and even some believers and preachers use the argument or implication that this condition is not "fair." God is
unfair. There is a subtilty that Eve deserved better. Taken to its logical conclusion people as a whole deserve more and better...Im ok ,your ok so to
speak. You can see this clearly in videos like Richard Dawkins. This passes for intellect?? Logic and reason. Not!!
Read the text..it is obvious that Adam did not know he was naked till he ate the fruit offered up by Eve. Nonetheless the charge was made to Adam not
Eve. The both got punnished. Neither was she to eat the fruit. So often these details are overlooked when unbelievers are preaching "victimhood."
Makes me wonder, in todays logical social structure, if so many are looking to get "makeovers" for Eve. On the other hand...I dont see many
preachers or men of the cloth mentioning this aspect of what is written. What are these preachers teaching to their flocks??
"Unfair and a I'm a victim" Very standard dogmas today. Combined with I deserve better.
What Christians know is that they dont deserve better. Im not ok , your not either. That pretty much levels the playing field. In our humanity we do
tend to love our level playing fields. It is just that if we can often think them through ..they dont make good nonsense...though they originally
appear logical and reaonable.
Believers look to the Mercy, Understanding, and Wisdom of God in this for guidance..not to the logic and reason of men. This is sometimes called
Grace and Truth.
If I want to learn the dogma of "Unfair or "I'm a victim" I will worship at the other altar of logic and reason..today...the Television. Failing
that I will listen to how the political candidates will get us off the "hook" on the other devout religious doctrine so popular today...complete
with priesthood. I speak of course of the body politic.
By the way ..as I am so often fond of declaring..these politicians pay for and finance public education. Makes me wonder what religion they are
preaching from the classroom and how far their priesthood extends.
Follow the track of what I am saying ..it is logical and reasonable.
Also the serpent was cursed ..on their belly for the seduction/misdirection caused.
Opens the can o' worms whether the Serpent was Satan. If the serpent is punished, must not have been Satan.
This should be self explainatory in view of what I stated above about Adam and Eve.
The serpent counterfitted what God had instructed to Adam.
"For god doth know that in the day thou eatest of the fruit , you shall be as gods knowing good and evil.
Before this the serpent had said.."Ye shall not surely die"
These are counterfit doctrines to the instructions given to Adam and so charged.
One of the names given to Satan/Lucifer is the counterfitter. You should already know this.
Once again..I can tell this footprint or fingerprint in many things around me by remembering what a counterfit or counterfit doctrine is. It simplifys
alot of things at election time around here. Also in public education.
Sorry Columbus..but you keep putting up propositions and logic and reason which are not good nonsense to believers who know the fingerprint. The
implication that this is not fair and that Eve and the serpent were "victims" does not hold water.
Watch this substitution or counterfit closely from page 4
The core tenet of Christianity is Salvation and the basis of Salvation (the root) is Original Sin.
Backwards once again Columbus. The basis of Salvation is Blood..not any blood...but His Blood..are we covered in the Blood. Once again knowlegable
Christians know this. How did you substitute original sin in the place of His Blood? I can see why you had/have problem with the church you attended.
So would I. You might want to see if you are sufficiently salty....or merely sugary...attempting to pass to believers as salt. Obviously intellect
here is not salt. But it can be a counterfit.
You do know Columbus ..one of His names among believers is Salvation...among many names. When we speak of the "Prescious Blood" we are speaking of
Him...correct??? You also know that He is called " The root of Jesse." This has implications all the way back to Adam. Knowlegable Christians know
this too. The root is very telling to those knowlegable and Salty.
I think you need some practice before you take this tack with some Christians out here. I am surprised that to this point many on this board did not
catch it. Perhapsed this confirms some of my point about what many preachers are feeding their flocks. In this I think you have valid point as does at
Continuing on.... I have not bothered to watch the Passion of the Christ.
I am not planning on watching the Golden Compass any time soon. Ive seen this fingerprint many times in movies and video....substitution. The Seventh
Sign with Demi Moore was textbook and the first time I caught on to this phenomonon in Hollywood.
Some of this is very subtily done ,some very open. The Seventh Sign is a feel good movie. If you are caught up in the feel good emotions of the movie
you will miss it. My take on The Passsion of the Christ is the same thing ..you get overly emotional and miss much in the movie.
Witness or hearsay? Truth is independent of personal experience. It is really the origin of truth that concerns us. With you it is
authority, but this is a fallacy.
This is a very strange statement coming from a person of such logic and reason ...such as yourself. History is replete with examples of truth and
authoritarianism. Even non Christian history. The entire history of men is replete with feudal authoritarian examples recorded over and over. It is
the fruit produced by this authoritarianism which concerns Believers. We are to be " fruit" inspectors. There are lots of authority out here among
men..but in inspecting the fruit...the Believer properly trained is able to detect counterfits around them.
You do not seem wont to describe authority in these terms. By this I mean inspecting fruit. Why is that Columbus?? I am curious about this.
It is my opinion that many on this board have forgotten or overlooked the concept of "inspecting fruit" in thier replys.
It is possible to do this and still maintain civility and decorum.
I could describe the feudal system in terms of counterfit and Truth but I will leave it there for now.
on another tack from your last post:
I dont know who posted this line...
"I've studied a little about the trees actually being angels, the tree of knowledge of good and evil being the devil, and the 'eating' being
[quotet]Yet another example of Christian prejudice against sexuality and knowledge. Two birds with one stone. It must be a very popular bit of
The prejudice against sexuality among Christians ..though many no longer know of this history due to public education or lack of education...is that
Christians are never to describe themselves in terms of their sexuality. ...ever. They are to describe themselves in terms of the God living in
The prejudice "for " sexuality has origins in pagan customs and traditions. so does the logic and reason of men. They go hand in hand. Historically
speaking , whenever men want to describe their greatness, logic, and reason they must return to their sexual roots...men can do no better.
Most of the so called great civilizations were openly sexual..particularly around the festival and holy days. This is known history for those who want
to investigate this phenomonon. It is just not often a concept wont to be taught in schools next to the significance of it.
Even the wildest and most primitive animals out here have sexuality. This is obvious. For men to describe who and what they are in terms of thier
sexuality is declaring that men are mere wild animals. This is panthiesm...nature worship.
Human beings are so much more than mere sexuality. To have sexuality to hold up as a banner of excellence by any human is a declaration of stupidity.
This puts the stupid label on many college professors of letters when using this to glorify humanity.
I am not saying that humans dont have sex or sexuality. Not at all. I am saying that humans are so much more than sexuality. Humans do not define
themselves by thier sexuality..ever. It is stupid to do so. But it is very popular to day ..is it not?? Watch for this fingerprint in our whorish
media who use so many variations of sex and sexuality to sell thier junk to the unawares and uneducated. You will begin to understand why it is
necessary to be dumbed down and keep the Bible out of public education. You might be able to catch on to this drug and tell them off...much worse get
of this treadmill...cut the cord. They will literally be naked. Every pun intended here.
This view needs to be declared to people/humans who do not know or have never heard this explaination.
Columbus...Your point in your quote is a counterfit of what history records. Also a counterfit to good logic and reason...but it is sophistry that
you are wont to imprint on others.
My thanks to all for thier posts,
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