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Originally posted by jon1
you never cease to amaze me Columbus.
A Christian comes on full of compassion for you and all's you can do is talk down to him and say he is blubbering.
you are not a very good ambassador for your cause are you.
You never have answers to anything that people put to you.
You just take the easy way out by trying a bit of verbal bullying on them.
All of your arguments that i have seen are so shallow that iv'e not even got my feet wet yet.
How is Adam guilty?
There, now tell me I have no answers.
C
Originally posted by orangetom1999
You have no answers..Columbus
She was to suffer travail as a result.
Also the serpent was cursed ..on their belly for the seduction/misdirection caused.
Since you have missed these concepts I will not bother with the answer to your first question to Jon1 concerning your sig.
Oh really, so what's your answer to my SIG:
How can God-Jesus truly experience the fear of annihilation in death? And please don't tell me he just can.
How is Adam guilty?
There, now tell me I have no answers.
As a former Christian, I know that compassion is a hook. By all means, lets all hug and get along. But don't pretend blubbering has answered anything I've put forth because it hasn't.
Don't expect change to start with me. If you look at my posts in other threads, I'm as kind and decent as I'm treated.
I know sooner or later, since you can't admit ignorance or wrong you are just going to ignore me, as ignorant and cowardly as that is, I'm just calling it like it is. Don't pretend like you're going to stand up to me. I want to know you've got the brass to admit when you don't know or are wrong.
Originally posted by TheDuckster
I read your standpoint regarding 'God' as being non-existant, then why the 'apologies' (at the end of that sentence) towards God-Jesus - towards an entity or something that doesn't exist? It's not logical. If it meant as 'sacrasm', why waste your breath with negativeness to get your point across? Would this be indigative of all your future postings? Sarcasm? Why waste your time with words such as these, when you can put your communication skills to good use otherwise.
Therefore, we must also take responsibility for the actions that we chose. We can't go through life pointing the finger of blame at every turn. If any opportunity arises, whereby we must eat that 'proverbial apple' from time to time, then consequences will follow. Whether we foresee it or not.
"I'm not mean, I'm firm. It's a leadership quality."
...positive and construction manner.
I would like to see Madness' thread go back on track with a bit more civility to each other.
Originally posted by jon1
What do you mean that compassion is a hook?
Compassion is what we should all have for each other and as a former Christian (so you say) you should know better. in fact i will go as far as to say that you thought you were a Christian. Because if you truly were you would have met Christ and therefor you cannot now deny him.
This word blubbering that you keep coming out with.
Check back to the post by ReginaAdonnaAaron on page three, then think of the above statement. doesn't quite ring true does it?
I don't know.
When i get to heaven first stop is the information desk for some answers because i have far more questions than answers, believe me.
If i am wrong on something that i have said, i will admit it. no problem.
As for ignoring you or not standing up to you. YOU WISH.
...we will never see eye to eye and we just have to accept that.
Originally posted by ReginaAdonnaAaron
..."blubbering", I still pray for Columbus...
It's not a "hook", just compassion - for some reason my heart goes out to these people.
I should probably be hurt or angry or offended but I'm not. I can't explain why, it's just how I feel.
The "God-Jesus" and "how can God die" thing that Columbus has referred to. That is a very valid question. I had the same question too. That's why I left the Catholic church at the age of 18, because no explination I was given made any sense. I did not recognize it as truth.
It did not make sense to me when I compared it to the Scriptures that tell of Jesus praying to the Father (why would he pray to Himself?) and talking about how He was doing His Father's work and calling out to His Father on the cross, just to name a few.
The trinity is a tactic of Satan in the Spiritual War to rob Christ of His glory and further confuse and mislead more of mankind from the truth. ...
...The Way...
It's the condition of the heart and a belief in Christ Jesus as Lord and Savior that gives an opportunity of Eternal Life. That's it. The choice is yours to make.
This is a clinical process. It's designed for "born again" Christians only. The core tenet of Christianity is Salvation and the basis of Salvation (the root) is Original Sin. The question of the existence of God is relevant but not practical in this process (one step at a time), so for the sake of argument, assuming God did exist, could He make any form of genuine Sacrifice?
There are two sorts of immortality here. God of course would be totally immortal in principle, but Adam and Eve theoretically could have lived "forever" in Eden were it not for Original Sin, yet this "forever" is not the same immortality that God has, as it could be taken away.
God would be genuinely immortal and can't possibly experience annihilation. There is no threat, nothing to fear, no risk, no gamble, nothing at stake. Salvation was bought with literally nothing.
Now, understanding all this, what makes Christians think they're getting the real deal? The logical outcome is a return to Eden, a dependence on "oranges" and the persistent threat of all this happening all over again. Christians would be forced to agree that glorification will not make them like God and that is what this implies.
I tell Christians that I was like them, but it is necessary for them, in continuing to maintain their faith that I am wrong, even though I am speaking of myself. I am continuously accused of being a liar.
Originally posted by Clearskies
...Sucked into emotional worship without deep roots.
Originally posted by Clearskies
Jesus died in the flesh(in a very grisly fashion).
Being part of the Trinity.
He did not go to hell for eternity so that we would not.
Why were Adam and Eve driven out of the garden by angels wielding flaming swords?
It was because if they had eaten of the tree of life, they WOULD have lived FOREVER!
A sinless God dying under the penalty of EVERY sin.
With his beard ripped out and the scourging of cat'o'nine tails.
Jeshua's precious BLOOD was paid!
Dependence on 'oranges'?
We will eat of the tree of life.
I think you were involved in a 'charismatic', 'neo-pentacostal' church or something.
Sucked into emotional worship without deep roots.
Originally posted by Columbus
Jeshua's precious BLOOD was paid!
There is something really sick about a God that thirsts for blood. Vampire?
The passion play is nothing but a classic mind control technique. The grisliness of it is crucial to the buy-in. If Jesus had been shot in the temple with a 9mm, you wouldn't feel for him or buy into the whole emotional investment of this worthless pyramid scheme.
Meaning what?
God didn't make a Sacrifice so we would not. Nonsense.
Yes, but isn't God's form of immortality independent of the orange, unlike Adam and Eve? Because Adam and Eve COULD die, their immortality was NOT genuine.
Maybe a football analogy will help. Breaking the rules (sin) results in yards lost (penalties, death). One team is man, the other God. God by definition can't break the rules (sin) or lose (die), so the game is unfair (rigged), but He chooses to accept one big penalty for "all" (not really all) man's penalties. But guess what, God gets all the yards He lost to His One Penalty given back to Him. That's what the Resurrection is to football. Plus, man still loses (death still exists, man still dies, some men still go to Hell) so not all men (really none) are actually covered by His One Penalty.
There is something really sick about a God that thirsts for blood. Vampire?
apple=fruit of the tree of knowledge
orange=fruit of the tree of life
Everyone knows about the apple. No one knows about the orange. That's gotta change. So, you'll be dependent on oranges and if for whatever reason you don't get them, you'll face death again. You're not really immortal like God who needs no oranges.
Nope. Good try. My church considered those churches to be cults.
Spoken like someone who doesn't know what's happened to himself.
Originally posted by Columbus
Don't pretend like you're going to stand up to me. I want to know you've got the brass to admit when you don't know or are wrong.
Originally posted by MajorMalfunction
We have nothing to apologize for, we have nothing we need to justify. We've broken the chains of superstition that have held our species captive for at least 20,000 years, and it's something to be proud of.