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Originally posted by NGC2736
Very interesting indeed. I will be following this.
internos, perhaps you should consider putting together an article on this for ATS Premium. I don't think a good piece on UFOs has come up yet, so it would be a change of pace.
Originally posted by amongus
I always thought this woodcarving showed a classic black triangle craft. Its the famous Hans Glaser woodcarving from Nuremburg, Germany in 1561.
I realize its not exactly triangle, more spear-like. . but its close enough for me.
Also, notice how one of the ufo photos from an earlier post in this thread looks JUST LIKE the Nuremburg UFO event. . interesting to say the least.
Originally posted by Palasheea
A long way.. my foot!
As it was back then and AS IT IS NOW... hell will freeze over before we get the REAL scoop from our governments on who's manufacturing and flying these triangles.
And guess what exalted symbol is seen over the Oval Offices' door?? Yep, you guessed it -- The Fasces! Musollini's symbol of Italian Fascism! (only the axe at the top instead on the side)
[edit on 10-12-2007 by Palasheea]
Originally posted by mandalorianwarrior1
This was also a Roman symbol/device, not like Musollini created it and the U.S. used it based off of him alone.
The Germans were also starting to break many air speed records during the 1930's. The Italians were known for some fine aircraft at the time, but they were not known as the best. Maybe a few counted them as tops in the early 30's, but that didn't last for long. If they were to have taken a UFO and reverse engineer it I doubt they would have been passed by so many other countries during the mid to late 1930's in terms of aircraft technology. They may have been forced to give some of this technology to Germany, one never knows. Maybe they were strong armed or maybe some of the Italians who had info on these crafts were more loyal for whatever reason to Nazi party members? You bring us to an interesting line of thought with this. This could be the beginning of Nazi UFO's for all we know. This is a nice thread you've started and I'll keep an eye on it. I'm not sure any of us know where it may lead.
Originally posted by FireMoon
My first UFO sighting was in 1971 and it was trianglular shaped object that split into two and then reformed it's original shape. UFOs came in all shapes and sizes , classic saucer, barbel, Ice cream cone, cigar, bent pipe etc etc... I miss the days when every year there would be a couple of books published that just added sightings to the pantheon, without some author claiming to *know* the truth..
Originally posted by Palasheea
So this would mean that the first UFO flap may have occurred in your country a good many years before there were any significant sightings here in the US.
Originally posted by triplesod
reply to post by internos
Great post, as always Internos!
Just one thing and I'm sure you are already aware, Il Duce means The Leader but I think you were just telling people that when they read "Il Duce", the writer means Mussolini.
In fact, didn't you say you were Italian? Of course you will already know this then.
P.s. Thanks for that private message a couple of weeks back. I tried to reply a few times but messaging wasn't working. I will try it again. Coincidentally, I was just about to click on U2U to send you a message when I saw you had already sent me one.
Originally posted by internos
Telegram # 1
Image source: Italian National UFO center
Italy's Fascist UFO Files
Antonio Huneeus examines Italy’s Fascist UFO Files. These files were originally delivered in the mid-nineties to famed Italian ufologist and author Roberto Pinotti, and sent on stationary bearing the seal of the Kingdom’s Senate and Agenza Stefani, the regime news agency in charge of disseminating Fascist propaganda. Forensic analysis was done on the documents and they were found to be originals and not photocopies. Andrea Bedetti, a historian and expert on Italy’s Fascist era, found that the stationary, aeronautical terminology, and vocabulary were all consistent with real documents from the period.
These documents contained written testimony describing in detail several sightings along with hand-drawn pictures. It also discloses that Mussolini and Ciano, Italy’s number one and number two leaders, were informed right away about the phenomenon. These documents also talk of the alleged creation of the top secret “Cabinet RS/33,” led by Marconi, and included some of Italy’s most prominent astronomers, scientists, and aeronautical engineers. As things went sour for Italy during the war, all the files from Cabinet RS/33 were supposedly shipped to Nazi Germany, where they might have influenced the Italian aeronautical engineer Belluzzo.