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reply posted on 23-10-2007 @ 10:58 PM by roadgravel
reply to post by johnlear
It's tomorrow that the ISS and Shuttle will be close when they pass over here. They were not together tonight.


reply posted on 24-10-2007 @ 12:53 AM by jra
Originally posted by laserman-x
Maybe because I am unsure of the procedure but doesnt common sense tell you that if Nasa waits on this golden window that this would be the best time for the shuttle to meet the ISS as two vectors coming to an almost point at the proper orbital distance?

This of course would save time and money. If so why is the shuttle so far away from the ISS?


Yes, they have to wait till the orbital path that the ISS follows is over the Shuttles launch site, but that doesn't mean that the ISS itself is over the launch site, it could be on the other side of the planet at the time of launch. Also the Shuttle only travels a little bit faster than the ISS, so that really adds to the time it takes for them to dock.

It's always been like this, even when the Shuttle went to Mir.

liftoff.msfc.nasa.gov...

Why does it take a day or two after launch for the Shuttle-Mir rendezvous to take place?

Once the Space Shuttle launches into the same orbital plane as Mir it still has the complicated task of getting to the same spot in space at the same time as Mir. What we do is launch into an orbit in the same plane as Mir but with a lower altitude above the Earth. This means that the Shuttle circles the Earth faster and thus catches up with Mir. This is done with a carefully planned series of maneuvers, slowly closing in on Mir's angular position around the Earth while slowly closing in on Mir's altitude as well. The slowness is important. It helps ensure the safety of the two vehicles as they approach each other, while it gives people and navigation systems time to evaluate progress and devise the exact next move, every step of the way.



reply posted on 24-10-2007 @ 02:20 AM by defcon5
reply to post by TKainZero



Just because someone worked for NASA does not make them a space shuttle expert, you're being too hard on your professor. There are lots of other NASA programs that have nothing to do with shuttle ops, and obviously that is what he worked in. I would have to guess that he worked in an astronomy program of some type.

As to why it takes so long, JRA gave the correct answer, and you can check in the other Secret Space station thread that I gave almost the exact same answer. In case you do not understand what that answer means I’ll try and clarify it some.

When you place an object in orbit the faster it moves the further out form the planet it’s orbit ends up being. So they insert the shuttle to be in an orbit that is lower and slightly faster then the ISS, while being on the exact same trajectory. Time allows the shuttle to slowly creep up on the station and slowly gain orbit altitude to the same level as the station. Its done this way intentionally as these objects do not maneuver like objects in movies do, and each step has to be done very slowly, and precisely because any collision between them could be deadly for both the ISS and the shuttle. So for instance if the shuttle slowed down too much, its altitude would drop below the space station and it would miss its target, if it went to fast it would overshoot to a higher orbit. They cannot just apply the breaks if they are coming in too fast, or turn around and try again if they miss. If they miss they can try and hit it on the next orbit that brings the two into close enough contact, which may be 200 orbits later. This is why they could not take the Columbia back up to the space station like folks thought they should, when they realized it was damaged.

This stuff from John and Zargon is not factual, its full of holes, and mostly based on speculation, you should enjoy the read, but take it for what it is and with a grain of salt. I mean a page ago they did not even realize that a spacecraft has to vent heat through heat dissipation radiators.


[edit on 10/24/2007 by defcon5]


reply posted on 24-10-2007 @ 04:04 AM by Copernicus
reply to post by defcon5



Its almost funny to find you in all these threads, discrediting what people see and hear... if you arent a disinfo agent, you should actually apply because you're working for free here...
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