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Dutch Bishop Tells Christians to Call God 'Allah'

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posted on Aug, 19 2007 @ 10:20 PM
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Originally posted by Leyla
Do you not know the history of Arabic? I'm sure you and Bodrul would know it better then me, since I'm not Arabic.


Let me give you some information that will better help with your understanding with the word "Allah."

www.abovetopsecret.com...

So after reading that, you would know that "AL" means "The", and "Lah" means "God." Since Arabic has no capital letters, inorder to change the lowercase equivalent of "god" to the singular word "God," the word "illah" was given the word "the" to make it "ALLah" (The God).

Now since the word "illah" has always meant "god" in Arabic, why wouldn't pre-Islamic arabs use it to call their idols and dieties "god"? If people who speak English and German call Zues "god" does that mean that the ones that are Christian are worshiping a thunder god, since after all the greek word for "The God" is Zezeus, and that later changed to Jezeus (Jesus)? Even current day Greeks refer to Jesus as "Zezeus Christos."



I ask a question and I get a video as a answer. Regarding Moon cycles...on the Islam thread. Go figure.


www.biblebelievers.org.au...

www.biblebelievers.org.au...


It's funny that you should link a website trying to explain a faith that doesn't belong to theirs. You're confident that they're 100% unbiased against their information? Would they say anything false to keep their followers from really learning about Islam and not leaving their own faith?

If I were to give you a link from a Muslim website explaining the Bible, would you even bother to read it, or would you immediately question its accuracy?



And Stumasion God and Allah are not the same- sure now its used to identify a god in arabic but not the Hebrew God.

Thats all I'm saying case closed.


No, not case closed. See what happens when you close your mind and only want to believe bits of pieces of what you see, without questioning the information? In Hebrew it's Elloh and Ellohim. Translating the words, you will see that it too means "The-God."

[edit on 19-8-2007 by DJMessiah]




posted on Aug, 19 2007 @ 10:37 PM
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Last summer I was ready to accept islam not even knowing what it was.

I do not have a closed mind Dj I ask questions to people I trust. If I don't know something I ask. We can discuss this by u2u if you wish. But I will not be brain washed with false properganda.

The two links I gave you are compelling but perhaps they can be debunked.

Why do most arab countries have the cresent moon on their flags? If you claim you do not worship a moon god?

I want the honest truth- don't present me with mind numbing video's I want to hear it from you.



posted on Aug, 19 2007 @ 10:44 PM
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Thats cute I would have responded to you but ahem got sidetracked again.

Thats how this is turning out... My god is..etc, etc, sighs.



posted on Aug, 19 2007 @ 10:47 PM
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Originally posted by bodrul

Originally posted by xmotex

Pardon me, but I did not see where Bodrul told you to call God Allah, or anything else.





i would like to see her answer that.

had to file a complaint just to get her to stop U2Uing me
bad enough i had to reply to comments like will you kill me
then she barrages my Inbox with Random U2Us,


Thankfully shes on my ignore now
so i dont have to read her comments on the forum

[edit on 19-8-2007 by bodrul]


What? Excuse me? You mean her IMing you once and then replying about 3 or 4 times? You said she barraged you with U2Us.

And all you do when questioned about your faith is reply with a video. She and I want to hear it from you yourself.



posted on Aug, 19 2007 @ 11:29 PM
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And a Christian doesn't have the potential to become an extremist when they take the Bible to heart? Whats your point?

Only if they misinterpret or just to ignore parts of the Bible. Nowhere is a Christian told to kill someone who will not believe. Islam cannot say the same.


If one would just look at the Bible it shows us that Adam and Eve were the very first Jews created in a world already populated by mankind.

What?? I think you need to reread that. Adam was formed from the dust of the earth and eve from his rib. Noone else existed yet, they were the first.

The Bible also tells us that the coming kingdom of the Anti-Christ will be an Islamic kingdom.

You'll have to point that one out. I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but, I know of no scripture that says it will be Islamic.

Actually, the Gospel according to Judas (look it up) is reputed to say that Jesus asked Judas to betray him. Jesus was the last of the Biblical prophets, but that's because the bible doesn't mention Mohammed. Islam accepts that there are 6 prophets, why can't Christianity? Tolerance again?

There is one God, it doesn't matter which prophet you choose to follow. If the Antichrist does come, it'll be the intolerant that are judged, no-one else.

First of all the book of Judas is not reputable. It does not have the long term support of the accepted scriptures. Jesus did no such thing. He only told him to do quickly what he(judas) had already decided to do. The reason those so called prophets are not mentioned is because they donot represent the Christian faith. The Biblical writings were ended when the disciples either died or in most cases were killed. Everything God knew man needed to know of Himself and his plans are contained in what is today the Bible. He leaves it to you as an individual to accept or deny what is written therein.
Tolerance today is politically correct speech for situational ethics. If you can rationalize it then it can't be wrong. The Bible teaches morals, ethics and yes right and wrong. There are moral absolutes in this life. To deny the absolutes one claims to believe in would be lieing and therefor immoral.
My God is not the same one those who follow Islam claim. And I will never call my God, ALLAH.



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posted on Aug, 20 2007 @ 12:32 AM
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Originally posted by truthinadvertising
Nowhere is a Christian told to kill someone who will not believe. Islam cannot say the same.


The Quran does not order Muslims to kill people who do not believe. When you read the part before "kill the disbelievers" you will see that it's a passage that refers to the pagans who were attacking Muhammad and the Muslims. Muhammad asked Gabriel to ask God if it was permissible to fight against them. God then told the Muslims that they could defend themselves and fight, so as long as they're not the offenders and that they give peace if the enemy asks for peace.

Now about the Bible not telling people to kill others. Whatever happened to those darn Midianite women, you never hear about them in the news anymore, or how about the people in Moses' tribe that were worshiping the golden calf?





[edit on 20-8-2007 by DJMessiah]



posted on Aug, 20 2007 @ 12:36 AM
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I stopped reading here:


Originally posted by Gools
edit: the only reason this made the news is not because anybody will take this guy seriously, it's because it is yet more ammunition in the quest to divide people on religious grounds. i.e. muslim v. christian sensibilities akin to left v right ect...


Dude, there are times when we are so on the same wave length.

BINGO!



posted on Aug, 20 2007 @ 12:51 AM
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Originally posted by Leyla
Last summer I was ready to accept islam not even knowing what it was.


You can only accept Islam if you have a belief in one God and accept all of his prophets. Anyone who told you you could accept without even knowing what Islam is had either been lying to you or trying to get you to do something against your will.


I do not have a closed mind Dj I ask questions to people I trust. If I don't know something I ask.


Would those same people tell you accurate information that wouldn't skew the truth to make the other party look bad? Would you really expect a pastor or priest to give you a knowledgeable set of information on Hinduism, Buddhism, and Islam if you asked him?


We can discuss this by u2u if you wish. But I will not be brain washed with false properganda.


What I posted in my previous reply is not false propoganda, it's a fact. You're free to look it up for yourself and question it.


The two links I gave you are compelling but perhaps they can be debunked.


When you actually know the history of Islam, and what the definition and history of the word "Allah" are, you can debunk both of those sites for yourself.


Why do most arab countries have the cresent moon on their flags? If you claim you do not worship a moon god?


Two things I will present to you. The first being from the Quran that states in itself that worshiping the moon is wrong:

"And from among His Signs are the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. Do not bow down (prostrate) to the sun nor to the moon, but only bow down (prostrate) to "Allah" Who created them, if you (really) worship Him." -Surrah 41:37

Second, the crescent moon and star does not have Islamic origins, but rather it was adopted by the Ottoman Empire which ruled both North Africa and the Middle East. The Ottomans used the symbol only after conquering Constantinople. Prior to the conquer of Constantinople, the emperor Constantine (yes, the same one that converted people to Christianity, yet he still remained pagan, and also adopted the cross as the symbol of Christianity), started the symbol by adding the symbol for the star of Mary to their state's flag. The Ottomans decided to keep the state flag, and through their spread to Middle Eastern nations, they had spread the use of the crescent moon and star flag. Modern day nations who still use the crescent moon have retained the symbol of the flag.


I want the honest truth- don't present me with mind numbing video's I want to hear it from you.


I never presented any videos.

[edit on 20-8-2007 by DJMessiah]



posted on Aug, 20 2007 @ 01:31 AM
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Growing up I was a Catholic. I went through all the rituals and went to church on sundays. Afterall what kid wants to go to Hell when he dies? Early in my teens I began to deconstruct my religion. Science conflicting with theology, science winning out the debate most of the time, I asked myself this:
Why am I a Christian?

I'm sure like most of you, my religious prefrence was given to me from my parents. I made my choice to follow Christianty as a small child, the alternative being eternal damnation. Hell is really scary to a child. It's a red and firey, rocky cavern in the center of the Earth inhabited by bad souls who do back-breaking labor 24 hours a day in flesh melting tempatures while demons whip them. Worst of all you would be there and your parents would be in heaven. So I was born a Catholic in the same way someone is born into poverty, of no choice of my own, or anyone's own. I think it is safe to say ethical people would not approve the use of
fear tactics to manipulate someones choice. Nor can we hold a small child accountable for criminal behavior, because they lack logic and reasoning.

As I grew up and I developed logic I was able to dismiss previous religious beliefs when science began to answer the questions with real answers. I continue as a Catholic due to the imbedded fear of hell. Really though Hell was just associated with death and the fear of death is what kept me believing.

I gradually rejected religion as a determing factor upon my soul. I have not rejected the creator only religion. When the 3 major religons allegedly were created, people's understanding of the world must have been like that of a modern day 3 year old. And still today people believe the same as they did to the ultimate question. After I fully accepted the that religon is man made in a time with no answers and over the ages has been used to manipulate the masses and supress thought; I was able to fully seek the creator. Without the restrictions of religion, my mind opened to infinite possibilities and I awoke.

I think Bishop is a truely enlightened human. Like him, I think it is silly to concern yourself with the proper name of the creating energy.



posted on Aug, 20 2007 @ 04:49 AM
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I too was raised Catholic and went to Catholic school, which was alright, but just made me just a wee, little bit paranoid. I am still Catholic, but the problem with religious institutions like Catholicism is that they play politics with religion and make new dogma to play into fears to gain more paying attendants to church services. I mean, they just like to make up rules as they go along.

Religions tend to twist the text of spiritual books to fit their current agenda, that is the biggest problem. I really do not believe, as many priests I know, believe that Catholicism is the only way to salvation. I think no religion is right or wrong. In a way, I think they all have portions of very useful information and part of the truth. I know a good amount about all of them. I really consider myself a Judeo-Christian Buddhist. It works for me.


I personally believe that Jesus was the Son of God, and the Messiah. I also think God might have somewhat of a divine plan. Maybe, in His plan, there were supposed to be different religions so we had a choice. Also, perhaps not knowing the truth of everything is very important to our evolution as a people.

I personally see no problem calling Him: God, Allah or Yahweh. I think you could possibly use them interchangeably. I actually like the Rastafarian word "Jah" for God, a little more relaxed and mellow like a personal relationship.



posted on Aug, 20 2007 @ 08:53 AM
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Some people have a tendency to become a bit too concerned about the name of God. On one hand this is understandable, because many cultures, such as the Jews and many Eastern people realize that a name carries power. Therefore they feel that if they had the correct name for God, they would have greater access to the power of God.

The reality of the situation is that because people are trapped in such a low state of consciousness, God simply cannot run the risk of releasing his true name to the people on this planet. That is why you will see that no religion has the actual name of God. Some of the oldest spiritual teachings on this planet are the Vedas, and they give the name of God as Brahman. However this refers to the power of God and is not the actual name of God, even in the original Sanskrit.

When Moses asked for God's name, he was given a name that is often translated as “I am that I am.” However, the real translation should be “I will be who I will be.” In other words, God did not say “I am” and then give his name. God simply said “I am, and that is all I am going to tell you about myself.” God also said that at any given moment, he will be who he decides to be at that moment. In other words, God reserves the right to change himself regardless of human desires for an unchanging God.

If you want to truly know the reality of God, you need to let go of your fears and your desire to put God in a little box where he can never change. If you want to know God, you need to know God as a living god who is constantly creating and transcending himself. In fact, you can know God only if you are willing to constantly transcend yourself.

Therefore, do not be too attached to a particular name for God. Instead, go within the innermost part of your being and seek to attain at direct experience of the living Being of God.



posted on Aug, 20 2007 @ 12:09 PM
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Originally posted by DJMessiah

Originally posted by Leyla
Last summer I was ready to accept islam not even knowing what it was.




You can only accept Islam if you have a belief in one God and accept all of his prophets. Anyone who told you you could accept without even knowing what Islam is had either been lying to you or trying to get you to do something against your will.


Well.. He really didn't go into detail.. Nor could he even read the Quran. Since its in Arabic.

Fishy huh? Sorry about the video deal I was referring to Bodrul. When I ask a question he presents a video. Now he has me blocked.. Oh well.



[edit on 8/20/2007 by Leyla]



posted on Aug, 20 2007 @ 12:16 PM
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There are many versions of the Quran written in English. Same as the Bible. It's not the original language, but you work with what you got.



posted on Aug, 20 2007 @ 12:34 PM
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Here's a discussion of the issue on FOX with Father Jonathan Morris and a Muslim Imam:



This is one of the few times I agree theologically with every word spoken by a Catholic priest! Go Father Morris!



posted on Aug, 20 2007 @ 02:51 PM
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Originally posted by Rasobasi420
FF I'm sure if you look at the percentage of Muslims that suicide bomb places they would be comparable to the percentage of American soldiers that murder innocent people. Basically a small percent.


OMG... wtf does American soldier keep coming up for? I understand that it's fashionable on this site to turn anything that can be turned at the Americans of this site, but this is about 2" short of bashing just to force someone off topic. I apologize to the original poster i quoted, as he's not the only one to do it, however this is NOT, I reapeat NOT about Americans in specific, it's not about American Soldiers (incidentally i wasn't aware that 100% of American Soldiers were Christian). Unless now American Soldiers are the unified face of Christian across the entire damn world... Out of 11 close friend I had in the military, not a singe freaking one of them was even religious...

Stick to the topic of the Dutch guy making stupid statements, and keep the American Soldier bashing where it belongs... ya know every other thread where western civilization is blamed for everything. At least it makes sense there...

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posted on Aug, 20 2007 @ 04:39 PM
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Originally posted by JbT
Hell, if it were up to me, all these religions would cease to exist.

Personally, I could care less what you guys want to call your imaginary friend.

That is what it is, an Imaginary Friend.... this imaginary friend just happens to be the sole cause for most if not all the wars the last 6000+ years.

Allah, God, The Boggy Man..... what is the difference? Either name results in one word.... WAR.

Maybe thats what we should call this imaginary friend.... WAR.

Even this topic, the result of it is going to be an online argument in the name of an imaginary figuer. Have fun with that.

I guess you can tell that I see relgious people like children in a play ground talking to them selfs about their imaginary tea party friends. You are all so imature and seemingly "stupid" to us "nonbelivers" of "God".

Sole cause for most if not all the wars.

Yeah, okay. I'm sure that World War I, World War II, the Vietnam War, Korean War, both Iraq Wars, the War of 1812, all of the Napoleonic Wars, the American Revolution, the Sino-Japanese War, the Russo-Persian War, and the French and Indian War were all caused by religion.

Let's go back a little. The Punic Wars, Macedonian Wars, Samnite Wars, and Syrian Wars were all caused by religion.


What an idiotic statement. Really shows what kind of bias you have.



posted on Aug, 20 2007 @ 06:30 PM
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Originally posted by frailty
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perhaps not knowing the truth of everything is very important to our evolution as a people.

I really can't see how not knowing the truth can be benificial to anything. For too long through history, religion has been a ceiling over human potential. It constrains free thought, divides the masses, and is the justification for most wars. If there is a devil he would do all these things.



posted on Aug, 21 2007 @ 02:05 AM
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Originally posted by Johnmike

Originally posted by JbT
Hell, if it were up to me, all these religions would cease to exist.

Personally, I could care less what you guys want to call your imaginary friend.

That is what it is, an Imaginary Friend.... this imaginary friend just happens to be the sole cause for most if not all the wars the last 6000+ years.

Allah, God, The Boggy Man..... what is the difference? Either name results in one word.... WAR.

Maybe thats what we should call this imaginary friend.... WAR.

Even this topic, the result of it is going to be an online argument in the name of an imaginary figuer. Have fun with that.

I guess you can tell that I see relgious people like children in a play ground talking to them selfs about their imaginary tea party friends. You are all so imature and seemingly "stupid" to us "nonbelivers" of "God".

Sole cause for most if not all the wars.

Yeah, okay. I'm sure that World War I, World War II, the Vietnam War, Korean War, both Iraq Wars, the War of 1812, all of the Napoleonic Wars, the American Revolution, the Sino-Japanese War, the Russo-Persian War, and the French and Indian War were all caused by religion.

Let's go back a little. The Punic Wars, Macedonian Wars, Samnite Wars, and Syrian Wars were all caused by religion.


What an idiotic statement. Really shows what kind of bias you have.



Anyone remember the Crusades? That one lasted about 200 years or so.
He said 6000+ years. So start digging further back.



posted on Aug, 22 2007 @ 02:41 PM
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Originally posted by Equinox99
I am an Arabic Christian, I call God Allaha but that is our language.
However this statement should not be followed, if it is followed then we might
as well unite all of religion.
I will keep calling God Allaha, or God. This statement will not effect me one
bit I do not know about the rest of you. Now if the pope started telling us to
call God Allah then Christians will have a problem.


^_^ Salaam.

It is not so much which name we use for "God" -- rather, it is to which god we refer.

There are a lot of "christians" who worship "god" but their actions show that they worship a different "god". Because "god" is a word meaning "a supreme being", it could refer to any number of "gods".

"There are no other gods before me."

That is not to say that there aren't other "gods".

Just as there are a lot of "christians" who worship "god" (and "god" could mean evil, greed, lust, etc. or their respective mythical names of Ares, whoever the abundance god is, Aphrodite... whatever), just as there are a lot of "muslims" who worship "allaha" or their respective idol that benefits their gain.

Because the same word "god" is used to refer the Supreme Being God and is used to describe other "supreme being" wannabes, most people are too narrow to realize that people use these labels and end up ruining the image of God for others who would potentially believe.

For those of us who believe in a real adversary, satan, a deceiver -- the greatest deception is to make one's self like God. That means wherever the evil work is done, put God's name on it to ruin Him. Then people end up worshipping the deceiver who has made its own name "God" instead of the true God of love and peace.

For those who are too narrow to realize that there are "religious" people who truly love God and love everyone around them and really care about the world and its issues and really want to find answers scientifically, logically, and without prejudice, I request that you open your mind to the possibility, atheist or not, that there are bad people who are bent on ruining the good name of God.

You don't have to believe anything. You don't have to do anything. However, I ask you to make the choice to see beyond your hatred for religion because evil has corrupted the good ideas.

Not all "religious" people are nuts. I realize that there are overzealous people who try so hard to push their ideas on you. Do not be so easily offended. Don't get so defensive. Simply point out that you appreciate their offer, but if God does exist, you feel He would want you to find the truth for yourself so that you may truly believe.

If they persist, then you know that they aren't a true follower of what they claim to be.

Don't tell them this though, because they can't know. If they search their God, they will find that God wants them to love people, not to force them into believing something that doesn't make sense.

That having been said, may the true loving God bless each of us. ^_^



posted on Aug, 29 2007 @ 01:34 PM
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Allah - the Moon God

The Archeology of The Middle East
The religion of Islam has as its focus of worship a deity by the name of "Allah." The Muslims claim that Allah in pre-Islamic times was the biblical God of the Patriarchs, prophets, and apostles. The issue is thus one of continuity. Was "Allah" the biblical God or a pagan god in Arabia during pre- Islamic times? The Muslim's claim of continuity is essential to their attempt to convert Jews and Christians for if "Allah" is part of the flow of divine revelation in Scripture, then it is the next step in biblical religion. Thus we should all become Muslims. But, on the other hand, if Allah was a pre- Islamic pagan deity, then its core claim is refuted. Religious claims often fall before the results of hard sciences such as archeology. We can endlessly speculate about the past or go and dig it up and see what the evidence reveals. This is the only way to find out the truth concerning the origins of Allah. As we shall see, the hard evidence demonstrates that the god Allah was a pagan deity. In fact, he was the Moon-god who was married to the sun goddess and the stars were his daughters.







The reader must know that Ismael was a Hebrew.

Archaeologists have uncovered temples to the Moon-god throughout the Middle East. From the mountains of Turkey to the banks of the Nile, the most wide-spread religion of the ancient world was the worship of the Moon-god. In the first literate civilization, the Sumerians have left us thousands of clay tablets in which they described their religious beliefs. As demonstrated by Sjoberg and Hall, the ancient Sumerians worshipped a Moon-god who was called many different names. The most popular names were Nanna, Suen and Asimbabbar. His symbol was the crescent moon. Given the amount of artifacts concerning the worship of this Moon-god, it is clear that this was the dominant religion in Sumeria. The cult of the Moon-god was the most popular religion throughout ancient Mesopotamia. The Assyrians, Babylonians, and the Akkadians took the word Suen and transformed it into the word Sin as their favorite name for the Moon-god. As Prof. Potts pointed out, "Sin is a name essentially Sumerian in origin which had been borrowed by the Semites. "

In ancient Syria and Canna, the Moon-god Sin was usually represented by the moon in its crescent phase. At times the full moon was placed inside the crescent moon to emphasize all the phases of the moon. The sun-goddess was the wife of Sin and the stars were their daughters. For example, Istar was a daughter of Sin. Sacrifices to the Moon-god are described in the Pas Shamra texts. In the Ugaritic texts, the Moon-god was sometimes called Kusuh. In Persia, as well as in Egypt, the Moon- god is depicted on wall murals and on the heads of statues. He was the Judge of men and gods. The Old Testament constantly rebuked the worship of the Moon-god (see: Deut. 4:19;17:3; II Kngs. 21:3,5; 23:5; Jer. 8:2; 19:13; Zeph. 1:5, etc.) When Israel fell into idolatry, it was usually the cult of the Moon-god. As a matter of fact, everywhere in the ancient world, the symbol of the crescent moon can be found on seal impressions, steles, pottery, amulets, clay tablets, cylinders, weights, earrings, necklaces, wall murals, etc. In Tell-el-Obeid, a copper calf was found with a crescent moon on its forehead. An idol with the body of a bull and the head of man has a crescent moon inlaid on its forehead with shells. In Ur, the Stela of Ur-Nammu has the crescent symbol placed at the top of the register of gods because the Moon-god was the head of the gods. Even bread was baked in the form of a crescent as an act of devotion to the Moon-god. The Ur of the Chaldees was so devoted to the Moon-god that it was sometimes called Nannar in tablets from that time period.

A temple of the Moon-god has been excavated in Ur by Sir Leonard Woolley. He dug up many examples of moon worship in Ur and these are displayed in the British Museum to this day. Harran was likewise noted for its devotion to the Moon-god. In the 1950's a major temple to the Moon-god was excavated at Hazer in Palestine. Two idols of the moon god were found. Each was a stature of a man sitting upon a throne with a crescent moon carved on his chest . The accompanying inscriptions make it clear that these were idols of the Moon-god. Several smaller statues were also found which were identified by their inscriptions as the "daughters" of the Moon-god. What about Arabia? As pointed out by Prof. Coon, "Muslims are notoriously loath to preserve traditions of earlier paganism and like to garble what pre-Islamic history they permit to survive in anachronistic terms."

During the nineteenth century, Amaud, Halevy and Glaser went to Southern Arabia and dug up thousands of Sabean, Minaean, and Qatabanian inscriptions which were subsequently translated. In the 1940's, the archeologists G. Caton Thompson and Carleton S. Coon made some amazing discoveries in Arabia. During the 1950's, Wendell Phillips, W.F. Albright, Richard Bower and others excavated sites at Qataban, Timna, and Marib (the ancient capital of Sheba). Thousands of inscriptions from walls and rocks in Northern Arabia have also been collected. Reliefs and votive bowls used in worship of the "daughters of Allah" have also been discovered. The three daughters, al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat are sometimes depicted together with Allah the Moon-god represented by a crescent moon above them. The archeological evidence demonstrates that the dominant religion of Arabia was the cult of the Moon-god.

In Old Testament times, Nabonidus (555-539 BC), the last king of Babylon, built Tayma, Arabia as a center of Moon-god worship. Segall stated, "South Arabia's stellar religion has always been dominated by the Moon-god in various variations." Many scholars have also noticed that the Moon-god's name "Sin" is a part of such Arabic words as "Sinai," the "wilderness of Sin," etc. When the popularity of the Moon-god waned elsewhere, the Arabs remained true to their conviction that the Moon-god was the greatest of all gods. While they worshipped 360 gods at the Kabah in Mecca, the Moon-god was the chief deity. Mecca was in fact built as a shrine for the Moon-god.

This is what made it the most sacred site of Arabian paganism. In 1944, G. Caton Thompson revealed in her book, The Tombs and Moon Temple of Hureidha, that she had uncovered a temple of the Moon-god in southern Arabia. The symbols of the crescent moon and no less than twenty-one inscriptions with the name Sin were found in this temple. An idol which may be the Moon-god himself was also discovered. This was later confirmed by other well-known archeologists.

The evidence reveals that the temple of the Moon-god was active even in the Christian era. Evidence gathered from both North and South Arabia demonstrate that Moon-god worship was clearly active even in Muhammad's day and was still the dominant cult. According to numerous inscriptions, while the name of the Moon-god was Sin, his title was al- ilah, i.e. "the deity," meaning that he was the chief or high god among the gods. As Coon pointed out, "The god Il or Ilah was originally a phase of the Moon God." The Moon-god was called al- ilah, i.e. the god, which was shortened to Allah in pre-Islamic times. The pagan Arabs even used Allah in the names they gave to their children. For example, both Muhammad's father and uncle had Allah as part of their names.

The fact that they were given such names by their pagan parents proves that Allah was the title for the Moon-god even in Muhammad's day. Prof. Coon goes on to say, "Similarly, under Mohammed's tutelage, the relatively anonymous Ilah, became Al-Ilah, The God, or Allah, the Supreme Being."

This fact answers the questions, "Why is Allah never defined in the Qur'an? Why did Muhammad assume that the pagan Arabs already knew who Allah was?" Muhammad was raised in the religion of the Moon-god Allah. But he went one step further than his fellow pagan Arabs. While they believed that Allah, i.e. the Moon-god, was the greatest of all gods and the supreme deity in a pantheon of deities, Muhammad decided that Allah was not only the greatest god but the only god.

In effect he said, "Look, you already believe that the Moon-god Allah is the greatest of all gods. All I want you to do is to accept that the idea that he is the only god. I am not taking away the Allah you already worship. I am only taking away his wife and his daughters and all the other gods." This is seen from the fact that the first point of the Muslim creed is not, "Allah is great" but "Allah is the greatest," i.e., he is the greatest among the gods. Why would Muhammad say that Allah is the "greatest" except in a polytheistic context? The Arabic word is used to contrast the greater from the lesser. That this is true is seen from the fact that the pagan Arabs never accused Muhammad of preaching a different Allah than the one they already worshipped. This "Allah" was the Moon-god according to the archeological evidence. Muhammad thus attempted to have it both ways. To the pagans, he said that he still believed in the Moon-god Allah. To the Jews and the Christians, he said that Allah was their God too. But both the Jews and the Christians knew better and that is why they rejected his god Allah as a false god.

Al-Kindi, one of the early Christian apologists against Islam, pointed out that Islam and its god Allah did not come from the Bible but from the paganism of the Sabeans. They did not worship the God of the Bible but the Moon-god and his daughters al-Uzza, al-Lat and Manat. Dr. Newman concludes his study of the early Christian-Muslim debates by stating, "Islam proved itself to be...a separate and antagonistic religion which had sprung up from idolatry." Islamic scholar Caesar Farah concluded "There is no reason, therefore, to accept the idea that Allah passed to the Muslims from the Christians and Jews." The Arabs worshipped the Moon-god as a supreme deity. But this was not biblical monotheism. While the Moon-god was greater than all other gods and goddesses, this was still a polytheistic pantheon of deities. Now that we have the actual idols of the Moon-god, it is no longer possible to avoid the fact that Allah was a pagan god in pre-Islamic times. Is it any wonder then that the symbol of Islam is the crescent moon? That a crescent moon sits on top of their mosques and minarets? That a crescent moon is found on the flags of Islamic nations? That the Muslims fast during the month which begins and ends with the appearance of the crescent moon in the sky?



CONCLUSION
The pagan Arabs worshipped the Moon-god Allah by praying toward Mecca several times a day; making a pilgrimage to Mecca; running around the temple of the Moon-god called the Kabah; kissing the black stone; killing an animal in sacrifice to the Moon-god; throwing stones at the devil; fasting for the month which begins and ends with the crescent moon; giving alms to the poor, etc.

The Muslim's claim that Allah is the God of the Bible and that Islam arose from the religion of the prophets and apostles is refuted by solid, overwhelming archeological evidence. Islam is nothing more than a revival of the ancient Moon-god cult. It has taken the symbols, the rites, the ceremonies, and even the name of its god from the ancient pagan religion of the Moon-god. As such, it is sheer idolatry and must be rejected by all those who follow the Torah and Gospel. moongod.htm

Further information: thoroughly study the links in this file and also in The Cult of the Moon God The Vatican and Islam



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