natural cures "they" dont want you to know about

Originally posted by annestacey

Originally posted by matiascs
It's weird that the chinese have thousands years in natural medicine and still die of cancer...supressed cures? gimme a break...

Actually, I believe the only Chinese people who die of cancer are the ones who come to live in the U.S. and exposed to our scam of a medical industry.

The difference in believing and knowing is just research...

I first believed you were wrong and now I know you are wrong:

www.chinadaily.com.cn...

So...what about the thousand of years of natural cures?

Cheers

not all chinese practice those ancient cures

first sentence -- "China's increasing wealth has brought with it many of the trappings of the developed world."


including drugs

as for admriker, like i said before not all doctors are bad, in fact i bet about half of them have good intentions, its just finding out whos there to help you and who wants the cash.

Also your wifes some sort of doctor right? well if she is find out what her intake on natural cures are.

[edit on 14-8-2007 by tankthinker]

[That's quite a simplistic view...try googleing p53, Akt, Ras, RTK, GPCRs...cancer is not one disease...more than a 100 types of diseases...some share molecular pathways...but it isn't that simple...and next time you share a link with "scientific" information...references to real experiments/papers are needed...for all I know you could've made up the information...
Cheers

yes, you are right I shouldnt have posted that link as I dont know its credibility it just made sense to me. I googled your suggestions and yes I realize cancer is almost infinitely complex. I still think the link holds true info and I doubt if you did what they siad it would hurt you and what would constitute a science paper for you.

what if i said i saw a book that said that all cancer was actually caused by worms inside the body?

[edit on 14-8-2007 by tankthinker]

The difference in believing and knowing is just research...

I first believed you were wrong and now I know you are wrong:

www.chinadaily.com.cn...

So...what about the thousand of years of natural cures?

Cheers


You know you are right from one source that doesnt even add any credibility to your stance that natural remedies dont work as it doesnt even mention them? Agian just because they have many years of herbal remadies doesnt mean that people take them or hear about them. thus combinied with stress and inadequate diet thier cancer rates would fit what your source say they are.

Originally posted by annestacey

Originally posted by admriker444
I challenge anyone here to show evidence that doctors make millions "pushing" drugs.

This is totally false. My wife has never received one dollar from any pharm company.

Anyone here a doctor ? Or are we all just posting nonsense and OPINIONS.

My wife receives her income two ways...insurance payout or the patient pays the fee. Nothing ever comes from the drug companies nor does she receive any compensation for prescribing meds to patients.

My wife doesnt push any meds. In fact many times its the patient that demands drugs. She has lost patients because they considered my wife incompetent because she wouldnt prescribe antibiotics for a simple cold

There are lots of articles that discuss the fact that a large number of doctors are drug pushers. Some of them just don't realize it. Just because your wife is not accepting bribes, gifts and such in exchange for prescribing drugs doesn't mean others are not. And it seems to be pretty rampant in the medical industry.

Experiment shows medical doctors to be glorified drug dealers, easily manipulated by drug companies

There are plenty more articles such as this here:
www.newstarget.com...

10+ years ago the pharm industry gave gifts to docs but never cash. My wife got baseball tickets, dinner invites, free round of golf, etc.

That practice ended a decade ago.

If a doc were taking bribes, its a small minority like in any profession.

You claiming docs are drug pushers is like claiming all caucasions are canibals because Jeffery Dahmer was.

And you should reread the 1st article you mentioned. In it, very clearly its obvious that the patient is the one demanding the drug. The doctors arent pushing anything. Although some doctors do give in and let the patient try out a med. I gave an example of patients demanding antibiotics from my wife for a common cold.

My wife has wasted a lifetime trying to educate the masses about the danger of resistant infections thanks to overprescribing antibiotics. She's fighting a losing battle. The masses today have the attention span and intellect of a gnat. My wife cant overcome the billions in ad revenue spent to reach those masses.

Some docs give in to the patient simply because the patient will go elsewhere if they dont comply with the request. Maybe thats not ethical but who is more to blame..the patient who demands a drug or the doc who gives in ?

Either way, the pharm industry and our govt is to blame. Leave the docs out, theyre victims as much as anyone in this

[edit on 14-8-2007 by admriker444]

Originally posted by admriker444

10+ years ago the pharm industry gave gifts to docs but never cash. My wife got baseball tickets, dinner invites, free round of golf, etc.

That practice ended a decade ago.

If a doc were taking bribes, its a small minority like in any profession.

You claiming docs are drug pushers is like claiming all caucasions are canibals because Jeffery Dahmer was.

Utter nonsense.

I would like to know how many of you arguing that everything is better than standard medicine that if you got cancer would call old Kevin for help or would you check into the Mayo clinic. For once listen to some of our own experts within the field of medicine like admriker444 instead of someone who just wants your money.




[edit on 14-8-2007 by Xtrozero]

Id also like to point out that around the same time the Pharmaceutical industry agreed to stop giving gifts to doctors they also were given the green light to advertise to the public.

Think about that for a minute.

The reason is doctors take their oaths seriously. They for the most part arent going to sell out a patient to promote a drug. Doctors dont go into medicine for the money like many think. In fact, only the most elite specialist make the big money. They arent a bunch of sharks like some other professions.

The pharmaceutical industry did their best to tempt docs with gifts but it really doesnt work all that well.

Thats why the gladly took the deal to "police" themselves. Because our govt gave the drug giants permission to advertise directly to the public. Prior to this, drug companies could only advertise in trade magazines and other business outlets.

Now folks are getting ad blitzed directly at home from the drug giants. Then they go to their docs and ask for nexium or something else they think they might need because they saw it on tv.

I think this is proof-positive that doctors were in fact getting in drug giants way. They decided to go around educated people like doctors and appeal directly to the uneducated masses.

Originally posted by Xtrozero
I would like to know how many of you arguing that everything is better than standard medicine that if you got cancer would call old Kevin for help or would you check into the Mayo clinic. For once listen to some of our own experts within the field of medicine like admriker444 instead of someone who just wants your money.

if i had cancer i would try every natural way of getting cured, then when i do im gonna laugh in the doctors face.

Originally posted by tankthinker
what if i said i saw a book that said that all cancer was actually caused by worms inside the body?

[edit on 14-8-2007 by tankthinker]

are you serious how does that even compare to what i posted. my post gives an argument with rational associations did you even read the post.

Working in the health insurance field for the past 20 years has opened my
eyes to the big picture regarding natural cures vs. man-made bandaids.

I was introduced to the Isagenix Nutritional Cleansing system by one of
my clients whose family never gets sick. Rather than attempt to describe
it here, there is a 10 minute video entitled "Are You Toxic?" on the front
page (left side) of www.isagenix.com... .

Bottom line is that after a few months of Nutritional-Cleansing, my
physician took me off of the hypertension medication and gout medication
I was taking daily for 12 years. My 11 year old son is now almost weaned
completely off of the Ritalin for his Attention Deficit Disorder. My parents
jumped on the Nutritional Cleaning bandwagon too. They are both in their
upper 80's and their doctors are amazed at how perfectly balanced their
blood profiles are. They're not in perfect health, but their medications have
been reduced dramatically. What's really satisfying is that none of us
(me, the wife, 2 boys, or my parents) have even suffered through a
serious cold or flu since latching onto this Isagenix system in Feb 2004.

I know for a fact that drugs are good at improving the quality of life, but
they do not address the underlying cause of afflictions. Regular Nutritional
Cleansing however, gives our bodies the freedom to self-heal. The lack
of nutrients in our food combined with toxins in the envirornment make
it almost impossible for our bodies to work the way they were designed
to internally. Want to see a sample of how this world starts killing us
from the first month of inception? Read this startling study: archive.ewg.org... .

I urge each person reading this to thoroughly investigate "Nutritional"
Cleansing (as opposed to colon cleansing). It's a new science that
can truly help you, and those you love and care about.

-CareWeMust (Chicago)

here is a link to clinical trials done on the effectiveness of gigong on cancer. www.qigonginstitute.org...
its a PDF and rather large.

If you want to cure a disease it just takes discipline: Go vegan, eat raw foods. Consider fasting (for as long as you can) and immediately afterwards only eat raw vegetables and fruits in order to rebuild yourself at the cellular level. This will also help make your system alkaline, which makes it harder for disease to thrive . . . . Investigate how to get yourself alkaline through diet and mineral supplements!

Originally posted by xwayne
If you want to cure a disease it just takes discipline: Go vegan, eat raw foods. Consider fasting (for as long as you can) and immediately afterwards only eat raw vegetables and fruits in order to rebuild yourself at the cellular level.

very good advice I wish it were easy but its not and in my experience if you are giong to fast do qigong as it makes it alote easier to go without food for long periods of time.

......first off, there was another thread posted with the exact same title minus some capital letters started on the same day in the science forum.........just wondering why someone didn't catch it.......

Due to the repetitiousness I admit I glance over many posts instead of digesting each word. It seems Trudeau causes controversy everywhere he goes....indication of good or bad, I don't know. He sure has people riled up at the least. I am not going to jump into the debate over him but I would like to know 1) if he is what he says, why didn't "they" kill him years ago? "they" take out whoever "they" want whenever "they" want.......2) to all of those who refer to his past in order to debunk the natural cures he promotes, why hasn't he been sued for the last 3 books?

....for the person who kept saying "doctors don't get rich off of drugs" .....no, drug companies do. Doctors are well meaning (most of them) - which Trudeau mentions BTW. I have a friend who is a Pharmacist and she spends on avg. of 3 hours of her work day calling back patients due to prescriptive errors on the doctors' parts. Not their fault - they simply aren't educated enough often times. I have another friend who works for a MAJOR pharm co. as a rep. ........he is low on the scale, makes a fortune, travels to exotic places at least 2 times a year for conventions. Trust me, he knows nothing about the drug but looks real impressive with his charts and presentation and that who is selling it to doctors. Provides well for his family though.

I know everyone has personal horror stories about medicine - wonder why that is - but I watched my father being over drugged by doctors, not once but twice. I should write a book about all I went through but it came down to, valium prescrived for hiccups that interacted with phenobarb plus tons of other meds - started killing his brain. He had seizures. When I called the doctors on the high dosage of Valium (something like 75mg) when I knew from another medical person that 5 was sufficient for hiccup control, they very begrudgingly reduced the dosage. Wallaaaaaa, dad started getting better. ...........but they added two more pills to his little cup.....hmmm......as I was convincing him not to swallow the pills the nurse came in and literally forced him to take them.....within no time he flatlined and before I knew it four doctors rushed in to work on him. They didn't even have time to move me out of the way......one said to the other "this man has been overmedicated"......well, duh. He never really recovered after that.

He did go to a home where my husband watched an employee swipe the meds from the cups of the alzheimer's patients (funny how there was an NA meeting on site for employees) and I had to beggggg for a nutritionist to get my father simple supplements added to his regimen....like vitamin C ..... I had to wait two weeks for the appt......he died before I could get in. The whole scenario played out in much the same way with my mother-in-law two years ago.

Not much faith in the medical field as it stands here.

Find your own answers people, you may be surprised.

I got your "boy" hanging between my legs.

Ph 5.5 is urine or saliva not blood.

Read the material yourself if you can

Originally posted by tankthinker
if i had cancer i would try every natural way of getting cured, then when i do im gonna laugh in the doctors face.

The coffin and 6 feet of dirt might muffle the sound.

Originally posted by cistchap
If I say to you "Drink five glasses of water a day" that is a perscription and I can go to jail for practicing medicine without a license. I KNOW this to be true because I was told by a district judge.

Having said that, I will tell all of you that Medical science has proven that when your Ph level falls below 5.5 cancer can flourish. Raise your ph and cancer as well as hiv, aids, hepat, etc... begins to die.

As far as Kevin goes. Anyone can research the cures he speaks of. Go to his website, Don't go. It really does not matter.

A headache is not caused by a lack of asprin, vicodin, or any other drug.
Cluster headaches can be eliminated by a capable massage therapist. I do it in my office all the time. I have more than 12,000 massages to my credit and have helped many people with various afflictions. I do not cure. I help the body cure itself.

As far as cancer goes look up essiac tea. You'll be informed. It has cured stage four cancer with an 80% cure rate. It was nearly voted in as a cure for cancer by the canadians.

You need to research more and argue less.

A very childish reaction...when you say that when you "Ph" (you might actually try to spell it right)...when your pH falls below 5.5 you get cancer...as that sentence reads you imply blood...since you also mention other blood borne pathogens...AND yes you should catch up on your biochem...boy

Also, you should catch up on your reading about headaches...you simplify a much more complex physiological alteration...boy

Originally posted by tankthinker
what if i said i saw a book that said that all cancer was actually caused by worms inside the body?

[edit on 14-8-2007 by tankthinker]

I would say: show me the references that book gives to the experiments and papers that prove that cancer is caused by worms...

Originally posted by xwayne
If you want to cure a disease it just takes discipline: Go vegan, eat raw foods. Consider fasting (for as long as you can) and immediately afterwards only eat raw vegetables and fruits in order to rebuild yourself at the cellular level. This will also help make your system alkaline, which makes it harder for disease to thrive . . . . Investigate how to get yourself alkaline through diet and mineral supplements!

Why do people still go on about going "alkaline"...your blood is a great buffer...has to be in a very narrow pH value...if you deviate from it...you simply go into acidosis/alkalosis and yup...pretty much kick the bucket