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posted on Aug, 1 2007 @ 08:33 PM
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Originally posted by tsloan
I guess I should feel good that what he spilled didn't make me zip over to the Rush Limbaugh web site to look for all the answers to this.


LOL! Thats awesome...

on a serious note though:

I dunno about you guys but to me this is a Big Deal. If we are being lied to just on the manner in which the plane crash what do you think is true of anyother event that involved that day. Or any other from there on out, im not saying everything put for is a lie, but it is surley "SANATIZED".




posted on Aug, 1 2007 @ 08:42 PM
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Originally posted by Azathoth
Last time I checked CTR's which other spooks called "dial spinners" didn't run the classified broadcasts. That was left up to the O branchers which ran the message traffic. While he might of "seen" a message I seriously doubt he would of seen what he said he saw. We had training on the specific messages to time how fast it is for them to get out, because ther eis a required time for them to be out of house. Our, "R" branchers didn't even help with them unless it contain frequencies, then they would help. I was CTM and I had to have Operators clearance, which I was able to see anything that came over the line, but only because I was capable of standing the operator watch. But even then if the message was classified above my "technical" clearance, I was to just print it out and lock it up in the SSO's safe. But before I was allowed in the spaces, I had to wait on my clearance to be validated. So one of two things on this topic.

One: This guy's SSO let him in a space where he wasn't cleared for. So its likely the SSO is going to be headed up a creek without a paddle.

Two: This guy is cleared and is now subject to the full extent of the NDA he signed when he placed his paperwork for a clearence in. Most people think" Oh I didn't sign an NDA so I'm good.". WRONG. You signed one before you even got a clearence, that you could plainly see on you SFQ-80 paperwork.

BTW I was in numerous pranks done to our Intel friends in the spaces. My CTA created this document on how we have been in contact with aliens since 1941. It stated alot of good information picked up from the internet but worded in "Navyese" which made it very convincing. The whole point was to get the persons thumbprint, which went on a wall of shame. Afterwards they were let in. At least a few, thought it was pure crap but there was a lot who's eyes glazed over when presented with this "new" information. We also once told an Intel Specialist that the oscope was how aliens contacted us and when it spiked they were contacting us. Should of seen her eyes!!

-Aza


[edit on 31-7-2007 by Azathoth]


AHH... Now someone who is speaking my language...

Ok, long stupid story but our systems went down and I had to work with the only CTM we happened to have avalible to us to get the networks back up. 1 was pregnant, 1 on con leave, and the other sick, so it was just him and me, we got everything up and running again. He was given an NAM partially for the work we did that day.

Also nowadays pretty much everybody M's/N's are capable of standing operator.

ny time is up Ill finish responding tomorrow...night all.



posted on Aug, 2 2007 @ 03:34 AM
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Just a note. I dont think anyone is in leathal danger without posessing first hand hard evidence.

I mean with all the "nut cases" all over internet, hoaxing this and that and imagining this and that.. Even if I came forward telling exactly what happened and even if people buy it. Without evidence nobody can do anything, doesnt matter how sensitive secret we´re talking about.

The goverment can just ignore it. "Just another internet conspiracy nutcase, move along nothing to see."

However should you come over evidence like documents or such, then I'd get paranoid. But not over this as you posted, you saw something somewhere and told us, look you're still alive!



posted on Aug, 2 2007 @ 05:33 PM
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I know nothing about the US Navy and I really only want to know one thing at this point, in seeing some of the defendants posts.

Keeping n mind, I understand the US schooling system is not that great.

Should a “Cryptological Technician Collection/Analysis” person in the United States Navy not be spelling a little better than this? Or is it much like the US Army.



posted on Aug, 2 2007 @ 06:32 PM
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Are you a hoaxer? Is this worth reading? What is your point? Even if you produce hard evidence downloaded here it will still be scrutinized. Are you a Traitor? What business do you have spreading this kind of info on the net? Why ask people into this web you are weaving? Give it up man and let this post die.



posted on Aug, 2 2007 @ 08:26 PM
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ya nothing really to see here, we all know 93 was shot down, why the goverment covered it up, I have no idea.

They were basically catching so much flak for not getting to and takeing down any of the planes, this woulda looked good for them.

But I guess the Heros of flight 93 just makes for a better story, and saves the government alot of headache and money.

But the "Mom, you believe this is me right Mom?" just doesn't sit right. I would never ever say that or have to say that to my Mother.

It just shows the goverment is hiding stuff, and they're capable of voice replication, and all sorts or other stuff, it's makeing alot of people dig deeper, and I bet after all this is uncovered (like it hasn't been yet). It'll point at who made the money, and who stood to gain the most.

Silverstein, Guiliani, and Busch. Terrible men of the worst sort.



posted on Aug, 2 2007 @ 08:31 PM
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Also to Scyman:

If you have more sensitive information than flight 93 was brought down.

I mean like REALLY seriously undeniable proff of a government conspiracy.

Best I can say to you is pull a Bob Lazar(the News publicity alone will protect your life). Leave the Navy, you'll have a nice chunk of change to sit on from the interviews you'll be doing for the next 5 years.......

After that you can maybe write some books, or do whatever, and live a nice life, knowing your conscience is clear. Instead of working for a this NWO Fascist government.

That's my advice.



posted on Aug, 2 2007 @ 11:25 PM
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Originally posted by Nolas
ya nothing really to see here, we all know 93 was shot down, why the goverment covered it up, I have no idea.


I'm not convinced that Flight 93 was shot down. Although I am open to that possibility. The debris field of 10 square miles means that the debris spread out over a, somewhat, circular area with a radius of just over 1.5 miles.

The possibilities are that:
A) The plane broke up as it unnaturally steeply descended at 500 mph (and, due to gravity, rising), or that:
B) The plane was destroyed by a missle from a fighter jet, coincidentally happening as the passengers were trying to take back the plane.

The cockpit recorder shows that the passengers were in revolt. Whether or not they actually entered the cockpit is sketchy. Yes, that recording was played for the victims' families only. But, if it did not contain what it is said to contain, I'm pretty sure that Lisa Beamer, et al, would say so. (Unless, of course, I want to believe that Lisa Beamer, et al, were threatened into keeping silent about the real content of a tape that the Gubmit had no compelling reason to feign existing in the first place.)


But the "Mom, you believe this is me right Mom?" just doesn't sit right. I would never ever say that or have to say that to my Mother.


I believe that Bingham's question was: "You do believe me. Right, Mom?" Again, hard to believe the gubmint would needlessly employ voice replication technology -- on the voice of a single man whom may have missed the flight -- of such imperfection that the fake voice would need to ask if it was believed to be the alleged speaker.

Imagine if Mark Bingham had actually missed the flight and yet called his mother from it.


But, since we now know that he was indeed aboard that flight, I suppose that all the flight attendants who were slated to die were in on the conspiracy, too.





[edit on 3-8-2007 by Tuning Spork]



posted on Aug, 2 2007 @ 11:46 PM
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I must say, this is anticlimactic, and to everyone who is saying hes after fame...if thats what he wanted why wouldnt he go to the news or something, I mean this community isnt huge...I dont know his name and I doubt most everyone else doesnt either. However, I already thought what he "revealed", and am slightly sceptical of his "proof", seeing as there isnt any. I am leaning towards him...what does he have to gain, and if he went to the news it would ruin his military career for sure, this however is likly to not have any repercussions.



posted on Aug, 3 2007 @ 12:05 AM
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to bad the cockpit recorded doesn't record anything OUTSIDE the cockpit...

just food for thought

[edit on 3-8-2007 by thedangler]



posted on Aug, 3 2007 @ 07:04 PM
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Ya know? Maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea to add microphones in the fuselage. Have a "passenger conversation data box"? I can see the right to privacy complaints to the ACLU now.



posted on Aug, 4 2007 @ 01:45 PM
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Originally posted by BO XIAN

Originally posted by -0mega-
Not if you run a special program that logs in ATS 3 hours after you've accessed the pc, posts the message, and then deletes any trace of the program ever being run =P.


. . . not my reality . . .

I assume the following:

1. the NSA and more unknown such characters are not lackies.
2. that it's highly likely that each and every PC manufactured has backdoors and identifiers etc. to more than make up for such strategies on the part of leakers.
3. that it's highly likely that it's impossible to 100% erase such evidence from a PC and from a network. Conceivable . . . I'm just highly skeptical.
4. That Every keystroke on a PC could be logged any number of ways regardless of built-in software delays etc.

Betting someone else's life and livelihood is more risk than I'd want to take on.

I just think that the monitoring has increased exponentially in the last 37 years and has to be well beyond what most of us can even imagine.



I think we are giving the Government too much credit here. Considering the government hires hackers to keep people out of their computers. They have to bring in outside forces to do it.
The only computer system to not be hacked is Ft. Knox. That is because the brightest and the best of hackers are paid insane amounts of money to keep other hackers out.



posted on Aug, 5 2007 @ 01:39 AM
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Canada , Mexico and U.S. presidents have already agreed to form the United States of North America as of last year. This was the purpose of NAFTA, solely. The Summit to form the United States of Africa met in Accra, around the end of June 2007; hosting the Leaders of the African Union for three days. The U.S. News called the Summit a "long discussed, but elusive idea for a pan-African government" and that was it. Lied Lied lied.....The British version's headlines was, " Summit focuses on United States of Africa plan". They are hiding the fact that 10 of these political divisions are in the planning stages to include the United States of Australia and 8 more are in the makings. The United States is divided into 10 regions that will have a governor for each one. Few know about this sinister plan and the ones that do have no one that will listen. Many don't believe it but its true. 911 was a wake up. and is only scratching the surface since even WWI...........

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unitedstatesafrica.tripod.com...

www.rense.com...

www.cuttingedge.org...



posted on Aug, 5 2007 @ 01:42 AM
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A little prophesy that is put to music..........we haven't seen anything since WWI that we will see soon.............
Buckle up.

www.youtube.com...



posted on Aug, 5 2007 @ 12:32 PM
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I have a couple of questions for our OP. What were you told on your first day of boot about the people in the surrounding town? It may be hard to remember considering the mental stress of that day but please try. Name the issued gear item in boot that just had to make you laugh ( Its name ).
What did they call it when the whole company got punished and had to do PT? What did they call the treatment for out of shape individuals that they would personally have to go through to get in shape. I didn't have a stress card lol, Wish I did. PS I saw a recruit fall face first and crush his nose on the concrete floor after our first three hours of sleep when we were woke up and were told to stand at attention, He stood at attention but was still asleep lol. Our Master Chief told us how he was thrown out of the second story window by his Company Commander during his basic training.
By the way, Yes it was shot down. One of the engines were found a mile away. Locals heard a loud explosion before anything hit the ground. The hole in the ground is way to small if the whole plane had impacted there.



posted on Aug, 5 2007 @ 08:36 PM
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AS to flight 93, I distinctly remember for about the first one or two days after 9-11, eyewitnesses reported seeing two items flying towards the planes. Shortly after, I never heard mention of this again. And I remember this because I was looking for closure on that issue and the issue dissappeared.



posted on Aug, 5 2007 @ 09:37 PM
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Well at least someone who might have "real" evidence has some insight into how to go about releasing said evidence.

P.S> I know I'm being monitored.



posted on Aug, 11 2007 @ 09:33 PM
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Originally posted by Sky watcher
I have a couple of questions for our OP. What were you told on your first day of boot about the people in the surrounding town? It may be hard to remember considering the mental stress of that day but please try. Name the issued gear item in boot that just had to make you laugh ( Its name ).
What did they call it when the whole company got punished and had to do PT? What did they call the treatment for out of shape individuals that they would personally have to go through to get in shape. I didn't have a stress card lol, Wish I did. PS I saw a recruit fall face first and crush his nose on the concrete floor after our first three hours of sleep when we were woke up and were told to stand at attention, He stood at attention but was still asleep lol. Our Master Chief told us how he was thrown out of the second story window by his Company Commander during his basic training.
By the way, Yes it was shot down. One of the engines were found a mile away. Locals heard a loud explosion before anything hit the ground. The hole in the ground is way to small if the whole plane had impacted there.


Sorry they didnt say anything about the people of the of Great Lakes... The gear that i got issued that made me laugh? i dunno skivvies was funny to me. The way the word chit is used for everything paper is funny to me to. Also we didnt have "companys" or "company commanders" we had DIVISIONS and RDC's Recruit Division Commander's...

But yes sounds like we both went through navy bootcamp and came out sailors
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posted on Aug, 11 2007 @ 11:30 PM
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mate,

you got 7 pages worth of chatter and inuendo going on here about your sol called claims.......use those balls you got between your legs and out the information. If you got it that is.

If you were so scared and worried about "them" finding out who you were and the like you wouldnt have made the move to post this mention of it here, would you?

I'm not saying you dont have anything, I dont know, maybe you do, but after 7 pages of this, I think enough is enough and show us what ya got!!!

ATS has had its fair share of hoaxes and bogus claims made by individuals, so unless you would like to be added to that hall of fame, put your money where your mouth is!



posted on Aug, 12 2007 @ 07:40 AM
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the secret team called DELTA SHADOW is very real and they are ex cia operatives who did plant shaped charges in the WTC.
one lives in germany and one lives in west belgium they are the two i had a conversation with about their activities inside the wtc weeks before they were demolished. internet wiring was the cover and security cameras were turned off. IM DONE WITH ALL THIS ANYWAY as a federal investigator's response to me was 'SO WHAT WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT" there is nothing we can do. none of us here are powerful enough to make any difference at all its just TIME to move on .




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