Juval Aviv Warns of Possible Terrorist Attacks in U.S. Cities Within 90 Days.

Originally posted by grover

You really have a hard time understanding figurative speech don't you?
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Not really, i have been here long enough to see that's exactly what you do every time, more so when you really have nothing of value to contribute...


[edit on 31-7-2007 by Muaddib]

Source

On Monday, two British soldiers were arrested and detained by Iraqi police in Basra. Within a matter of hours, the British military responded with overwhelming force. Despite subsequent Ministry of Defence denials, insisting that the two men had been retrieved solely through “negotiations”, British military officials, including Brigadier John Lorimer, told BBC News (20/9/05) [1] that the British Army had stormed an Iraqi police station to locate the detainees.

Just to add fuel to the flame on the military acting as insurgents. The above is a snippet from the linked story that states British SAS soldiers were caught dressed as insurgents. I feel some in hear only listen to the likes of Rush Limbaugh for his very skewed political talking points.

Please read the whole story as it unfolds before your very eye's after
Fancy guns and dressed don't mix.


[edit on 31-7-2007 by tsloan]

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Originally posted by Trauma
Don't forget Chertoff is s former Mossad Agent and he has recently declared that it's his "gut" feeling that an Al Queda attack is imminent. You can taste the deceit. If it was ever the White House's interest to prevent more Al Queda from getting in the country, they would never have left the borders wide open for years.

Except that when something is put on the board, such as a wall, which was on the plans for Canada and Mexico, you get some groups claiming, "that's going to be used against us...that's to keep us from going out of the U.S."...and we already have had such claims being made in these same forums.

www.sfgate.com.../c/a/2006/02/26/BORDERFENCE.TMP

BTW, we also get members in these forums have "gut feelings" about attacks, or something is about to happen kind of feelings, are they also "government agents, or Mossad agents"?...

Originally posted by Muaddib
You are making that claim, so yes you need to provide evidence for it.

Hadn't seen you on this thread, consider this a formal invitation...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by twitchy
Hadn't seen you on this thread, consider this a formal invitation...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

....just by watching the first claim made in that video i can see it for what it is... the CIA invented Islamic Fundamentalism in 1979?....

In case you didn't know "islamic Fundamentalism" has existed for a very long time before the CIA even existed, or even the U.S.

BTW, i think you and the people who made up that video are talking about "Islamic Extremism", since Islamic Fundamentalism covers a wide range of movements/ideas within the Muslim world.

BTW, Islamic extremism is not new either, and the "CIA" didn't invent it either....

Here is a small excerpt on what "Islamic Fundamentalism" is.

Islamic Fundamentalism, diverse political and social movements in Muslim countries of North Africa, the Middle East, and South Asia that have as their goal the creation of more Islamically oriented states and societies based on the principles and values of Islam.

encarta.msn.com...

[edit on 31-7-2007 by Muaddib]

Originally posted by Muaddib
....just by watching the first claim made in that video

Just by watching the first scene in the Wizard of Oz, I can tell it's about a Farm but you have to watch the rest of the movie to learn about wizards and flying monkeys.

Originally posted by twitchy
Just by watching the first scene in the Wizard of Oz, I can tell it's about a Farm but you have to watch the rest of the movie to learn about wizards and flying monkeys.

As always, when you claim that "a video is going to fundamentally change your world view' which is apparently what you think of this video, yet on the first minute of watching such a video a clear propaganda, and even a clear lie can be seen, it tells everything about that video...

[edit on 31-7-2007 by Muaddib]

You really are the last person to take anyone to task over insulting and belittling those who disagree with you; especially when what I said was abundantly clear to begin with. Be that as it may arguing with you becomes increasingly boring, the only valid opinions that you value are those that agree with you.

That terrorists might be planning to attack us again really isn't at debate here, we know that it is true that they do, just as surely as we are planning to attack them again. The issue is the value, outside of political gain and grandstanding, of constantly waving a red flag over it. After all as I pointed out validly in my original post on this subject, to do so too often leads to a cynicism about those warnings, and this administration has most certainly done their best to keep people scared.

Well hop on over there and debunk that lying propoganda then, should be easy enough for you to fact check and debunk it since it's so full of glaring lies and such. As for the first statement in that video being a lie...

Source
Zbigniew Brzezinski:
How Jimmy Carter and I Started the Mujahideen

Here's 295,000 pages of similar lies on google

I guess it depends on how ambiguous you want to be with the literal meaning of Islamic Fundamentalism.
We can play semantics if you like, how about we narrow it down to Mujahideen, or AKA Alqeda since we are told that is the most threatening?
What about Western Fundamentalism? How about Zionism? The actions of these folks are justified in the name of western righteousness somehow, or acceptable? Bah. We've been screwing around over there, OVER THERE, 4000 miles away from the nearest American Mcdonalds, as a nation since the Barbary Pirates in the 1700's, and as a culture, for nearly two thousand years. Hey what if we left them alone for once in history and minded our own business, they might not want to kill us so bad if we weren't OVER THERE in the first place.
What makes a terrorist in the first place? Why are they so angry at us? ou They are just out to get you and rule the world and beat women and who knows what, but some of us really would like to understand who, what where and why before we go waving flags and shooting people. Kinda sad really, when I was young I always wondered what made people want to go fight thousands of miles from home for somebody else, then I see people like you and I begin to understand the powerful arts of propoganda. You really do believe that stuff don't you? You can't imagine that there might be a reason behind the madness. Sad really.
Jump on over there and debunk that video, I'm looking forwards to seeing what you can do with it.

Originally posted by TruthWithin
Please forgive me for posting a World Nut Daily link, but I came across this and it is dated in 2005.

Am I missing something. Something is fishy about this....

World Nut Daily ...or not so nutty maybe this time...

Remember that I only posted this for the purpose of the date. He said this in 2005?

For me, this thread should have ended right there on page 2. Nice find by TruthWithin and by Duby78 for the subsequent post which shows the date discrepancy. However, the thread has degraded to the usual "I am smarter than you" battles.

Then Duby78 exposes the hidden agenda of OP's source.

It seems the OP became defensive since his thread was debunked so quickly and it was proven that it was a bogus/outdated story from a biased source.

I have said this before:

Heads = They attack us now
Tails = They attack us later

Your toss.

regards...kk
( Gosh I love this place )


[edit on 31-7-2007 by kinda kurious]

Originally posted by kinda kurious
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Then Duby78 exposes the hidden agenda of OP's source.

Yes, the original link given was an old link, but if you would bother to check what i mentioned, you would find out that what I stated is true....

This is not the first time a story has been found to be bogus...

Originally posted by kinda kurious
It seems the OP became defensive since his thread was debunked so quickly and it was proven that it was a bogus/outdated story from a biased source.

No, actually i became defensive because some have been claiming that i had some ulterior motive for posting this....or as always, some would claim that I work for the "govenrment"...or some other BS claim like grover and his minions keep coming up with....

I already explained how i came about with this information, but anyways, what the heck, am i on trial here?....

Do you think this is the only story which was found to be old and some website decided to put it as if it was new?....

i already accepted and commended the poster who found that this story was old, but still some want to claim "the op had some ulterior motive"...

Some people really need to get a life...

[edit on 1-8-2007 by Muaddib]

Originally posted by twitchy

Source

Zbigniew Brzezinski:
How Jimmy Carter and I Started the Mujahideen

Wow, so now Jimmy Carter "started the Mujahideen" too?.... Yeah i guess that would be a claim Jimmy Carter would make...

There is only one problem, Mujahideens have been around far longer than the 1980s...

In 1947, the armed Mujahideen (Razakars), mostly Pashtun supported by the Pakistani Army, tried to force the annexation of Kashmir by Pakistan, as part of the population desired. Pakistan claimed the fighters were independent mujahideen helping a local insurgency, while India claimed that the invaders were Pakistani irregulars supported by the Pakistani Army.]

en.wikipedia.org...

Mujahideen have been around far longer than Carter, just because Carter gave funds to some Mujahideen, doesn't mean "he started them"....

As i said, throughout history there have been alliances which were later broken, and allies turned against each other...

Originally posted by twitchy

Here's 295,000 pages of similar lies on google

Yeah, i am sure i can find 300,000 pages in google with "flying monkeys, and immortals living throughout several centuries, as in Duncan McCloud" as being real too.... i guess you believe all those stories too?....

[edit on 1-8-2007 by Muaddib]

Muaddib still carries around that old wound Cubans in Florida Carry since Castro took over and the democrats have always been blamed for Cuba never having been freed due to Democrats following JFK.

You will never meet a Cuban that is NOT for BUSH. Cubans are Republicans and their mind is set. According to them, its better to have an evil bad REpublican, than a Democrat anyday.

Me and my family are an exception to the rule. Thank Goodness.

This is at the core of Muaddib's posting, and thinking. No offense, Muaddib, but its true. You people need to get past that and start seeing things for what they really are.

This is totally off topic but i do beleive it explains Muaddibs thinking. I apologize for doing the thinking for Muaddib but you got to know where he's coming from.

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Originally posted by Muaddib
This is not the first time a story has been found to be bogus...

OK, so that is your argument for spreading false information?
"I am not the first one to rob a bank, so I am not guilty"

or some other BS claim like grover and his minions keep coming up with

Oh yes, I was hired by Grover with others to gang up on you. You are obviously more paranoid than I originally suspected.

what the heck, am i on trial here?

Yes you are. Verdict = Guilty of speading false, speculative, mis-leading and outdated propaganda.

Some people really need to get a life.

Uh...practice what you preach dude. I would say rather, "Some people need to live their life with compassion and tolerance for understanding those with opposing views".

over and out...kk

Muaddib simply can't stand it if you question him and his methods. Note he has never addressed in any manner my statement:

"That terrorists might be planning to attack us again really isn't at debate here, we know that it is true that they do, just as surely as we are planning to attack them again. The issue is the value, outside of political gain and grandstanding, of constantly waving a red flag over it. After all as I pointed out validly in my original post on this subject, to do so too often leads to a cynicism about those warnings, and this administration has most certainly done their best to keep people scared."

He won't either because that would mean he would have to actually have to think about the real issues involved. Instead he asserts that I have nothing to contribute which is patently false.

Instead mister master of the attack, accuses me and others who disagree with him of being the offending ones who attack poor little old innocent him. ROTFLMAO

[edit on 1-8-2007 by grover]

Originally posted by kinda kurious

OK, so that is your argument for spreading false information?
"I am not the first one to rob a bank, so I am not guilty"

What in the world are you talking about?...

Let me see if puting it in bold and caps some people can comprehend what I have been saying....

I DID NOT KNOW THAT THIS MAN HAD SAID THIS ALSO BACK IN 2005..... THE ORIGINAL LINK CLEARLY SAYS JULY 30th 2007, AND IT APPEARED AS PER THE LINK THAT THIS WAS A NEW SOURCE OF INFORMATION.....

Got it now, or do you need me to spell it out too?...

Originally posted by kinda kurious
Oh yes, I was hired by Grover with others to gang up on you. You are obviously more paranoid than I originally suspected.

I am not the one making claims such as Grover that because I differ on opinion than him on this i must be working for the government... or your messed up claim that "I am somehow knowingly spreading false information"....

Originally posted by kinda kurious
Yes you are. Verdict = Guilty of speading false, speculative, mis-leading and outdated propaganda.

....go get a life kid...you have seen too many movies....

Originally posted by grover
Muaddib simply can't stand it if you question him and his methods. Note he has never addressed in any manner my questions about the validity of continually crying wolf. He won't either because that would mean he would have to actually have to think about it.

What needs to be noted is how you cry whenever something does happen and then you and some others claim "we weren't told about it even when they had information".... but if there are warnings being given because of any chatter immediately you also claim "people are just trying to scare you"....

The fact of the matter is that it seems you, and some others are just too scared about terrorism, that you would cry and whine that anyone who would post any information about possible attacks are just trying to scare you....

A piece of advice....breath in, and breath out....information about possible attacks are just "information".... You can take it or leave it.. I personally don't give a crap about what you and some others think...

Yes, this information in specific was given in 2005.....but both Steve Quayle and the website family matters had this information as if it was new....

Oh I really don't believe that you are working for the government Muaddib, nor was I the first to ever claim that you were. Actually I don't think even the bush administration is foolish enough to hire you... you'd be so full of yourself about it that you would blow your cover in a heart beat.

However you do spread false info and out and out fabrications and your sources are less than reliable and if they don't come from a right wing conservative source, you refuse to consider them valid; so in all reality you have no crediblity to speak of whatsoever.

I am not afraid of terrorists or even another attack. I know the odds of me being involved in another attack are less than being hit by lightening. I just can't stand the fear mongering behind such posts. Fear mongering is counter productive and does this country no good except to frighten little old ladies and children and to try and boost a sagging president (and his party) in the polls.

Trouble is Muaddib they have run fear mongering into the ground, people don't buy the crying wolf policies anymore which is why that one trick pony Guilliani doesn't have a snow balls chance in hell at the oval office... its his only card in the deck... look how brave and leader like I was during 9/11.... I'll keep you safe. He tried to parley that into an illegal 3rd term as mayor in NYC after 9/11 and it didn't work and it won't work in 08 either.

Originally posted by dgtempe
Muaddib still carries around that old wound Cubans in Florida Carry since Castro took over and the democrats have always been blamed for Cuba never having been freed due to Democrats following JFK.
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A bit off topic, but i need to anwser you here since you posted this in this thread.

DG, as i see it, you left the island when you were only 3 years old, so you do not personally witnessed much about that regime in particular.

You did not attend school in a Communist regime and were indoctrinated into hating the U.S. and the west, because that's what they do in Communists schools.

It is the same kind of hatred that you see some people in here sprouting against the U.S. blaming everything that happens under the Sun and Moon on the U.S.

You yourself have seen what many people in here believe and claim... when they are really told about what happens under the "Communist/true socialist dictatorship they claim it is not true and even some staff members have accused me, and any other Cuban who dares to refute the claims they make about Cuba, which they don't know anything about, yet they claim that we are "working for the U.S. government and being paid to say this".... or that "we are lying about Cuba" when they themselves have no experience or knowledge about Cuba....

Conspiracies don't mean just "U.S. government is behind everything that happens under the Sun or the Moon"... but many here claim so....

This site has become more and more a hate site against anything that has to do with the U.S...and there are even Americans who partake in such "hate fests" in these forums and even claim the "U.S. is a dictatorship" but according to some of those same people "we can learn from the healthcare system of the Communist dictatorship in Cuba".....

[edit on 1-8-2007 by Muaddib]