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Originally posted by GLDNGUN
I have a theory of my own concerning giraffes. It goes like this:
EVERY time, and I mean EVERY SINGLE time a female giraffe gives birth, it will be to ANOTHER giraffe. It won't be a deer, a hippo, a zebra, or a leopard, but amazingly another giraffe!
Originally posted by GLDNGUN
So, this guy wants to junk Darwin's theory as well? Well, that's a good start.
I have a theory of my own concerning giraffes. It goes like this:
EVERY time, and I mean EVERY SINGLE time a female giraffe gives birth, it will be to ANOTHER giraffe. It won't be a deer, a hippo, a zebra, or a leopard, but amazingly another giraffe!
This is based upon the theory that God created man and animals to have offspring "of their own kind". Boy am I glad that "theory" is reinforced EVERY time a human or animal gives birth. Can you imagine what a warped place earth would be if every creature born were some sort of mutation between some undetermined species and some other undetermined species? Man, what a mess that would be!
Originally posted by Tiloke
I see what your doing, your making the "Mr. Garrison" argument.
Just because you don't understand how something works, doesn't mean it's not happening.
Originally posted by GLDNGUN
And since everyone is part of some group or another, religious or otherwise, we are all equally dangerous and prone to violence? Right? Therefore, those who want to point fingers at religion and say "they're all bad!" are just as bad, right? Because, they are part of the "anti-religious" group that has a history of violence, right?
That's all warm and cuddly, but we're talking about TODAY. 2007. Right now, Muslim extremists are a much bigger danger to the world than "Christian extremists." Period. There are other groups that are a bigger danger than others at any given time. To ignore or refuse to believe that is to stick one's head in the sand. And that's a prime position to get one's behind kicked.
That's all warm and cuddly, but were talking about TODAY. 1939. Nazi germans are a much bigger danger to the world than "russian communists". Period. There are other groups that are a bigger danger than other at any given time. To ignore of refuse to believe that is to stick one's head in the sand. And that's a prime position to get one's behind kicked.
That's all warm and cuddly, but were talking about TODAY. 1961. Cuban and Russian communists are a much bigger danger to the world than "muslim extremists". Period. blah blah blah.
Originally posted by grimreaper797
If you think pointing the finger at a group saying "they are the bad guys" is going to promote peace, you have no logical abilities at all.
Originally posted by GLDNGUN
Thank you! Thank you for the excellent discussion of MICRO evolution. In EVERY example you just gave, what was the offspring?
A DOG.
Thanks again for reinforcing my point. Yes, you can breed all sorts of dogs and get all sorts of wonderful varieties and EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM WILL BE A DOG. Not a cat, not a skunk, not a bear.
That's the beauty of "variation within a species".
Excellent design I would say.
Originally posted by Rasobasi420
Sometimes I think that Christian extremists are as dangerous as Muslim extremists.
Originally posted by theindependentjournal
And fret not Colorado professors won't be teaching it much longer
, there is a lawsuit coming at the schools for teaching KNOWN LIES which Violtaes Colorado Law.
Originally posted by GLDNGUN
One popular biology textbook used in public schools is "Inquiry Into Life" by Sylvia Mader, published by McGraw-Hill Ryerson. On page 529 are diagrams of giraffes and says "Early giraffes probably had necks of various lengths. Natural selection due to competition led to survival of the longer-necked giraffes and their offspring. Eventually, only long-necked giraffes survived the competition."
Originally posted by GLDNGUN
Uh huh. That was a lovely explanation but did nothing to address WHY the whole giraffe story is laughable. Let me repeat myself...
NO fossil evidence has ever been unearthed showing giraffes with shorter necks.
Originally posted by GLDNGUN
But this can't be true. The government and media wouldn't try to get us to believe in a bunch of lies. Would they?
"Darwinian theory is the creation myth of our culture. It's the officially sponsored, government financed creation myth that the public is supposed to believe in, and that creates the evolutionary scientists as the priesthood...So we have the priesthood of naturalism, which has great cultural authority, and of course has to protect its mystery that gives it that authority--that's why they're so vicious towards critics."
--Phillip Johnson, on the PBS television documentary "In the Beginning: The Creationist Controversy" (May 30-31, 1995)
Originally posted by theindependentjournal
Scientific METHOD means observable and TO KNOW, don't start with yuor tripe thanks.
Originally posted by keeb333
Religion is a scam, orchestrated to contol the populace. There is no credible evidence for any supernatural phenomena, and if there was, it wouldn't be supernatural, now would it?
Originally posted by grimreaper797
60-70 years ago before israel came into existance, we would be saying the same thing about muslim extremists....
...60-70 years ago, history told us muslims would act in violence not because of their religion but because of their history. You can bet the same goes for christians.
More at Source, link on top of this text box:
"I was baptized in a natural spring in the Israeli Galilee outside of the famous mystical city of Safed on 20 June 2000, and now I seek to introduce Jewish people to Jesus Christ, their Messiah whom they don’t yet know."
Originally posted by grimreaper797
Well you won't get much farther apart then maybe zebras and donkeys creating hybrids before complications occur. Animals generally don't have sex with members that far out of their own species because its not part of their urges. Any person who looks at anything other than other human being in a sexual manner displays an obvious mental problem. Its part of our nature to have an urge to produce offspring. Trying to mate with other animals in not in our nature. We don't mate with dogs because it's not part of our physical urge, and physically the offspring would most likely naturally abort, or be so mismatched it never pregnants to begin with.
You can explain your hypothesis through god, choosing not to even read the science side, which is obvious you have decided to do, if you want. But don't come on here, thinking you are going to change anyone mind by regurgitating some popular topic of deabte (giraffe neck)by anti evolution creationist, thinking you are going to change some ones mind, or shed some unique light on the matter.
If you have something original thoughts on the matter, feel free to share them. If you are going to recite an arguement made by a bunch of pro creationist, anti evolution christians you are wasting your time. If I want to find out their arguement, Ill go to their site and read the description. If you want to add something original to the matter, speak up.
Originally posted by johnsky
Wait, wait a minute...
If you claim not to know how evolution works... then how can you possibly argue against it?
This entire time, you've been blindly backing your side of the argument... WITHOUT ONCE STUDYING THE OPPOSING SIDE?
I think I'm going to laugh myself to sleep tonight.
Originally posted by GLDNGUN
You're not making sense. You said: "Hitler could manipulate a person into believing just about anything. He just had that personality to him. He was just an evil person, with leadership qualities, exploiting the weak." Agreed. He manipulated millions into believing in his vision. They were called "Nazis". They intended to spread that vision by force and started to do so in parts of Europe, Asia, and Africa. Since you say Hitler was evil, would not those following his orders be his agents of evil? Can you really not see that the "Nazis" were the "bad guys" in WW2 and needed to be defeated? Just how naive are we going to get here?
www.drbo.org...
4 The weak you have not strengthened, and that which was sick you have not healed, that which was broken you have not bound up, and that which was driven away you have not brought again, neither have you sought that which was lost: but you ruled over them with rigour, and with a high hand. 5 And my sheep were scattered, because there was no shepherd: and they became the prey of all the beasts of the field, and were scattered.
Originally posted by grimreaper797
So now the weak minded are evil? Are you not suppose to tend to the weak, and help them.
You called them "weak minded", not I. Are you suggesting that Hitler was the only evil one and every Nazi was just a poor "weak minded" victim of his? I'm sorry, that dog won't hunt, so your statement is flawed to begin with.
Go tell one of Osama's followers that you don't want to hurt him, you just want to help him because he's a weak-minded follower of an evil man. Weak-minded or evil, either way, the result is likely to be the same - you losing your head.
www.drbo.org...
4 The weak you have not strengthened, and that which was sick you have not healed, that which was broken you have not bound up, and that which was driven away you have not brought again, neither have you sought that which was lost: but you ruled over them with rigour, and with a high hand. 5 And my sheep were scattered, because there was no shepherd: and they became the prey of all the beasts of the field, and were scattered.
Read that carefully. You are expected to help the weak, not condemn them. You are suppose to guide them, not treat them as evil. It is your choice in the end.
Originally posted by GLDNGUN
If you don't stop making my points, the other people on the board are going to think you are creationist "shill". LOL Of course, much of what you say here is true. Just where do you think our "nature" came from? Intelligent design perhaps? Or just a cosmic fluke? Of course, animals of different species can't have offspring. They weren't "designed" to do so. (And what an ugly mess if they did!) Even if you breed a horse with a donkey, you get a sterile mule. There goes that line of evolutionary change.
Uh, if it's such a "popular topic of debate" how come you were so ill prepared as to repeat the mistake of the textbook, even after I explained how the textbook was in error? You were the one asking me if I knew "ANYTHING" about the subject, remember? And now you get to speak on behalf of everyone on the board? I thought you didn't belive in God?!
Uh, I've said plenty of original things. You may not like them, but that's beside the point. I thought we were in pursuit of the truth, but if I'm not the first one ever to notice the glaring problem evolutionists have with giraffes, I shouldn't bring it up? That's a hilarious standard.
So, in conclusion your argument seems to be: "Evolution isn't true? Show me proof! NO, not THAT proof! I mean proof that hasn't already been proven!"
Man, you really need some sleep.
Originally posted by GLDNGUN
Nice scripture. So you would like to apply that to a group of people in WW2? Ok, let's do that. Who were the "weak" that needed "strengthened"? Who were the "sick" that needed to be "healed"? Who was "broken" and "driven away" and "lost"? Who were the "sheep" that were "scattered" and "became the prey of all the beasts of the field"? That's a very fitting description of the Jews. The Nazis killed 6 MILLION of them. Are you going to declare that it was really the Nazis that were weak, sick, broken, needing to be strengthened, scattered, and the prey of all the beasts? You can't be serious. It was a little late for the 6 million that were killed, but, yes, defeating Nazism and freeing the remaining Jews was absolutely the right thing to do at the time.
If you can't even see who were the victims were in WW2, I don't know what else to tell you.
Originally posted by GLDNGUN
The word "probably" is used when there is absolutely NO scientific evidence to back it up.
"probably: adv without much doubt"
"probable: adj likely; to be expected"