Originally posted by lvkyle
Lilblam, you write this stuff out like you read it in a book. It sounds almost exactly like David Icke's INFINITE LOVE IS THE ONLY TRUTH, EVERYTHING
ELSE IS ILLUSION. Except he goes way more in detail and actually presents evidence of his claims.
I never said "infinite love is the only truth, everything else is illusion". I'd replace the word love with consciousness, then I'd agree.
However, it would still only apply to the highest level of reality, not at all to our level. So when New Agers attempt to pass that off as their
"philosophy for living", they're just using it as an excuse to ignore life, to avoid dealing with any problems in life, since none of it
"matters" in their mind, only the "infinite light/love" matters. Ironically, in the future these people become exactly what they give to life -
nothing. The way up is through consciousness and conscious learning, the way down is through entropy, apathy, and ignorance. Trying to get to
consciousness by becoming "unconscious" of reality and just humming something all day won't work very well, and will tend to have the opposite
Your paranoid claims speak clearly of the condition of your conscious mind.
Perhaps. But "paranoid" is a matter of perspective. The question is, which perspective is closer to objective reality, and which is mired in
I believe you had a nervous breakdown in the past and had some sort of spiritual break through in the middle of it.
I believe your mind is still spent all caught up on whatever almost killed you, and figuring it all out. Call it the meaning of life, reality, god,
quantum theory, fear of the unknown and death ect. Take a break and accept things for what they are.
The problem with your request is, how would one know how things REALLY are, as opposed to how they appear to be? If you accept things by their
appearance to you, you're assuming that things really are as they appear to you, that your perception of them is absolute and you cannot possibly be
deceived or mistaken. And yet, from my experience, that is often simply not the case - deception is the rule on this planet, not the exception. You
can never have absolute assurance of how things REALLY are, but once you begin to see that the vast majority of things people believe to be true are
false, you at least begin to get an idea of the depth of the deception.
Claiming the world is going to end in 5 years is just silly and immature from someone in your position. Yes your age and experiences do affect your
creditability so get over it.
You can judge my credibility by my age or anything else if you wish to, it does not change the validity of my claims, only how you perceive them. And
the validity of my claims cannot be determined by how "credible" someone judges me to be and then making an assumption based on that about how
likely my claims are to be valid.
Your twisted idea that life will end in 5 years is really scary.
You can call it "silly", "immature", "twisted", or "scary", but all that is just your subjective judgements. I can call absolutely ANYTHING by
those names, it does not in ANY WAY change the reality of the situation, it only prevents you from being able to see it since you already "defined"
the reality for yourself with your subjective judgements. To see objective reality as it is, no judgements must be made, no assumptions whatsoever.
Ever think this set in stone belief is there simply to watch you fall? Take control man and see the bull# your putting yourself through.
I could ask you the same thing. The REAL question is, which one of us is correct? Saying "well of course I am" does not change the reality, it would
only serve as a self-calming mechanism just like the judgements and assumptions.
I wish you the best and hope you continue to share your thoughts and experiences. What annoys me and probably everyone else is you try and sell your
beliefs as fact.
They're not fact by any means. They may be completely wrong, just as anyone else's beliefs. The question however remains, ARE they wrong? One of the
programs that people tend to run is the "I am right" program, where they convince themselves that their perspective is the RIGHT one and everyone
else MUST be wrong, and so they close themselves off to any possibility that this may not be the case. And as such, close themselves off from any
possibility of discovering the truth, since they define their reality subjectively instead of seeking what is objectively true. The first step is to
stop running that ego-based program of "My perspective is the RIGHT one" or "I am RIGHT" and allow the possibility of being totally wrong, no
matter how it damages the ego in the process, no matter how closely held those beliefs/assumptions may be. It's the only way to ever see what is
And as such, certainly I can be completely and utterly wrong about absolutely everything I ever say or think. Or I may not be. Jumping to conclusions,
making subjective judgements about how "silly" things sound, making assumptions and creating preconceptions, and allowing the ego to dictate what
"reality" is for you (instead of questioning what it REALLY is) all lead away from truth and into illusion.
There are no facts. Many things that are considered "facts" are simply lies. Selling anything as "fact" indicates a disintrest in questioning the
reality of this "fact", it indicates that the person has established the reality in their mind, set it in "stone" as something that cannot be
"touched" and is trying to convince others of the same.
However, I go by probability. I try to assign probabilities to how likely some things are to be true, and how likely they are to be not true. That
takes research and critical thought, not just judgements or assumptions, not because I think it is "silly" or "absurd" just because it goes
against my established perspective and beliefs.
This is dangerous and can come back to bite you in the ass (used against you) if you don't know what you're doing. Which you certainly do not.
Ironically, you just did what you asked me not to - sell your beliefs as fact.
But is this really a certainty, or your personal conviction of certainty where in reality there is none, and instead, is just your self-calming
assumption? "Of course all the horrible things he said cannot possibly be true, he's just crazy and doesn't know what he's doing. Yeah that must
If there is anything I learned, it is that there is no certainty, and to believe that your perspective is absolute or certainly true, or that someone
else is certainly wrong, is always a self-calming lie. As long as we don't have an absolute and totally objective perspective of all things, we can
be wrong, there can always be something we're not seeing or something that is entirely different from how we perceive it to be at the moment. To
pretend otherwise, to pretend that your perspective is CERTAIN to be right, is a self-deception.
And again it always comes down to "what is true?". Being certain of something does not make it true, just makes it true in your head, and prevents
you from questioning the reality of it. The sooner people stop declaring "certainty" and start questioning their beliefs and assumptions, the sooner
they will wake up.
[edit on 18-11-2005 by lilblam]