Originally posted by Leveller
You may think you use logic in your argument, but unfortunately you are arguing against the illogical and therefore your statement is invalid.
There is NOTHING that you can be absolutely certain of. Unless you can state with absolute surety and prove exactly what and who you are, EVERYTHING
is a belief.
Logic may hold force in a world of science but to some degree even that is a belief.
For example, you cannot prove that the world in front of you is not merely a creation of your imagination. You might see it, feel it and think that
you comprehend it, but you cannot prove 100% that it exists exactly as you understand it to.
Therefore you HAVE to hold a belief. True, knowledge is the ultimate, but not one person who has ever lived has managed to convince the whole of
humanity that he has achieved that ultimate. Belief does not necessarily stand in the way of truth - it could even be used as a stepping stone.
And unfortunately you are incorrect in your statement. Not believing is still believing in something.
Belief is defined in the dictionary as:
"Something believed or accepted as true, especially a particular tenet or a body of tenets accepted by a group of persons."
Are you able to tell 100% when something is a lie? Unless you can, you hold a belief.
You said my argument is invalid. Let's see if I can offer a comment to that..
You say there's nothing I can be absolutely certain of. Ok, but why does that mean I have to make things up to put in place of stuff I am NOT certain
of? You say if I'm not 100% sure about something then I have a belief about that something. I'd have to disagree. If I am not 100% sure about
something, I wouldn't say that I know what it is, and I'll say that based on my observations/data, it appears to be "whatever it is" but I can be
wrong. I never said I believe it is. I simply offered a logical deduction based on what I do know. Do I believe I am right? No.
I cannot prove that the world is NOT an illusion. Fine. But why do I have to believe that it's not? Why can I just say "I see this and that in this
thing that appears to be a planet" but honestly I have no idea, we could be inside The Matrix for all I know. So I won't BELIEVE people who say
it's NOT an illusion, because I dunno. I don't assume one way or another. I just say I don't know.
You said belief can be a stepping stone for truth... only in trial and error. "I believe this car can pass the intersection without crashing into
another one" ... and then it does pass without harm and you claim "See, believing helped me in figuring out the truth!". How is belief a stepping
stone? Science and invention are based on ideas and then experimentation. Before people invented stuff like electricity, they had an idea and possibly
mathematical data that shows the idea could work. But they didn't tell you they KNEW it was gonna work before they tested it. They didn't NEED to
believe anything. They had data, and they did tests, and it worked. Bam! Imagination is not belief. Only the conviction that what you imagine is TRUE,
Not believing is still believing in something? Well I can KNOW something, and then it means I don't believe in it if I know it 100% as you said. Well
what if I know 100% that belief is illogical/foolish/ignorant/gullible?