Is it possible Hitler survived?

If Hitler and Eva and others that were to leave with them and
were still there up till the last few days... I heard there was three or
four escape routes.

Then if they did leave before, we would still be fed Bull stories
from US and UK Intel units.
We would be fed by Intel no matter what.

ATS member brotherthebig has a youtube video collection
of posted images that has the famous Hitler in South America
photo.

Hitler was still a national treasure and many still looked like him.
Hitler look way too old at times and might have been a double.

(YMCA Song)
adolf hitler (parody)
www.youtube.com...

Taken down.. too bad some examples of his double were in it.
If you have a copy let me know.

Lets say the Nazis knew how to work it and worked over Truman
and the Intel community knew what the the super weapons were.

reply to post by Conspiracy Theorist


I'm open to the possibility, but think it unlikely. I think that if he did somehow escape, other high ranking nazis would have known of it... and sold him out to save their own hides. But... ya never know

Yeah, this becomes too interesting.
There must be hundreds of book on this subject.
Yeah, how he committed suicide.

Armin Lehmann, the Wiki page:
en.wikipedia.org...

The Wiki story on him and sounds Intel influenced.
I start to wonder if the real Hitler was ever there at
all "in the last days". That is starting to sound preposterous.
Would Bush stay in the White House if an attack on Washington
DC was going to take place. There had to be a safe house for
Hitler if he were to escape, as some say is a statement
attributed to Stalin, so why make a big show of going to go
Berlin. Especially as an unrecognizable Hitler. He never showed
up at the center of government according documentaries from
the day he was elected.

ED:
indb Armin D. Lehmann

Google: Armin Lehmann


[edit on 10/18/2008 by TeslaandLyne]

reply to post by Arthur Fuxake


From your post:

Nuremberg judge Michael Mussmanno said in his book "Ten Days to Die," "Russia must accept much of the blame [to the extent that it still exists] that Hitler did not die in May 1945."

Blame it on Russia. That's a laugh when it was most likely US and UK
Intel in charge of ending the war with as many weapons secrets and
scientists as possible and destroying anything useful to the Russians.
Getting the blueprints and documents and smashing any hardware.
Even escorting weapons handlers behind Allied lines.

Toward the end, was Hitler even running the country? It is difficult to answer and there were many of his ranking generals and powerful barons who did not like how Hitler ran things. His ideas might have been liked, but his personal leadership style was not. Many of Hitler's most powerful leaders and the powers behind the throne were able to escape from Germany or if they stayed, from any kind of prosecution.

One man did not run Germany. There was a cabal that ran her, and most of their descendants run things now.

Clip number: 2026-137
License type: Rights-ready
Filmmaker: Film Audio Services
Collection: Archive Films
Caption: B/W 1945 PAN Adolf Hitler walking with officials in last days before death / newsreel
Clip length: 00:00:05:01

/5r5j9k
or
B/W 1945 PAN Adolf Hitler walking with officials in last days before death / newsreel

Yeah, Hitler doesn't looked messed up in the Gettyimages clip of
public domain film and charging for it.
The US Government captured this film from Germany, hundreds
died for this footage.
Spoils of war.
Needless to say Germany sent their reels over here for propaganda for
investment opportunities on gold and technology.
There is a document on the web on all the pasteurization and other
processes advances by Germany.
Hope Getty made a profit and keeps on as long as they can keep
secrets hidden.

Theres no way Hitler made it out of Berlin. He stayed there as he was screwed either way. There was no way the Soviets or the USA would have let that prize get away from them. Even if he did, he's most likely been dead for at least a few decades.

reply to post by kidflash2008


No, he wasn't running it.
(Speer and, secondarily, Goebbels were; Goering tried to, so did others.)

But he still was adored by many.
And adoration has nothing to do with competency or even personal liking.
People can, and very often do, adore persons whom they don't really LIKE.

Besides, in the event of a return to power (of the regime), he could have been used as the necessary icon - or simulacrum - of continuity by those around him, regardless of their feelings for them.

OK, I am digressing now...






[edit on 18-10-2008 by Vanitas]

I reckon there's a good chance he may have survived, after all it is possible if you are in the know how, to disappear underground the rest of your life without a trace...after all Cosa Nostra have been doing it for years.

But at same time i reckon there's also a good chance, if not higher chance he did perish then.

reply to post by Vanitas


You are correct on that note. It is true the remains have never been tested with DNA (Hitler does have relatives alive who could donate theirs for a match), and there is the possibility someone could have died in his place. If he did survive, he lived out his life in South America, probably Argentina.

This is one that will probably never be truly solved.

reply to post by kidflash2008


Right... he DOES have relatives living.
(And even the remains of his sister who has been dead for a long time could provide a source of DNA, should it be needed.)

Why haven't they run an analysis, "just to be sure", I wonder?

I'll repeat my personal opinion that it is HIGHLY unlikely he escaped, or even wanted to do so.
But I still wonder... why not analyse the DNA?

Originally posted by adrenochrome

But this was not the only bombshell Otto Skorzeny delivered that day in late-1999. Skorzeny, producing a shoe box full of 60-years worth of his personal photographs, showed them to Berman, describing each one in great detail. The collection featured a photo of a young, majestic Skorzeny in full S.S. Nazi military dress, next to his Führer, Adolph Hitler. Then there were photos of Reinhard Gehlen (S.S. spy and assassin) Dr. Joseph Mengele (the “Angel of Death”) Martin Bormann (Hitler aide and S.S. assassin) and Adolph Hitler (photographed in 1997 at age 107).

The Hitler photo was taken during a “reunion” at the Lake McDonald Lodge in Glacier National Park, Montana, on August 27, 1997. According to Skorzeny, Adolph Hitler was alive and well in the U.S. in 1997!

www.proliberty.com...

has anyone verified this??

This is very interesting indeed. Can anybody shed any light on this article? Or provide further links? I'm off to do some searching.

OP asks is it possible. The answer is a resounding yes.
See the movie "Boys From Brazil" for a chill.

Some questions are never fully answered.. because the answer will not be
one to support the commonly known 'truth' perhaps.

Otto Skorzeny is an interesting person but I feel the the Wiki page
on him has more truth than that article of fantasy.

Bill Lyne apparently feels that Otto provided gold to Evita for a foot hold
in South America and stole it back to help SS officers escapng Germany.
You won't see that at Wiki most likely and perhaps is the personal research
of Bill Lyne .


If you take the hiddenmysteries link in my sig you will find Hitler perhaps
commanding the last days of the War from a Zeppelin and being invited
to America by the end of the 60s.

Interesting historical fiction perhaps but with so many telling us what
has never been told before that can't be substantiated, its only one way
to figure what happened to Hitler alive.

ED: Mostly true is that the Tesla's death circumstances are shrouded in
mystery. But lets not talk about that.

[edit on 10/20/2008 by TeslaandLyne]

Originally posted by TeslaandLyne


/5r5j9k
or
B/W 1945 PAN Adolf Hitler walking with officials in last days before death / newsreel

Google search
Google :

Hitler's Last Day
Planning to commit suicide since he'd entered the bunker, the day after his wedding Hitler penned his last will and testament. Most of the rambling document ...
www.mikekemble.com/ww2/hitler.html - 33k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this

www.mikekemble.com...

The link with photo of last day's Hitler... or Hitler double.

The double was so happy to play Hitler ... and perhaps die
for him. Yeah.. that guy would need some drugs and mk ultra
work overs.

Never smiling....or Always smiling... Hint Hint... Real Hitler.. Fake Hitler

And gets Married to die... poppycock.. he had a job well done
and does what the rest of the movie stars do after making
millions.. gets married and settles down.


Google: Hitlers double

Originally posted by Conspiracy Theorist
Arthur, welcome to ATS.

That is a very well presented post. Thank you for your input. I think it weighs heavily towards hitler surviving the Battle of Berlin.


But what do you propose he did with the rest of his life?

Honestly, he founded the NEOCON branch of the GOP that sprang Bush Sr., his father, Bush Jr, Thompson, Guiliani, Cheney, and others. THAT ideology, that SOME are more PURE than others, more CENTERED than others, with the "Pro American" view, with the "Real Virginia" comments, and other examples. I am starting to FORMULATE that the GOP is either heavily inspired by the BAD Hitler, Nazis, Gustapo used (like the SITH, they seem like part of the country but are in it for themselves, and even TURN on themselves) or were COACHED early on by Hitler. THINK of it, after WWII, how DID the GOP change? HONESTLY? How did the U.S. change it's world outlook? Geneva Conventions? Bush and Cheney don't care. NOW, after so many years of tricking everyone, using fear, and MOBILIZING a SYMBOL of their "Master U.S. Citizen" campaign they always run, with the "Us and THEM" crap, then the "PATRIOTIC" talk, it is WELL HIDDEN but it is there. Obama is THE symbol of what they hate in every single way, so was JFK, so was MLK. If I have to choose a side, I'll gladly choose MLK, JFK, and Obama currently. UNLESS Obama does things to convince me otherwise.

i think hitler quite possibly did escape but if so and if he is dead, no body has come up yet. no corpse if he has died, maybe the cia got to him first?

I watched a program recently where Hilter wa taken eventually to the US and that he ws seen on a number of occasions in the US at dinner parties etc. I suppose anything is possible, many Germans were taken to the US Uk so anything is possible, the question would be why, for what purpose.

Lets just say he did, he was not a rocket scientist or anything like that but would he serve any other purpose like setting up a American thousand year reich?

They knew Stalen would never rest if he had the slightest suspecion that Hitler was still alive, however, he was burned beyond identication... officially ... I suspect he died a doddering ole fool in a retirement villa in Florida or Argentina down that way.

reply to post by thebox


Otto Skorzeny died in 1975.

So I call bovine scat.

It doesn't matter if Hitler lived or died though after WW2, his image and name has become immortal. National Socialism survived the war. Fascism survived the war. Its just dormant and waiting for the opportunity in chaos to awaken in desperate times.

If anything the Reich, if it still survives, is a secret society. ODESSA (the SS) and Paladin Group were alive in the 1970s under Skorzeny. It was involved in Operation Condor, worked with clandestine lodges like P2, and probably survived with the Stay Behind Operation groups, like Gladio, up until the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991.

After that I have no idea what happened, but something that has shades of Reich seems to pop up every once in awhile since the War on Terror has started.

One of the best examples is Villa Baviera in Chile where in 2005 large arms caches were found, evidence of biological experiments, and the former presence of Josef Mengele at the site when he was still alive. It could of been considered a Black Site.

Colonia Dignidad-Villa Baviera
en.wikipedia.org...

In addition to that much of the modern New Age movement has shades of Nazi Occultism.

So regardless of Hitler, the ideas are far from dead.