Originally posted by WeBDeviL
I have fully read and understood your posts: lilblam. Now, onto my arguement.
You see, your arguement is all physical laws and explanations. God is NOT physical, his son, Jesus Christ, BECAME physical, and there IS PHYSICAL EVIDENCE of a man named Jesus Christ existing. God is a spiritual thing, not a him/her. God is addressed as a him for the sake of confusion. Now, your arguement is credible, with physical laws and theories disproving God - only one problem. God is not physical, again. God is infinite. God has always been, and always will be. This is not something ANY human can clearly comprehend. Yes, you can say infinity is never ending, but that is not the meaning for God. God has always been and always will be, he is the ultimate creator. Humans cannot comprehend this because humans have beginnings and ends, we ARE NOT infinite, and God is. This is what makes him more powerful than us. Another thing - you say that "not even NOT seeing God after death will convince you" Well..uh..buddy..have you died and not seen him? No. That is what I thought. Until you die and come back to life, do not be making this assumption. You ASSUME that you will not see a God, you do not KNOW. Put that back from where you got it! That ends that arguement.
If none of this convinces you, here is a tough one. You cannot disprove or prove this statement. The statement of FAITH. God requires faith. A blind leap of faith is what God is. You must believe, in order to understand. I read your arguement, now read mine. Stop trying to disprove God with physical evidence, because it cannot be done. In order for you to disprove him, here is what you need to do.
Step 1: DIE
Step 2: See if there is a heaven and hell
Step 3: If there is a heaven and hell, see God.
Step 4: If there is no heaven and hell, go to step 5
Step 5. COME BACK ALIVE, and prove to us that there is no God.
But, wait! If there is no heaven and hell, and no afterlife, then you will not be seeing anything, will you? A lot of it requires some faith...it seems that you don't have this. . .
"we find God was NOT satisfied. He was not self sufficient, nor happy. God was lonesome, so he made at least a son and a ghost to keep him company."
OK, now one thing. WHERE in the Bible does it say that God was LONELY!! That is a ignorant statement. No where does it say that God was lonely. This is your interpretation. You find me the scripture, passage, chapter, etc, and I'll look it up. Come on, PROVE it to me
[Edited on 1-1-2004 by WeBDeviL]
Thanks for the reply. I respect you opinion, but I must also respectfully disagree on some aspects of it. First of all, I am not trying to prove God doesn't exist in physical means. This man brought up non-physical God and demonstrated why he cannot exist. But if that didn't do it for ya, there's more. Jesus, the Son of God, is apparently self-proclaimed son of God. I can say I am anything I want, it won't make it so. You say God has always been and always will be? That means he cannot create anything. He would have to be around for exactly INFINITY of time before he created ANYTHING. Do you agree with that assertion? It's perfectly mathematical. You can't throw around mathematical terms like infinity and then throw all logic away. Infinity means both ways. You can never wait around for infinity and then create something. What was he doing for exactly INFINITY of time? He can't go through infinity.. that's mathematically impossible. You can only go throw an infinite amount of time, but if there's infinity ahead of you no matter if you are God or not, you will NEVER create anything. Why? Because you'd wait infinity of time before you do. Tell me if this is too confusing. I can put it in better terms.
If he wasn't lonesome, then why the hell would he create ANYTHING? For fun? Well that means he couldn't entertain himself existing infinitely in a vacuum of nothingness. Must get boring!
Now you say God requires faith in order to understand him? Santa requires belief to know him also. Is belief = faith. Or are they different. Please clarify. Did you read the post right above that's rather lengthy titled BELIEF OR THINK. That one shows you what belief really is. If you disagree please tell me and why you disagree.
Do you think it's possible for humans to NEVER believe anything and still live and be just fine? If not, why not.