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Originally posted by elitewolverine
Originally posted by lilblam
Why is it that when I say God doesn't exist, people automatically assume that I accept the "everything happened by accident and all things in the universe just accidentally, randomly, came into place" THEORY! I DO NOT! This is NOT what I know, it's also not what I say. Pleeeease don't assume that! Just because you may know of 2 theories, doesn't mean it has to be either one or the other. It could be neither! God didn't create the universe, and the universe also didn't accidentally come into being. Maybe I should leave it like this and see if (hypothetically) someone can come up with a way the universe can exist if it's not an accident, and it wasn't purposely created by some God.
becuase what you just said is not faith therefore it can only be one thing science, and since sience cannot explain the existence of the universe, and probably never will till we have a time machine, which by current understanding still is impossible, and the fact that the present universe, you and everything in it defy the laws of physics.
so there is two options faith or science and since science as of right now will never be able to explain how something came from nothing there leaves only one thing GOD or Gods depending on how you view it.
so to presume that since you do not believe in a god, then you must believe science, is pure logic and well correct because there is only two choices.
and to take it further if you do not believe in anything science nor god then how can you sit here and argue about it, unless your on a journey to find god or science to be right, and since according to science everything comes from chaos including order, the universe did happen by 'accident' throwing your other idea right out the window....
so now choose science or god, you can choose both, as i have....but you cannot choose neither because just like in one dimension there is only two sides.
Originally posted by lilblam
Originally posted by WeBDeviL
Ah..now that New Year's is over..and I am back to fight again
Now, I was pondering this when I logged off yesterday night. Your arguement, lilblam, highly depends on the laws of the physical realm. But! Here's the catch. God is not OF the physical realm. The laws of physics and logic do not apply to him, as he is the ultimate, the alpha and omega. You argued that mathematical laws say that nothing cannot create something. Sure, that is true for the physical world and humans, as we are all created by another. Oh, where did the first humans come from, if nothing cannot create something? They evolved you might argue, sure, they did. But what about the beings they evolved from? And the beings that evolved from them..it keeps going back, until there is but a single organism..but what created the organism? If nothing cannot create something, where did it come from? Something put it there.
What I am getting at is that you are trying to disprove a non-physical being with physical laws, it cannot be done.
"Nothing cannot create something"
Again, God is ultimate infinity. We CANNOT comprehend that, and cannot explain it, either. Stop trying to disprove God with physical laws, when he is not physical!
"That is logically refutable to be FALSE and silly and a great"
AGAIN! You rely on the physical laws and rules! God IS NOT OF THE PHYSICAL REALM, GET OVER IT! Logic to you might not apply to him, understand?
Free will: God gave us Free will to do what we please. Sure, if we ask for help, he may interfer. This is what prayers do. If you don't ask for help, he won't help. God HAS a plan. Ask and you will receive.
"Jesus walked on water"
"Jesus brought life to a man who was dead"
^ That is the ultimate proof, how is there no God if this man did this? Surely no mere human can, can you?
Wow, lilblam, I sense some problems in your life, do I not? Many of these posts seem very very shallow, indeed. Your post about "Not feeling with your heart, buddy" Yeah, I did not mean that literally, you seem to be a very shallow and literal person, a person who "doesn't believe until they see" That is what I am getting here..
Like Shoktek said, you are assuming that God requires OUR mathematically correct laws, do you not?
Another reason that I believe you seem rather literal and shallow..
You explain "love" and "hate" with 'chemical reactions' that are triggered within the body. That is how you explain that away. Well, explain why we feel beauty in some certain things, and not others, all humans are different. If we were mere 'animals' like all the rest, we wouldn't all have individual needs and wants. All snakes are just that snakes. All dogs are just that - dogs. You feed a dog with dog food, it is going to eat it. They have primal senses, we are beyond that. We sense and know some things that cannot be explained..beauty, love, hatred, rage, fighting for what you believe in..on top of that..
[Edited on 1-1-2004 by WeBDeviL]
Great argument, but your premise is that something had to come out of something. If it's not God who put it there, then where did the FIRST race come from. Well... you ASSUME that there was a first. What if, everything that exists, has always existed, and always will exist, and there is no Alpha/Omega. It never started and will never end? It only cycles for eternity! So no one had to create anything, it always was. And math isn't physical, it's logical.
All that you see that exists, has always existed and always will exist, it's just your perception of "time" that's illusory. Your perception is that of time being real, which it's not. What do you think of that so far? I can give you evidence towards that also.
Originally posted by lilblam
There is a fundemental problem with my argument, or anyone else's in this post. The definition of what IS God is missing. The existance or lack of it depends on what one defines as God. Creator of existance?So what kind of God can possibly EXIST? Well, in order to be ALL-POWERFUL, you would by necessity have to be EVERYTHING THAT EXISTS...
Therefore, God has to be ALL THAT EXISTS in order to be aware of all that exists, otherwise he could only be aware of a large CHUNK, but never EVERYTHING. Everything that exists HAS NO LIMIT, just like a number line.
All I ask is that (whoever is reading this) you simply THINK about these ideas, and do not rush. Give it time to sink in, play with these ideas, take them apart, examine them individually, then mentally place them together again. Even if you are religious, will you be punished just for READING and THINKING about ideas?
When God created individualized units of LIGHT called "I AM" he gave us two gifts. Free will and existence. The Universal Law of Infinity is an expression of these gifts...
Infinity is the continuity of existence and immortality is the continuity of consciousness. The great holy works of our time teach and inspire this truth through images of omniscience, eternity and immortality...
The Hindu’s describe the physical plane as maya, the illusion. This is true, although most men and women walking the earth identify most strongly with the physical world. The illusion is in the seeming separation between one another. Energy is slowed down enough so the five senses can receive the information, the brain can process the information and the conscious mind can comprehend the experience...
Simply put infinity is everywhere, everything, all that is, was and is to come. Infinity is the beginning and the end. It is formless and includes all form. Infinity is eternal, immortal, omniscient, omnipresent and everlasting. All that comprises consciousness - Awareness, Energy, Breath, Creation and Self have everlasting existence. Duality, formlessness, form, attention and love are key elements to understanding how and why the Universal Law of Infinity manifests and exists.
Our essence is Light. I Am experiences in the form we know as Mind. The superconscious mind can be diagrammed like this. The superconscious can exist on its own. In the superconscious is the seed idea for enlightenment. Pure consciousness, cosmic consciousness, unification and oneness are the state of mind in this division. It is the part of mind that is closest to the Creator.
Originally posted by AD5673
Energy couldn't have come from anywhere. So there is a God.
Originally posted by Jonna
Are we spinning around on this wheel again? By its very definition, you can not prove something that can not be tested and retested to aquire the same results.
Don't get me wrong as I love debating this, but we are not debating as much as just blindly arguing in a reactionary way.
PS Truelies---If you are refering to the artical from yahoo news yesterday, the individual only proved it to 67%.