what happens when you back someone into a corner?
[edit. sorry bad taste.. just saw a news update and he actually says it ]
Many of these kids are bullying victims but that issue is ignored after they snap.
Wrong, most of these kids that go on shooting sprees are bullied. Same with the workplace shooting. Not just many, most. Probably in the high 90's.
This factor is repeatedly ignored and I will tell you why. Because it would require society and these kids who did the bullying to take some ownership
for what their actions caused.
When these tragedies happen, most of society is so busy grieving and crying for the victims, they never take the time to ask, did any of the actions
of these children cause the end result or the outcome that happened? Apparently it's not the tasteful thing to do, because we don't want to be seen
as blaming the victims, so society goes on and on, about how sick and disturbed these people were. We use ever scrap of evidence in our arsenal to
paint a picture of a sick disturbed individual, cause we know that normal people just don't do these sorts of things right?
Now.. I do not in any way think some being bullied justifies them going on murdering rampages but if a mentally vulnerable/unstable person is
under constant persecution.. what happens when you back someone into a corner?
Forget vulnerable and unstable, if you put a normal healthy well adjusted person in these conditions for years at a time, it will bring about results
like this, until we acknowledge this, and have the guts to face this, we are not getting any closer to stopping this stuff from happening, and I am
frankly tired of these school shootings, which I think can be prevented to some degree, but not by the methods being employed now, and not by even
more police state tactics.
I was just surprised at the plays that apparently got him sent to the guidance councilor. In one situation it might have caused people to think that
he was a little quirky and yet had a sense of humour, in this situation they may well have begun a spiral that lead to the events of this week.
Young adult writes plays for creative writing class, class mates say play is disturbing, they think he could be the next school shooter, they tell the
professor, who agrees and sends kid for psychological evaluation. Kids continue to blow play out of preparation, before you know it, every one on
campus knows what a whack job he is. Then he like some girls follow them around, but because everyone knows he's a whack job, they get scared, who
would not, and they report it. No charges are pressed, however because they see him as harmless?
Well two years of loneliness isolation, by the people who are saying they reached out to him, could have an effect on someone. I am wondering how much
reaching out you are doing to someone who you are calling the next school shooter behind their back or to their face? The statements of how people
tried to reach out to him are so hypocritical. We always said he was going to be the next school shooter, then in the next sentence, we tried to
befriend him. Yeah, and then they wonder why he spurned their advances for friendship.
I am not defending the shooting, but I think people are just not seeing their ability to stop these things from happening. It does not take rocket
science, if you ostracise someone, and call them the next school shooter, and act accordingly, you have a very good chance of creating the next school
Even in the video he is like you did this. He calls them snobby. If they were so friendly and always reaching out to him, why does he think they were
snobs? Two sides to every story. I am so tired of hearing the same side from the school shooters who do leave videos behind.
The feelings of betrayal, being spit upon and mistreated, and the rest of society then trying to pass them off as whack jobs. At what stage did he
start acting funny? Was it after his oh so frightening plays were reported to the school, and had him labeled as a whack job? If we don't did deeper
and look for the real answers, we will be back here again and again looking for the answers and I personally would rather not have to do this.
I wish that society would take more personal responsibility for some portions of these events, especially when we do know that bullying does seem to
play a hugh role in so many of these school shootings. However anyone who is deemed different or outside of what some consider the norm, are still
humiliated, and when they act out, they are then the ones sent for evaluations, and deemed dangerous. Has anyone wondered about a society that acts in
such a fashion, and what's wrong with a society like that? I guess nothing, because then that would mean a hugh self examination, and taking
ownership and responsibility for some of the things that are happening.
If you take the time to read what these kids are leaving behind, they all sound very similar. Except we are told that they are disturbed nut jobs and
are then trained to ignore anything they say, which might help us prevent the next school shooting. Hello, what we are doing is not working. We
obviously should be looking at other approaching, and taking into consideration what some of these former human beings were saying about what caused
them to reach the breaking point, so that we can prevent others from doing the same.
I just think that more can be done to stop these sorts of things. I think that teacher who took him aside and collaborated a play with him, and got
him to express some of what was going on, was on the right track. Had that teacher not retired and still be around, maybe that one thing would have
been the difference in helping to stop what happened this week. I can't say for sure, and I don't want to speculate, but I do think that more can be
done. I don't think this there is nothing we could have done is flying that well.
They all saw him as a psycho for the longest time and now that is all we will hear. What about high school, was he also weird there, or was he maybe
just another normal student? Maybe there was something wrong with him, but when so much of what he is saying is mirroring other kids who have taken
the same actions, then maybe we should wake up to that, and take other actions, that might actually work.
[edit on 19-4-2007 by Harassment101]