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reply posted on 12-1-2008 @ 08:22 PM by Matyas
I really don't think it matters what space agency maps it, the results are going to be the same.

And even if the RVers got ahold of it, that still does not change the data.

So whatever the dancing ghost rings may be, we should withhold judgment until we actually get there.

edit on hold

[edit on 1/12/2008 by Matyas]


reply posted on 13-1-2008 @ 10:56 AM by ArMaP
reply to post by Cyberbian


I suppose this is the presentation from that press-conference.

I only found it today.


reply posted on 13-1-2008 @ 07:59 PM by Orion437
marsrovers.nasa.gov...

marsrovers.nasa.gov...

marsrovers.nasa.gov...

Credit: Associazione Lunar Explorer Italia







(removed broken link)

[edit on 29-5-2008 by Jbird]


reply posted on 18-1-2008 @ 06:29 PM by ArMaP
reply to post by WingedOne



This is a good example of why I don't like that site.

First, the image used here is a copy of the original one posted on the official site, but it was saved with a stronger compression, making it look worse than it really is.

Second, when he says:
Of course the above fourth image evidence sourced from the official black and white browse image doesn't really match the above official description but that may change with the much closer view MRO JP2 images. However, they require a large file size special graphics viewer that I doubt many of you will avail yourself of and so we'll stick here with the lesser quality browse images so that most of you who wish to can easily follow behind me. Now check out the next image below.

it looks like he does not want people to see the original, lossless JP2 file.

The IAS viewer is two clicks away, and there are some programs (including Photoshop and the free kdu_show from Kakadu Software) that can read JP2 files, why make it look like a difficult or complex process by saying "I doubt many of you will avail yourself of" ?

And obviously, the original data, the one on the JP2 file, shows a much better image.

This is more or less the same area viewed with IAS viewer (that has a handy way of saving the image like we see it on screen) with a 12.5% zoom.


This is with a 50% zoom, and, as you can see and as expected, it looks much better than the fuzzy JPEG used.


How can I see that site as a honest attempt to decipher Mars mysteries when it only shows that he does not even want to have the trouble to use an online viewer like IAS viewer?

I, that do not own any site but am interested in Mars, have downloaded and put on DVDs (up to this day) 768 images from HiRISE, why doesn't he do the same? They are free!


reply posted on 18-1-2008 @ 06:48 PM by rikriley
reply to post by ArMaP



ArMap sometimes it is easier to hide the truth. This particular photo as you know with original high resolution is phenominal and if a person can see in 3D they would relize why. Rik Riley


reply posted on 29-5-2008 @ 06:41 PM by Oreyeon
Originally posted by Xtal_Phusion
Too little energy is generated through anoxygenic photosynthesis. By default, this leaves us MICROORGANISMS! Chlorobium, otherwise known as green sulfur bacterium would be a good example. Most likely, however chemical constraints (pressure, temp, desiccation, etc.) would require reliance on a type of metabolism called chemoautotrophy. On Earth, microbes called extremophiles are clustered in a domain of life called Archaea (not the same as regular bacteria or "Eubacteria"). It is generally accepted that these are among the most ancient forms of cellular life on Earth today. Metabolic processes in this group can be very bizarre. Methanogens generate methane gas from simple hydrocarbons (i.e., methanol, ethanol), others live at very high/low pH, others still live at hydrothermal vents on the ocean floor where temperatures reach 130C or more. The most unusual is a polyextremophile called Deinococcus radiodurans. This bug surivived exposure to space outside the shuttle in orbit, makes a habit out of living in cooling tanks with spent rods at nuclear power plants and contains multiple copies of genes on circular DNA that stacks like a lifesaver to facilitate repair of broken fragments! This is true science and even more incredible than most realize! If you want to talk about life on Mars, how about discussing bugs that metabolize hydrogen and live deep beneath the Martian soil? They may not even HAVE DNA in their genomes! Think about it! According to the RNA world hypothesis, RNA was used before DNA and protein (performs the functions of both biomolecules to a less efficient degree & is still needed for many intermediate steps). A few groups are even working on other possible genetic systems and those are PNA (peptide backbone), TNA (threose backbone) and GNA (glycerol). Shall I outline some thermodynamic equations to demonstrate the differences between oxygenic and anoxygenic photosynthesis?


Who in the hell says that life has to adhere to what our "Science" says life should adhere to? As a species, we're relatively stupid, and infantile. We base our beliefs on what we know, and well, we don't know a whole hell of alot in the grand scheme of things. You can tout "Genius" all you want, be the smartest person on earth, but you STILL don't know everything. Fact.
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