Forest on Mars !?!?, page 2
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reply posted on 8-4-2007 @ 08:47 AM by undo
Aye, that was the name of the thread "Mars: An Alpine Vacation"
here:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Here's one that isn't trees but is still unique:
I called it:

A Chorus Line


And this very strange one:



reply posted on 8-4-2007 @ 10:43 AM by V Kaminski
For WOGIT: Google Mars Some of the ESA photos over the last year or so do show "green" in Valles Marinaris. Too bad the pixel per meter count is so low.

Cheers,

Vic


reply posted on 8-4-2007 @ 11:44 AM by blue bird
* Mars 'tree'



Branches?



"I'm 95% convinced that there's no other conclusion..... I fully agree that this is close to incontrovertible evidence of large present or past 'tree-like' organisms on Mars. I do not believe that these will be explained as 'geological features' or illusions. Only closer-in imaging will decide the matter."


* "Compare Mars "trees" with Earth trees "

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*

Banyan tree (Ficus benghalensis).
"Large-canopied tree. One planted 200 years ago in the Calcutta Botanic Garden (India) has a crown of average diameter over 430 feet."or 127 meters, more than 1 hectare. One in Sri Lanka covers over 2 acres or 1 hectare


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reply posted on 8-4-2007 @ 12:15 PM by zeeon
I don't mean to be condensending, or ignorant - but guys, what exactly is the point of this endeavor?

If there was life on mars - It would be such a discovery that I seriously, SERIOUSLY doubt the government would be able to cover it up. I personally am intrigued by life beyond our planet - hell I'm an amateur astronomer to boot - but I just can't grasp the concept of looking through sat imagery of mars looking for .... what exactly?

As far as you guys bashing on the self proclaimed expert on biorganisms - I think we need to keep in mind WHY we *should* use the methodology of comparing our (IE Earths) enviromental and biological properties to other planets. Last time I checked Earth was the only planet that contained life as we know it. How can you except to discover real, valid life on another planet if you don't know what your looking for? Do you expect to look at a forest on mars then *POOF* all of a sudden a martian appears before you and says "Guess what bro! You found me!" Come on!

The only basis we actually have for discovering life in the universe is comparing our model of life on Earth to other planets. It's all there is. You can sit there all day and hypothesize - but where will that get you? A free ticket to fantasy land and no closer to the truth than if you had just gone to sleep and dreamed it all. I'm not being closed minded at all - I'm being realistic.

So please, although Mr. Expert was indeed rude and condensending - he has a VALID point. I ask all of you who consistantly post threads about "OMG LIFE ON MARS" to re-think your position and ask yourself honestly - what am I going to achieve by making yet another thread on supposed life on mars.

- zeeon


reply posted on 8-4-2007 @ 12:22 PM by David2012
Originally posted by thedangler
if it is a forest those trees would be huge.
take a comparison picture using google earth from the same distance see if thye look similar. i doubt it.


Enough absolutely huge trees in the fossil record, as for living? no idea, how big do redwoods look on google?
Mars gravity is slightly less, allowing for bigger trees... theoretically.
Also I haven't seen anything on the "trees" that conclusively indicates height..
How about somekind of giant moss... or giant spore/mushrooms.. what was that biggest lifeform on earth.. a few miles across. of mushroom? (will look it up later)

As for the pictures, beautifull pictures..
Mars though also has huge plumes that rise on occassion, maybe those?
As there's no colour information I don't think you can conclude much. If they had all the raw color information, I would be interested what analysis/color corrections by Keath Laney would yield on this..

Originally posted by WOGIT
Some great pic's !!
Does NASA not have a sat in orbet of mars that could take some very up close pic's of just about any spot on Mars that could tell everyone once and for all what the heck is realy there ?
I for one am hopeing google with all its money can one day soon bring us google mars , or at the very least a google moon.


I would expect them to have, so either they don't have one or they really are not telling us everything...
I just would not know why? if mars is greenier, and has plant life, such a news item with color pics etc.. would be absolutely sweet news... so why hide it.. erm..... straying sorry, on topic again.

Really wish they were colored, including a well colored part of the craft taking the picture, in frame (color reference, in case adjustments are needed like on the mars surface (see Keith Laney, he does some wonderfull work on mars images, in a scientific way without any manual coloring, i won't expain here. But revealed snow/white stuff, where without correction it looks like part of the ground. just to give an example...)

Beautiful picks but trees? or even life? in all honesty could be a lot of things higher on the probability list that we would need to look at first. If we want to keep any research scientific around here.
And decent source material, greyscale photo's can only tell you so much.

Originally posted by zeeon
I don't mean to be condensending, or ignorant - but guys, what exactly is the point of this endeavor?


I'm enjoying wonderful beautiful pictures tbh, and allow myself to indulge a little. Also There has been a lot of evidence in more qualitfied circles that in the least form, the colors are very off on mars surface pictures.
You can verify this by looking on e.g. pathfinder pics at the logo's on the vehicles. some colors are invisible.. flushed out... so to see the correct colors you need to color correct.. this revealed amongst other things, blue (blueish at times) skies on Mars, a lot more color distinction on ground objects (not all the rocks look red anymore), white snowish deposits (flushed in the background, by oversaturated red) and a lot more..

Nothing super revolutionary like positive life of any kind but it means the pictures are not correct (i'm not saying, tampered with, i'm simply saying the colors are not quite correct)

Basicly what i'm saying is, me personally, i'm looking to explore and discover, not all is known about mars. and some assumptions seem to have been wrong.

you know what, ill give you 2 pics (in a sec....)
not such a dramatic picture, but good enough anyhow:

this:


actually looks more like:


Mars is a lot more beautiful then most of the red photo's show you.

For more on color correcting mars visit keithlaney.net...
Really sweet pics. And be sure to read how he got to the corrections he's applying. It's not hogwash.

[edit on 8-4-2007 by David2012]


reply posted on 8-4-2007 @ 12:26 PM by apc
Originally posted by zeeon
The only basis we actually have for discovering life in the universe is comparing our model of life on Earth to other planets. It's all there is.

The periodic table of elements is a good reference, too.


LIFE IN THE UNIVERSE by Gary Nelson

Of the active elements, we can eliminate hydrogen immediately from consideration because it is too light and would not be retained in a minor planet's atmosphere. There are now left on the list of active, gaseous elements oxygen, fluorine, sulphur - only at extremely high temperatures - and chlorine. Sulphur can be largely disregarded because of its high vaporization point, 444° C, and only planets very close to their sun with very large masses could maintain this or higher temperatures and retain a sulphur atmosphere. Fluorine can be eliminated on the grounds that it is too active; it will combine with everything except inert gasses. It will never exist uncombined when there is something for it to combine with. As it forms gaseous compounds when it combines, any planet with a large amount of fluorine on it would have an atmosphere consisting mainly of flourides. And since flourine is rather rare, it is unlikely that many such planets exist.

Oxygen and chlorine are the two remaining elements. Which is the more common in the universe? The question can not be answered definitely. However, chlorine has an atomic weight twice that of oxygen, and the rule seems to be that the lighter elements are more common than the heavier ones. Chlorine is much less common than oxygen on earth. Therefore chlorine atmospheres should be nowhere near as common as oxygen ones on this basis of relative abundance. Still, they should be more common than fluorine atmospheres.


All the open-mindedness in the world won't change some of the requisites for complex life to exist.
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