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reply posted on 9-4-2007 @ 03:17 AM by zorgon
Originally posted by David2012
This does not mean that I don't agree on some points like people who see something in everything or link everything to grey aliens. But still I don't lash out at them. Actually I listen. At the very least it says something about the human psyche, and who knows, a lot of ridiculous idea's have been proven correct in history.


I have been active in most of these anomaly threads but I don't see much where the OP's link anything to Aliens, especially the greys LOL. I think debunkers just naturally assume they mean Alien

As to ridiculous ideas and wasting ones time looking at images to seek life perhaps someone should explain this to NASA...

Now for a bit of news....

LIFE ON VENUS



Yeppers and it seems that NASA thinks that life on Earth started there...

And you though we were crazy? HA!

Venus seems bland. It's a featureless, cloud-covered orb about as interesting as a billiard ball. But if that same telescope is fitted with an ultraviolet filter, a mystery reveals itself. Venus' clouds are cross-crossed with fast-moving dark bands...

The bands are the mystery. Some unknown substance within them strongly absorbs UV light, accounting for almost half of the solar energy trapped by Venus. Whatever is in there, it plays a big role in maintaining Venus' hellish climate; the average temperature on the surface is about 460° Celsius. Astronomers have been studying the bands since Mariner 10 spotted them in the 1970s, but decades later no one knows the identity of the "UV absorbers." Candidates range from gaseous chlorine and sulfur compounds to alien life using UV radiation as a source of energy.


SOURCE

"There is some reason to believe Venus may have been the best haven for life in the early solar system," he said. With 900 degree Fahrenheit surface temperatures and an atmosphere permeated by carbon dioxide, chlorine and sulfuric acid clouds today, Venus seems inhospitable to "our kind of life," he said. "But we really don't know much about life -- its requirements, it's differences and how to recognize it."

It is even possible that life on Earth may have evolved from life forms provided by Venus, Grinspoon said: "Pieces of planets were blasting off of each other all the time early in the evolution of the solar system, and microbes from Venus could easily have wound up on Earth."

While the standard scientific view is that life requires water and carbon-based molecules, it cannot really be said if that is the only chemical system that can make life, said Grinspoon, who has been studying the surface, atmosphere and clouds of Venus for 10 years through NASA-sponsored programs.

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Soooo seems NASA thinks we are all Venusians

And they base this on some dark bands on Venus in the UV range...



[edit on 9-4-2007 by zorgon]


reply posted on 9-4-2007 @ 07:59 AM by blue bird
Originally posted by zorgon


Here is a picture of the Polar Ice Cap... not hard to find really...

THIS ice is mostly CO2 ice ergo "dry ice" and VERY COLD

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Now stop bickering and look at those truly Alien geysers coming from levitating field of Carbon Dioxide Ice... it doesn't get more Alien than this



"Giant Pool of Water Ice at Mars' South Pole"

Mars is unlikely to sport beachfront property anytime soon, but the planet has enough water ice at its south pole to blanket the entire planet in more than 30 feet of water if everything thawed out.

With a radar technique, astronomers have penetrated for the first time about 2.5 miles (nearly four kilometers) beneath the south pole’s frozen surface. The data showed that nearly pure water ice lies beneath.

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“This is the first time that a ground-penetrating system has ever been used on Mars,” said the new radar study’s lead author, Jeffrey Plaut of NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory.

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The reflected beams revealed that 90 percent or more of the frozen polar material is PURE WATER ICE, sprinkled with dust particles. The scientists calculated that the water would form a 36-foot-deep ocean of sorts if spread over the Martian globe.......

* rest of article:
www.space.com...




So - for a long time it is no secret to scientists that Marth south pole - conteins CO2 ice, BUT >>>"Measurements in recent years found strong evidence for abundant WATER ICE BENEATH, and that it gets exposed during summer melts of the overlying carbon dioxide."







[edit on 9-4-2007 by blue bird]


reply posted on 9-4-2007 @ 10:49 AM by zorgon
Originally posted by blue bird

So - for a long time it is no secret to scientists that Marth south pole - conteins CO2 ice, BUT >>>"Measurements in recent years found strong evidence for abundant WATER ICE BENEATH, and that it gets exposed during summer melts of the overlying carbon dioxide."


Yes but C02 ice thaws at -109.3 °F or -78.5 °C so its going to need to get a lot warmer on Mars before that water ice will be ready for taking a dip...

And I don't buy the 36 feet of water over the entire planet if the pole melts... As ice expands when it freezes I just don't see the quantity of ice at the poles to cover that much..

Some here have talked about the scarcity of water in the solar system... we know there are electric storms on all the planets... if you have ANY oxygen and hydrogen in the air sooner or later the result will be water molecules so I would hazard a guess that water exists in a lot more places than most expect...

I see a lot of images posted on the color issue on Mars... NASA shows what they call "real color" which are usually dark with a brownish reddish tint...

The CP crowd shows us images where the scenery is as bright as any on Earth...

Well they can't BOTH be right...

NASA says... the enhanced color images are shown "as they would appear in Earth level light..." Okay I can buy that... if you had the same amount of sunlight on Mars as you do on Earth, then those images that show blue sky etc would in fact be true color... This makes sense ...

But pray tell me how if you were standing on Mars that you would get the same level of light on Mars as you do on Earth? Last I checked the Sun was a LOT further away and appears a lot smaller in the Martian sky....

Do we just ignore this minor annoying detail? I can deal with that... as soon as you show me where the extra light comes from....

Yes the SKY IS BLUE on Mars... but it is darker because of the lack of sunlight, and because there are planet wide dust storms almost constantly... and its colder for the same reason... and unless we can add a new source of heat and light, nothing will change...

Sunset on Mars..


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