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Originally posted by dbrandt
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
there isn't anything hidden in the bible for us to learn,
Read Numbers chapter 2 for something hidden!
Originally posted by Gorman91
It is impossible for the human mind to understand, but you get it if you think hard enough
Originally posted by Skunky
You're contradicting yourself
Originally posted by Global consciousness
ATS - You guys really make me laugh......
If someone had said Who created Aliens,you would be barking mad
Aliens show us 'Proof' something we can verify,we want to see it eating dinner with you,how do you even know they exist.
Yet you all sit down in your infinite wisdom and try to determine where/who created GOD in your own opinion
Is it only me who can see the world has no proof for GOD and his existence anymore than we do for Aliens and theirs or Bigfoot for that matter
Yet millions billions even accept/believe there is a GOD are they not as mad as the Alien 'crew' for believing things with no proof ?
I know by that logic there are billions of people running around believing stuff with no proof .
Yep that sounds a lot like the human populace !
Why can't the world just accept we don't know and work together to discover the truth and agroup together to down the walls that hide the truth from us.
Another question if GOD made man then can I safely say to my children we didn't come down from the trees ?
Originally posted by jakyll
i notice everyone is only talking bout the "almighty." what about the other religions? 100's of different god's and goddesses still exist into days world,form large religions such as islam to "pagan" beliefs of tribal people's.many of these predate christianity.are they still classed as false? what about the god's that were "killed off" by christianity,were they false too?
christianity is probably the youngest religion in the world,yet it is one of the most arrogant.it is also made up from other religions.don't believe me? a lil studying will help you understand what i mean.
if everything was created by a god,it wasn't the "almighty" that did it!!
Originally posted by Equinox99
God has always been around.
Imagine the laws of gravity, math, science and etc.
They have always been around it was not an invention of
Just like those have been around that is how God has been around.
Before "The Big Bang" Theory there was always gravity
And that is how God is.
Originally posted by jakyll
in some cases,obviously.but you can't deny the fact that Christianity has never been tolerant of other religions,and it has a long history of violence towards those who refuse to follow them faith.and you can't say its a human failing or the corruption of humans,when the bible has so many examples of violence against those who are non-believers!
In the beginning of it, Christians were considered Jews, went to Jewish temples, and followed Jewish rules until it was said to be not needed to follow Jesus. Then it simply absorbed other religions when foreign members joined. It didn't kill anyone until post Pope Leo the great.
"And Israel joined himself unto Baalpeor: and the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel. And the LORD said unto Moses, 'Take all the heads of the people and hang them up before the LORD against the sun, that the fierce anger of the LORD may be turned away from Israel.'" (Numbers 25:3-4)
Just telling folks "GTFO of my home land. Jews had it first, then ran out of there during a drought, then came back. Survival of the fittest as it goes. Conquered people are simply that, conquered people. If God wanted the Jews out, he would have let them get killed off by Hitler or someone else.
"And the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed them up, and their houses, and all the men that appertained unto Korah, and all their goods. They, and all that appertained to them, went down alive into the pit, and the earth closed upon them: and they perished from among the congregation. And all Israel that were round about them fled at the cry of them: for they said, Lest the earth swallow us up also. And there came out a fire from the LORD, and consumed the two hundred and fifty men that offered incense." (Numbers 16:32-35)
If thats the opening of the red sea, well what is wrong with it, God stopped the Egyptians from killing off the Jews.
"And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle. And Pharaoh rose up in the night, he, and all his servants, and all the Egyptians; and there was a great cry in Egypt; for there was not a house where there was not one dead." (Exodus 12:29-30)
If you mess with God, your going to get smacked. If the Pharaoh didn't learn to let free the slaves, then he deserved it. Are you defending slave labor?
"Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works." (Revelation 2:22-23)
Likely written by a rabbi getting angry at the world's problems.
"Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a thing. But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go." (Judges 19:24-25)
Again, probably written by a shovenist rabbi, as you never hear of this in the New Testament.
"And it came to pass, when the evil spirit from God was upon Saul, that David took an harp, and played with his hand: so Saul was refreshed, and was well, and the evil spirit departed from him." (I Samuel 16:23)
I'm not sure what is the point of this. no violence as I can see. The evil spirit was from God because everything is, even the devil. He probably did something bad.
"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." (Isaiah 45:7)
Yep, all to teach us some lessons. if we respond to go away from the evil and respond to go to good, not only does this prove evolution, but it proves God wanted us good by learning that bad things = death.
Christianity is confussing. You have to read between the lines of the bible and learn which was written by a holly man or a corrupt person. Anything having to do with hatred in the New testement?
Originally posted by Don Wahn
So God created everything, including man, but if this is so, then who created God? Basically, there has to be a creator of the creator, right?
What are you even talking about when you say "God?" Can you define your terms a little better? Personally, I don't know of anyone who can define the concept of God well enough for it to be at all useful in a rational discussion.
Originally posted by GeneralT.
God can do as he pleases and it is always good!
The devil is our adversary.
He acts like a prosecuter in heaven whilst Jesus is our criminal defence.
Satan pursuades God to pass judgement on us, when we don't even care enough to look God's way or appeal to Jesus. Who really worries where God came from? I'm just glad he cares about us.