In hopes of getting this thread back on track, back to the question of why are atheists atheists? Now I welcome religious folks to chime in but what
I have seen a lot of here is defamatory remarks, and a lot of looking down on because we don't believe. I also think that there is a by in large
belief that we haven't read the bible. I think that is a poor assumption because I my self was raised as a person of faith (presbyterian, and went
to church with a lot of baptists) In growing older I have found that faith for me is not enough. I could have faith in anything as many Christians
have cited that faith and belief based on evidence are not comparable. I.E. I have faith that the sun revolves around the earth.
Now, my decision to make the change to atheist was a complex one, For me faith is not enough. I saw myself being
(ignorance is the choice to not act or behave in accordance with regard to certain
information in order to suit ones own needs or beliefs.) and a lot of other people of faith doing the same. Now I have heard people in this thread
and others state
1. "When God approaches you, it is filled with love and power!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
My reply to this would be that I have never had god approach me. Nor have I ever felt his presence in any shape or form, and during my time spent as
a Christian I most certainly tried.
2. I sometimes try to, no matter how weakly, to inspire others to have faith.
While your heart is in the right place I have had it and after spending 15 years of my life with it, I am happier than ever and have seen no reason
or evidence as to why I should go back. Further more I do not try to inspire others not to have faith, if they want to thats fine.
3. "Well, I don't do that", "My church is not like that", "your taking someones actions and applying it to all Christians"
Any time an atheist brings up something bad that has happened in their experiences I.E. Christians being hateful, preachers molesting alter boys,
Christians discriminating etc. etc. these among others are common excuses. I can personally say that I have been to a lot of churches during my stint
as a Christian. Almost
all were guilty of many of the things I have herd atheists make points over. If they are such rare occurrences why
do they happen so often and by so many Christians?? And of coarse no body ever sees or does these things or you know one or two. Of coarse we
don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to you dismissing these allegations, this is a forum, I can't see the ways you conduct yourselves away
from the computer. What does trouble me is the way a lot of people act in here, calling atheist unintelegent, self centered, their beliefs a disease,
having no morals, the list goes on and on.
4. God is good god is great.
If you want to believe that, thats fine but one of the main reasons I am the way I am today is reading the story of Job, that guy that god liked so
much because he liked go so much. Looking at it from a Christian standpoint (assuming the bible was gods word and record) He is no god I want to
worship. The poor guy had so many awful things done to him over a pissing match between god and satin
Why would a god that is so great allow
the devil to do so many bad things to his number one fan? In order to be right? Prove the devil wrong? Seems to me if god was so great he would have
said "get out of here satin" and cast him back down to hell again (how did him and god communicate anyway? did god give satin visitation rights to
heaven?). Did the all-mighty take pleasure in saying "I told you so" to the devil. Oh well granted, the devil could not kill job but he could come
real close, his family was fair game though.
5."How are you going to live differently if at all?
Does knowing God exist change you?"
I don't know do you think getting hit by a lightning bolt changed Ben Franklin. The only difference between god and a lightning bolt is lightning
bolts can be studied and thats what he was doing. Provide tangible evidence for something and I will be a lot more likely to believe in it.
6. "god performs miracles everyday"
Fair enough, he is pretty sneaky about it though. All of these miracles going on and I have yet to see the guy once. Not to mention with the
followers he is quite the multi tasker, performing miracles here answering prayers there
all at the same time. He must be absolutely swamped on Sundays. I know that whether or not he tends to all of them is "his will". Like when I buy
a lottery ticket it's the ping pong balls "will" if I win or loose. Which is also kind of funny that there are christians that win the lottery,
I kind of though the bible stated it was frowned upon?
Oh well, you just say thank you god,
repent and remember to tithe, it's all good.
7. "What is the atheist compass based on?"
Here is a post from another thread
that I touched on that a little bit.
I was particularly interested in the question where do we get our morals? The Christians get theirs from the bible. Lets take off the atheist
shoes for a minute and say that the Christians are correct and there is a god. In the bible it states god gave man discernment. If this is true every
man has a common for lack of a better word understanding or perhaps morality of what is right and what is wrong. I.E. I know that to steal is wrong, I
don't have to have anything other than my brain and my conscience to know that.
So if there is a god and the bible is held to be correct, all men/women whether they choose to follow god's ways are born with the common sense of
right and wrong. Being born with Morality is a given. we all have it from the time we are born, the understanding increases with age. So to make the
assumption that someone does not have this common trait because they do not adhere to your personal set of values is more than wrong, it is overriding
the very right and wrong instincts that the bible says god gave man.
8. "Athiests are misguided"
Are you stating this because we do not subscribe to the one "right religion", your religion? I guess all the other religions are misguided too.
They could not have anywhere near the odds of being right.
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