The greatest injustice/conspiracy in the world - Oppression of Women

Im going to be part of the derailment that has happened to this thread. Sorry! Ive tried to sum up in short sentences a few things orangetom has said. Im not quoting verbatim, only by what I understand.

"Men are dumb, very dumb"

Orangetom, you have consistently referred to men as dumb. They are not. Do you consider yourself dumb? I dont, you come across as someone who has done a lot of reading and thinking. So unless you believe all men are dumb except yourself, then I dont think you really believe that 'men are dumb' if you consider yourself being dumb too.

"Women rule"

The impression I have is that you believe women rule society, more specifically the American one. Your observations of corporate advertising and media programs tell you this. To me thats backward, women AND men are targeted by corporations to reap maximum profit. Is it evil and wrong that certain colours or smells will 'catch a woman’s' eye'? No it is not, just how it is not wrong when my doctor hits my knee with that little hammer and my leg swings in a kick.

Corporations fund and hire psychologists for many many years now to find ways to make us buy their products. And for many many years they have been grooming us to be consumers. We send our best minds to Universities, our children, so they can learn how humans work, only to use that information against us.

Who rules? Not 'men' or 'women'. But a group of elite men and women.

"Society is in favor of women"

Society as it stands is in favor of no one. We are ALL game. Break down society into groups and they will all have their + and -, not one group stands out to me as being the most favorable. Not even men. All I see is the statistics of male suicide for 20-30's and I KNOW men are not favored, and nor are women.


Men are not dumb victims of clever manipulating overly sexualised women.

Women are not helpless victims of a male agenda of oppression and violence.

99.9% of the world population has been born into a pre-existing society that is about 'work and death'. All groups have + and - aspects, for instance being a man in America verses a man in India will have its pros and cons.

Thanks for your kind words, OT. Sorry, the batting of eyelashes doesn't work at all. Took awhile but I finally realized that my finances always improve greatly when I get the men out of my life. Ain't taking any more to raise. (Nothin' but love for ya, brother)
I've found by personal experience that men don't really want what they say they want. Treat a man with mutuality and respect and he thinks you're "not feminine". Treat a man like crap and he thinks (rightly) that you're a shrew. Don't wear make-up and he says "you're letting yourself go". Wear make-up and he says, "you trying to snag some other man?" You're damned if you do and damned if you don't. And men say women are illogical?!
We may all disagree about whether there is or is not equality between the sexes but there is definitely injustice by men aimed at women. In high school I was told point blank that I HAD to take home economics class for my elective and COULD NOT take auto mechanics or wood working (that I had signed up for). When I asked "why?" I was flatly told, "because you're a girl". I dropped out of high school over that and taught myself to do much of my own car work and built my own deck that is the envy of the neighborhood. Things are different now and my girls were allowed to pick any elective in high school but only because women like me pitched fits over the injustice (and stupidity) of such inequality. I have been denied housing because I was a single mother. The moronic landlord actually had the unmitigated temerity to tell me to my face that despite my credit history, good job, etc. that he would not rent to me because "the first man that comes along will sweep you away and I'll be out a tenant". I took my good credit and BOUGHT a house in my name, doubled the payments every month and will have it paid for in 2 more years. This is the 2nd house where I've done that; the first one was given to my oldest daughter. When my husband and I both hired on to a company and were given the same job title, same work load, same everything except pay (he was given .50cents/hour more) I complained. The boss said, "he's the head of the house and has to support you and needs to make more money". !!!!!! INJUSTICE!! Rather than turn him in to the ACLU or hire an attorney, I took classes at night to train in a field where I could set my own hours and dictate my own pay. I refuse to be a victim of some misogynist morons' mentality. That shop is now closed down for OSHA violations (I didn't turn them in) and I still have my training.
The point of all these examples is to draw attention away from the victim mentality (male or female) and focus on solutions. There will always be injustice in the world until God Almighty straightens it out. Until then we all use whatever tools we have to correct the wrongs in our little corner of the world whenever we can. For women to give in to the victim mentality and cry "not fair" only emphasizes and exagerates what inequality there may be. Honestly, how often do you hear a man whinning, "not fair! you got more than me" ? If you see injustice, do your best to correct it with a reasonable, rational attitude. Failing that.....a 9 inch cast iron skillet works wonders. lol

Orangetom, you have consistently referred to men as dumb. They are not. Do you consider yourself dumb? I dont, you come across as someone who has done a lot of reading and thinking. So unless you believe all men are dumb except yourself, then I dont think you really believe that 'men are dumb' if you consider yourself being dumb too.

Yes, I most certainly have Dae. I will continue to do so. Most of the men I know cannot understand a simple concept like Male Expendability and Disposability. Way to deep for them. Now the sports Illustrated Swimsuit edition ..it is almost univeral in the west. Most men can understand this ..with the possible exception of me. I have no intrest in it. THese men have feelings and concerns and emotions to accompany them but are unable to even put them in to vocal form outside of narrow constraints. With some of them it is like the lightbulb is dim in there.

By the way..I am not particularly bright but I can see much of this going on right in front of us...daily.

"Women rule"

The impression I have is that you believe women rule society, more specifically the American one.

My biggest beef or dissent is that especially in the west this is not a oppressed group of victims. This is a very easy dogma to foist off on the type of male I describe the above positions due to little thinking going on. Men are often economically and hence politically defaulted to the curb by this technique.

Your observations of corporate advertising and media programs tell you this. To me thats backward, women AND men are targeted by corporations to reap maximum profit.

I dont entirely disagree with you here. Women are indeed targeted greatly by media and corporations. No argument here from me. The market share dedicated to women and children is huge. These corporations know that they can get to the womans insecuritys by appealing to her sexuality..her femminism...her concerns about her children. Women are by far easily marketed by these insecuritys more than men. Hence if you sell the womans insecuritys you can get to the males wallet if she has a man plus her wallet if she works. Men are pretty basic here. Not as much insecurity to market or to which to appeal. It doesnt take a genius to see that over time with this kind of seduction you can ,in a manner of speaking ,sell the very soul of a nation from its core beliefs and turn them into very accomplished consumers..not thinkers.
This conduct is to me predatory on the part of the merchants and media.
It is a subtilty and seduction of which many are totally unawares verses what you so aptly describe. It is good that you know this. Gives one hope. More people need to know this and what it means across the social structure.
Men are catered to here in this market ...I dont agree with the method here..but the appeal is in such a narrow corridor as compared to the women.

Corporations fund and hire psychologists for many many years now to find ways to make us buy their products. And for many many years they have been grooming us to be consumers. We send our best minds to Universities, our children, so they can learn how humans work, only to use that information against us.

No argument from me here again and I am often insulted by the process when I bother to watch enough boob tube to see it. Hence my statement to Dawnstar about the programming verses the commercial appeal. The commercial appeal when you realize how the string is baited in front of you is much more potent and original than the television programming.
It is no different in the magazines or on the radio. It just lacks the visual setting or appeal.

Men are not dumb victims of clever manipulating overly sexualised women.

Women are not helpless victims of a male agenda of oppression and violence.

Thanks for this refreshing view. However I will add something to this with my view. Men are to me primarily victims of their own ignorance about the true nature of what they see in front of them daily. They shoot themselves in the foot here. This to me is primarily the fault of the male..not the female. This is why you and others so often see me state..."What a dumb bunch of males."

But hey!!!! How about those LA Lakers??? Man was that a great game or what!!!!??


Whitewave,

Thanks for your kind words, OT. Sorry, the batting of eyelashes doesn't work at all. Took awhile but I finally realized that my finances always improve greatly when I get the men out of my life. Ain't taking any more to raise. (Nothin' but love for ya, brother)

Shoooot!!!! Kicked to the curb again!!!!

Actually I find pretty much the same thing with women and finances..but I keep coming back to the arena. Whats wrong with us Whitewave? Is there a male fatale??

I wonder sometimes if there is some truth to that buisness that some social observers claim about people being drawn to certain types over and over again though at some level we know or find that theyare actually bad for us in the long run.

As to make up..some women are horrible at it.. horrible. I dont care if a woman is made up all the time. If she wants to fine with me ..if not Im ok with that too..just dont over do it to the point of absurdity. My requirements of a woman are internal first. I've had to many let downs with the other types. I am not instrested in a porcelin statue to take down once in a while to run my hands over , dust , and then put back up on the shelf. Thats just me Whitewave.

You wanted to take auto mechanics?? I have no problem with this. I am aware that at one time it was so. Not so much today. Also excellent that you taught yourself to do much of it. Same thing I did ..on the job. Also great about building a deck. I did the same here at my home. I finally put one of those covered swings on it you see at Home Depot. This was not my idea but a womans. I never would have considered it. I was not keen on it at first. Now Oda Mae and I often fall asleep rocking slowly on this very swing and she purrs while keeping me company.

For women to give in to the victim mentality and cry "not fair" only emphasizes and exagerates what inequality there may be. Honestly, how often do you hear a man whinning, "not fair! you got more than me" ? If you see injustice, do your best to correct it with a reasonable, rational attitude. Failing that.....a 9 inch cast iron skillet works wonders. lol

LOL LOL LOL!!!

No argument here..succinctly stated. I dont care for whiney men as well as whiney women. What especially concerns me is that some of these types are becoming leaders now days.

I am up standing the night watch here again..going to raid the refrigerator and put on a pot of coffee with some amaretto. Bon Appetit.

Thanks again for your post Whitewave.

Orangetom