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OT, even the situation as you describe it is geared towards keeping women dependant upon men for their well-being. That being said, if you don't like having to spend money on "your" woman, then don't get one. If you don't like the way she is treating you, then dump her.
Sure, men and women are both sometimes victims in relationships, but the system is such that women are still dependent upon men. Your "victimhood" is voluntary; you choose your own relationships and you can end them whenever you like.
A woman doesn't volunteer for things like getting paid less than men for the same work. If you want to complain that men are the victims in modern times, you are kidding yourself. If you go even further and say that this has always been the case, I have to question whether or not you are lying as well as kidding yourself.
Just read the Bible: men could divorce a woman any time they wanted (the reverse was not true), women depended on men for the entirety of their wealth, a woman's testimony meant nothing in court, if a woman was not a virgin at the time of her marriage she would be executed (the reverse was not true), men were allowed to have multiple wives (the reverse was not true), men could keep concubines (the reverse was not true), women had no legal say in who they married, female slaves could be legally kept even when males slaves were required to be released, women were not allowed to become priests, women were sent into forced exile while they were on their period, the birth of a female child required more ritual cleansing than the birth of a male child, female children were literally considered worth less than male, women captives could legally be forced into marriage, and don't even get me started on the morally bankrupt rape laws.
and the biggest default in history:
I am man, and this little cottage is my castle, and I am gonna have everything my way in my castle....God said so!!!
I find it interesting that your entire thought process is limited to women of America.
My post is about women of the world, including, but not limited to, the country that you take such manly comfort in.
You won't listen to reasoning other than your own. We have several women who have posted about their lives, yet you totally disregard it because it isn't what you believe. They are women. I believe they know a little more about the subject than you do.
That line joking about evolution has nothing to do with anything in this topic by the way, but as often as those who are on the losing end of an argument do, you resorted to distraction tactics.
Every one of your posts is the same, regurgitated, one-sided point of view. You do not allow others to express their opinions without stating that you totally disagree.
If you feel that we are all wrong, and that you are correct, then do me a favor and keep your sexist views out of my thread. I have sat by long enough watching you try and derail it or turn it into an argument.
Obviously, you have some education, as you like to throw out large words throughout your excessively long posts. I, for one, however remain unimpressed at your ability to argue your point. Alot of what you type is sheer ego-boosting babble in my opinion. You have stated your point, on several occasions, and it is obvious that most everyone else that has chosen to post in this thread is in disagreeance.
I hated to resort to this, but your posts called for it.
Please, if you cannot prove your point besides using only your severely one-sided opinions, refrain from polluting my thread.
Originally posted by XphilesPhan
Originally posted by reaper2
hope i don't sound like a sexist but i think part of the reason men and women are not equal is because men are more driven, competetive, more brave and confident, and physicaly stronger. And i believe this gives man the edge over women in society wrongly or rightly it's just nature.
Women are more wiley than you think and physical strength isnt everything. As far as being driven, well women have a biological function/need that most choose to address and hence, dont have time to create devilishly clever economic schemes, etc. Even though some do anyway.
I will NEVER say women are lazy. That is just so far from the truth its funny. My mother works in a factory, has raised 3 kids, and always manages to keep a spotless house. It's truly amazing. As for women my age, well they sure as hell arent lazy either. Ive seen them raise a kid, go to school, work and put up with a nutjob boyfriend/husband.
I guess I was raised differently. I dont see women as victims of opression.
Now what would make me think yours is a sexist comment, surely not the fact that you boldly state that "men and women are not equal". Not only is it erroneous, it's also way, way offtopic. We are not discussing the "equality" of men and women, nor is the topic meant to induce a rash of sexist, women-are-inferior posts.
Originally posted by reaper2
great post by the way.
My friend i must agree with you women are far from lazy for the above reasons, i was not saying women are lazy.
What i should have said is men are more aggressive in general and this does cause women to be subdued generally
I am not saying men are better than women to the contrary men have been responsible for many if not all the ills of the world to date just that they are evidently not the same as women is all im saying. and it is not erraneous its a fact men and women differ in both physicaly and mental attitudes, its not that men are in anyway smarter but the sexes do approach situation differently.
Aggressive behaviour does tend to explain people who like to dominate.. namely MEN.
If anything take comfort women don't tend to me murderes, psychos, rapist etc. etc. etc.
As for women not preaching in the church well take it or leave it the bible is clear women should not speak in the church so if you don't like it dont read the bible and don't go to church, as the church is clear men and women are not to be treated equally and bible has stated from the begginig that Eve was a help for Adam almost like an arter thought.
Originally posted by XphilesPhan
Men do have a tendency to be outspoken and bold, not only in actions but in conversation. I cant count how many times I have seen guys say things to women that their mothers would smack them for. And women lap it up, they blush and enjoy the attention. Women complain they are treated as sexual onjects, but some women encourage this. I see women wearing these VERY tight jeans and bend over in front of a guy she knows is either going to check her out, or pinch or her rear. So women know how the game works too, they arent innocent little creatures in all of this.
Originally posted by forestlady
That is because women have been conditioned to believe that their sexiness and beauty are all that matter to men/the world and since we are taught to OBEY and to please others, we try to fit the mold. And since men are taught to expect that women will always be beautiful and sexy, they buy into it.
This may surprise some folks, but there are many women who's lives do NOT orbit around a man. We just don't care to be abused any more. by a man who is supposed to love us but denigrates and humiliates us instead. It's called self-respect.
Originally posted by tom goose
men rule because women cant co-operate. sure one woman in a room full of men will likely be the shinning star, but add one more woman and all hell breaks loose. the only connection women have one another is their hatered towards men. women are just as viciouse and unforgiving as man, but at least we can still call eachother brothers without claiming NO WOMEN
Originally posted by el fuego
Micro Credit are various programs, the one i worked with is basically this;
There are four non related women selected from the village or city and given 100 or more ( USD ) each. This money is to purchase goods, manufacturing equipment, suppplies, whatever the woman believes she can use to resell, or finish raw goods and sell at a profit.
NO other group is given money in that village until all 4 women repay the original 100 each was given. This creates pressure on repayment of capital, and peer incentive to help each group achieve its goals.
This has worked very well, and surpassed expectations set by the foundations and people managing this system.
It does not work well with men because money was mis spent, many times used to purchase alcohol or illicit activities.