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posted on Feb, 10 2007 @ 05:55 AM
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Originally posted by pepsi78


Which Moderators are showing a preference towards the Masons ?

You would mean which of them are masons, not about being pro mason, it's about being a mason
and a moderator.


Mason or not, I expect the Moderators of these boards to check their bias at the door and do the job they agreed to when they took the post.
I've found the staff on these boards to be fair to every member, and the standards they uphold are a benefit to the entire community.

Many people come on this site and think they can behave in the same manner that is allowed on many boards that have little or no moderation, or the owners just don't care. But that won't fly here, I think this community is above that sort of thing.
I think the choice of Moderators is the key that made ATS successful.

I do appreciate a lively discussion, and I welcome strong points of view on any topic, but I won't stand for personal attacks on a member for their point of view.

I think intelligent people can engage in a conversation, or debate an issue, without resorting to name calling and insults. Behaving like some kid in the school yard has never got a member very far. And yes, those are the ones that get banned.


EDIT: And it appears that the member that started this thread has been banned.
I can only guess, but it may have been a returning troll. :shk:

I'll say good-bye, and I enjoyed our brief exchange.

[edit on 10/2/2007 by anxietydisorder]




posted on Feb, 10 2007 @ 06:27 AM
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Just For Fun...

I always think it's important to keep some historical perspective when accusations are flying about moderator bias.

Here's a good example:

Important Update to the Terms & Conditions coming soon...

Many self-professed Masons were banned in those days. Gotta love the irony.


For the record, if anyone ever sees anything that does look like moderator bias, PLEASE don't hesitate to report it via a Complaint.

The feedback of members is very important to us, and we do listen.

We know we're not perfect, and that's why we encourage the membership to keep an eye on us and let us know when we screw up.


I do recommend, however, not being a previously banned member who's here illegally if you do that.



posted on Feb, 10 2007 @ 10:07 AM
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Originally posted by Mustang II
Seems to be a heck of a lot of abuse being directed at posters who criticize Freemasonry, including it appears the wholesale deletion of their posts and even banning of them.

Why is ATS allowing this to go on?


As always, any material deleted or otherwise modified is content that is either abusive or contrary to our simple rules of decorum.

The critical examination of secret societies, their history, their motives, and especially potential criminal or conspiratorial dealings is indeed the reson d'etre of the forum.

However, as is the case everywhere on ATS, simple and clear rules of decorum and language exist to inspire a higher level of discussion and debate than is seen in the typical flame-fests of other boards.

If you desire to examine these issues of secret societies, you are welcome and encouraged to do so. And I'm confident any provocative topic can be examined with civilized decorum.



posted on Feb, 10 2007 @ 11:08 AM
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I agree that there's bias here. Many of the pro-mason get a attitude. Sometimes a person will just ask a question and someone will smart off. I try not give attitude back. There's 4 or 5 of the same ones that get mouthy on here. And people who register here and post on their first day are not always the same person causing trouble. This is a big place and a cool place so not everyones first day is not the guy VCR.

[edit on 10-2-2007 by mitchelcopper]



posted on Feb, 10 2007 @ 01:15 PM
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mitchelcopper, we aren't speculating that this is the same person, it IS the same person, it has nothing to do with registration dates. THe person that started this thread is the same person that came here as VCR, who started off with lies, and then created new accounts, pretending to be a different person, going into his other threads and then 'agreeing' with himself, trying to make it seem like he had support when in fact he has none.



posted on Feb, 10 2007 @ 04:04 PM
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Masons are defenetly trying to keep control over the Secret societies threads out here.. Don't know how long they will hold though. More and more people are starting to see the truth behind their magnificant fraternity.

They have been hiding behind charity for a long time now. I have to admid it's a fantastic strategy. How could you critisize a charitable organisation?? Well look at their past and present members and their influence on global politics. See what kind of jobs the majority has.

They don't want the world to know who their members are.
They protest against making their member lists public.

Most of your politicians are masons, most of the american presidents where masons...
Don't you want to know what their so called not secret brotherhood was and is about.
Well these ATS masons are certainly trying to keep you from finding out the real truth. Coming on here as the so called specialists. Taking the last word because what they say is the "real" truth. Laughing away facts and truths just like our politicians do.

Actually it doesn't matter what they do on ATS. Either way, more and more people are awakening and seeing through their fraud. It's just funny to see them doing their jobs and always returning to the same kind of tactics to steer the discussions.

I'ld suggest to take a tour in the 'secret societies' threads and enjoy the show



posted on Feb, 10 2007 @ 04:04 PM
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Is there any proof that it is the same person? I.P.'s, any thing? Can We the members of ATS Be shown this proof?

Should We source every word We type as to Not Be plagiarists, some one some where once said them and created them at one point in time, No?

If Every member deserves respect I do Not think it is very respect-full to refer to a particular some as random idiots.

I see the bias. It is transparent, it can Be fixed, but it is definitely there.

I am sure there are many more members who would love to come here and post about it, but are scared of Being banned.

Have moderators broken the T&C? Yes. Are people for given, yes. It is okay with me, but it is never justified: rules are rules.

Do Masons seem to Be proud of their "world super power" status, thus defend each other to the death if it means lying and/or hiding the truth? Yes. Can they Be trusted? It appears Not.

Are they capable of rational talk? Only if it involves irrational behaviour and/or some thing to boost their "powerfull" status.

These are my just observations and the opinions derived there of, I still love ATS

[edit on 10-2-2007 by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal]



posted on Feb, 10 2007 @ 05:05 PM
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Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
Do Masons seem to Be proud of their "world super power" status, thus defend each other to the death if it means lying and/or hiding the truth? Yes. Can they Be trusted? It appears Not.

Are they capable of rational talk? Only if it involves irrational behaviour and/or some thing to boost their "powerfull" status.

These are my just observations and the opinions derived there of, I still love ATS

[edit on 10-2-2007 by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal]


I think your conclusions are only logical. Anyone seriously investigating this fraternity will see this logic. History is a blueprint of their work.

May I suggest anyone to find out the truth about it? Just spend a little time of your life to find out why after thousands of years of governing there still ain't one that works.

By the way, I also think ATS is a great site with good information. But be aware, there are also many hoaxes to create confusion. Just be aware of it's excistence.



posted on Feb, 10 2007 @ 07:12 PM
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I have figured out this conundrum.

At first I thought "hmmm...it just couldn't be..." but upon further investigation, by golly it just makes sense.

Only ONE of the several moderators is a professed Mason so it simply could not be that Masons are in control of the secret societies portion of ATS.

HOWEVER, it only stands to reason that this is what the administrators of ATS want us "sheeple" to believe!

If you pay close attention you'll notice that there are "Moderators" and there are "Super Moderators" What they're not telling you is that there are "Super-Duper-Ultra-Secret" ("high degree" if you will) Moderators that the lowly, rank-and-file Moderators are unaware of!

THEY, and not the Moderators and Super Moderators who actually, well...Moderate here, are in control of this forum. Heck, one of 'em probably even OWNS this site!

Indeed, they plot (by way of subliminal suggestion) EACH AND EVERY THREAD! They are controlling your minds, your thoughts, your keyboards and even your toilets if you cross the line!

Not only this, but they're shape-shifting REPTILIAN SPACE ALIENS and Taxidermists! On top of all this, three of them are Former U.S. Presidents and one is actually the Queen of England! (Sorry Trinityman)

DOUBT IT NOT! (to quote Leo Taxil...er Albert Pike the Exalted Supreme Grand Huff-n-Puff of Intergalactic Freemasonry)

Oh, they had us fooled for a while, but the truth was bound to surface and I'm thankful to those who've developed the "Brilliant Scholarship" (read: BS) that brought this into the lucifer..er "light"

RENOUNCE all ye sheeple and sockpuppets! lest it be too late and your souls be lost to drift henceforth and forever in the Milky-Way (or was it the Baby Ruth? whatever)

If you doubt that this is possible, "google" it up for yourselves. If you can't find any facts to support it, do what the others do...make some up!

Send them to freemasonrywatch.com. I'm sure they will welcome any contributions that reflect negativity...regardless how far-fetched or pathetic.

There is more...MUCH more to tell, but right now I have to go and cleanse my soul of the evil that ATS's luciferian doctrine has brought upon me and renounce the 429th Degree of Freemasonry while I'm at it. I sure hope that David Icke's "stand-in" will hear my confession. I need absolution and QUICK!

(On a side note, can the administrators add a button to vote for the most ridiculous thread? I think this one deserves some votes!)


[edit on 10-2-2007 by Appak]



posted on Feb, 10 2007 @ 07:19 PM
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Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
Is there any proof that it is the same person? I.P.'s, any thing?

Yes.

Can We the members of ATS Be shown this proof?

We are not going to give out personally identifiable information about people that post to this board, even if they are abusing the board.

If you choose not to beleive us, well thats your right. I know, and the other mods know, that its the same guy.


Should We source every word We type as to Not Be plagiarists, some one some where once said them and created them at one point in time, No?

How about you provide a source when you are directly cutting and pasting from it eh?


If Every member deserves respect I do Not think it is very respect-full to refer to a particular some as random idiots.

Ok, every member does not deserve respect, the ones that don't deserve respect are the ones that come here as frauds and liars.


I am sure there are many more members who would love to come here and post about it, but are scared of Being banned.

Talk about what? Masonic influence on ATS?

Members who are freemasons are allowed to state their opinions, just like members who are not. If someone thinks that the freemasons dominate this board, then its because their arguements end up being the best. When they break the TOS, they get banned, and its happened many times before.


Also, what is anyone here for? TO discuss conspiracies in ATS? Or to discuss Conspiracies on ATS? I mean, thats like watching the new constantly report on its own programming.

The fact is, ATS administration is utterly independant of the freemasons, none of board administrators are freemasons, and I only know of one Moderator who belongs to that fraternity. He is not in charge of anyone.


Do Masons seem to Be proud of their "world super power" status, thus defend each other to the death if it means lying and/or hiding the truth? Yes.

Prove it.

Prove that our members here who happen to be masons are lying through their teeth to protect their fraternity.

People constantly charge that that is the case, no one has ever demonstrated it.


Are they capable of rational talk? Only if it involves irrational behaviour and/or some thing to boost their "powerfull" status.

From what I have seen, some of the best posters in this forum are masons. Not all of the best members are, but some of the best definitely are. Saying that they are irrational is flat out false.



posted on Feb, 10 2007 @ 07:50 PM
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Sources And Methods


Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
Is there any proof that it is the same person? I.P.'s, any thing? Can We the members of ATS Be shown this proof?

A similar issue came up here, and I asked this same question.

Ultimately, privacy takes precedence, even when it means withholding evidence which would vindicate us.

That makes things more difficult for us sometimes, but I think it's the best policy.

Membership Has Its Privileges


Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
If Every member deserves respect I do Not think it is very respect-full to refer to a particular some as random idiots.

In the case of my earlier post, I'm referring to someone who has proven unsuitable for membership here in a variety of ways, including plagiarism, knowingly posting false information, registering accounts to circumvent staff action and libeling the staff.

In other words, an idiot.

People who go to such extraordinary lengths to get repeatedly banned from ATS are not worthy of my respect.
:shk:

People who have what it takes to be members here, on the other hand, earn it every day.


[edit on 2/10/2007 by Majic]



posted on Feb, 11 2007 @ 03:23 AM
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posted on Feb, 11 2007 @ 07:15 AM
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Originally posted by Appak


There is more...MUCH more to tell, but right now I have to go and cleanse my soul of the evil that ATS's luciferian doctrine has brought upon me and renounce the 429th Degree of Freemasonry while I'm at it. I sure hope that David Icke's "stand-in" will hear my confession. I need absolution and QUICK!

(On a side note, can the administrators add a button to vote for the most ridiculous thread? I think this one deserves some votes!)


[edit on 10-2-2007 by Appak]


What a nice example of what I've said before...
It's a pitty these masons are messing up the important threads.
Try to filter out the bullsh*t or just enjoy the show...

These masons are only here for one reason.. They are not here for a better understanding of there brotherhood. All they want to know, they can find out via their lodges.

They are here to create confusion...

And then they dare to call us trolls.

It's one big circus with these guys



posted on Feb, 11 2007 @ 08:37 AM
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Originally posted by buddhaLight
It's a pitty these masons are messing up the important threads.


Indeed! Wild speculation, bizarre imaginings and incredibly unbelievable nonsense coupled with pure paranoia has the makings of some really "important threads." Truly a "pitty"


Try to filter out the bullsh*t or just enjoy the show...

MirthfulMe's on top of this already. See above.



These masons are only here for one reason.. They are not here for a better understanding of there brotherhood.

True. We can get that from Masonry...not from people who believe anything they read on the internet and have never even been INSIDE a Masonic Lodge.

All they want to know, they can find out via their lodges.

That's rich Buddha! It's funny that you can post that with (I assume) a straight face. It's even funnier how the majority of the posters like yourself who post such nonsense about Masonry seem perfectly HAPPY to learn "all you want to know" from pathetic web-sites like freemasonrywatch.com or whatever else you can sit on your BUTTS and dredge up with a search-engine! Can ya' say "one-sided"?

The vast majority of members who post this nonsense haven't a CLUE what legitimate research is. It's amazing how many people seem to believe anything negative they read. Actually it's a "pitty"

It's interesting that the vast majority of the Masons who post here have also read the web-sites aforementioned as well as the numerous books, pamphlets, etc that have been printed making the same ridiculous claims (FOR YEARS, I might add) You haven't come up with something new. The lies being spread are the same ones.
You see, unlike YOU, we have actual FIRST-HAND experience in Freemasonry. Some of that is gained in Lodge...MUCH of it is gained by Legitimate Masonic RESEARCH. In fact, rather than try to educate the poor ignorant Masons, YOU could actually learn something from US! (Shocking!) But that's not why you're here, is it? You're here to try and force your opinions on people and refuse to accept that fact that you may be wrong.

Oh, and before it's said, many of us here have gone way beyond the Blue Lodge degrees. Most have taken numerous additional degrees and actually KNOW WHAT MASONS REALLY DO, unlike uhm..YOU.
It's eye-opening to me to hear so many things that "Masons do" coming from the "experts" who've NEVER set foot into a Lodge Room! Can you look into the mirror and HONESTLY say to yourself "I know more about what Masons REALLY do than Masons THEMSELVES know? If you can, there's no use continuing this thread



They are here to create confusion...

Boo-hoo Buddha! And we're "ganging up on you" too, huh?

I suppose you'd like it if only you and your ilk posted here. Is that what you want...everyone to agree with YOU? OK, let's see...I think it would go something like this. (Note: the spelling is intentional)

Ilk01 "Dude! The Masonaries are evil! Like they eat babies and worship Satin and play like bagpipes and stuff! They have a secret upper-level group that runs the country, except for a small portion in East Nyack, N.Y. and their in a secret battle with the super-secrete 28th Degree Knights of Columbus over that one.

ILK02 "Yeah, man. And like they've been Presidency since 1742 and every U.S. President, Vice-President, Supreme Court Justiss and all the Milk-men in Washington DC have been 33rd Degree Mansons! And Albert Pike who was the Exhaled Grande Potentate of Intergalactic Freemasonry actually told all the 37th Degree Masons that they were worshippping Satin and his wife Luciferian! This was recorded by Thomas Edison, a Communist and 35th Degree Mason, in 1903 when they dug up Pike so he could preside over the First Annual International Masonic Congress and Bake-Sale!"

ILK 01 "Right! And they are secretely putting chips in our kids, our dogs, our canaries and a few stray cats so they can track 'em for Masonic rituals!"

ILK 03 "Amazingly all this with King Salamone himself! King Salamone was the first Teutonic Maltese Knight Templar and he sailed to Scotland to bury the treasures he'd stolen from King Hiram's fifth-cousin, who was the first Knight of Columbus! Then the Maltese Templar Knights built Rosieland Chapel on top of it! Rosieland Chapel is the secrete HQ of the 33rd Degree where the Queen of England presides over all the Freemasons and two or three shape-shifting reptillian pastry-chefs dig up Pike every year and help with his bake-sale!"

ILK02 "And Tony Blair's one of 'em too! No one in the WORLD knows this (except me and some guys at www.tonyblairwatch.com) but he's the actual head of the Vatican and the Pope bows to him because the Pope's only a 33rd Degree Freemason and Tony's the worlds only 43rd Degree (except the Queen and SHE's a 44th!)"

ILK01 "Well...that about sums it up. er...what'll we talk about now?"


ILK02 "Uhm...skull & bones? I heard from my next-door-neighbor's nephew's cousin's best friend's barber that GW Bush and John Kerry...."

Sure would be a "fascinating" forum if everyone posted the exact same thing over and over and everyone agreed, huh?



And then they dare to call us trolls.

Not everyone. Just those upon whom the proverbial shoe fits.



It's one big circus with these guys


Nah, you're confusing us with Shriners.


To sum it up Buddha, you (and guys like you) want to post WHATEVER you like about Freemasons but you sure don't seem to want FREEMASONS (and others who actually KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT FREEMASONS) to post ANYTHING.
Indeed, you guys seem to be against ANYONE who's views run contrary to your own. Why is that? Do you actually LIKE to read and perpetuate untruth? Do you enjoy being uninformed? Because when it comes to Freemasonry, you are!

You only want to hear one side because it suits your needs. You don't CARE about truth. You like gossip.

You should log onto dictionary.com and look up the word "discussion"


[edit on 11-2-2007 by Appak]



posted on Feb, 11 2007 @ 09:14 AM
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What do you know about my sources? Are you spying on me?


This was very amusing Appak, great show!



posted on Feb, 11 2007 @ 09:22 AM
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I can't tell you how many times I've been warned via the U2U's and points deducted for saying inappropriate things. Granted this was much early on when I started posting here and out of anger lashed out. If I contined posting as I did I would have been banned just like other guys.

Hopefully my contributions are wanted here if not I will move on but I will NOT allow myselt to be manipulated by some zealots whoa are trying to push our buttons and make us want to leave.



posted on Feb, 11 2007 @ 09:22 AM
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Originally posted by buddhaLight
What do you know about my sources? Are you spying on me?



Hey, keep in mind, I'm a 429th Degree Masons. We have ESPN!




This was very amusing Appak, great show!


Thanks! This forum can be fun after all...



posted on Feb, 11 2007 @ 09:29 AM
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Hi Majic


Originally posted by Majic
Ultimately, privacy takes precedence, even when it means withholding evidence which would vindicate us.

I trust the irony of this statement isn't missed on you or other regular SS contributors, given the calls for freemasons to release their membership lists!

As ever, ATS and the Mod team get my support, both on this occasion and the one last year ("Glad-handinggate") when masons were banned and the shoe was very much on the other foot. In fact - here's a quote from that 1995 thread Majic linked to...


Originally posted by smallpeeps
I'm laughing as I remember the threads about how ATS is secretly run by Masons. I guess you just cannot win sometimes.


Funny what goes around comes around...



posted on Feb, 11 2007 @ 12:14 PM
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Irony Abounds


Originally posted by Trinityman
Funny what goes around comes around...

Indeed it does, and upon reflection, I regret using the word "idiot" in my previous posts, and apologize for doing so. Such behavior serves no good purpose and only makes an already nasty situation even nastier.

I'm sorry.


This sort of thing can become frustrating, but ultimately it's not right for me to comment on anyone -- including former members -- in such a fashion.

There's a sort of karma in all this, and when we allow ourselves to be dragged down into the muck, it is a form of failure and only leads to more of the same.

So rather than get caught up in that vicious cycle, I'll just try to do my best to help keep things running around here.

To anyone who is suspicious or critical of our motives or how the board is operated, I ask only that you be honest about it, honor the AboveTopSecret.com Terms And Conditions Of Use when you do so, and let us know when we can do something better.

It's not a perfect system, but it's a good system.

Just sayin'.



posted on Feb, 11 2007 @ 12:38 PM
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According to the laws in most countries in the world, secret societies are banned. Masons are a secret society, with a lot of power.

MASONS SHOULD NOT EXIST if there were law in the world.

Yes, there is a lot of evidence that MASONS ARE AN EVIL organization. Masons have organized the communist revolution in Russia. Masons are controlling most of the governements. How is that legal?

Yes, being a masons is worse than being a communist. It is the ultimate evil of the world.

[edit on 11-2-2007 by swimmer]



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