One Third Of The Holocaust:More Compelling Evidence It Never Happened, page 5

Originally posted by Nygdan
Subs, its a gas chamber. It has doors that seal pressure tight, so none of the air in it can leak out. It has powerful vents, to clear the room of the gas after it was used. It has drawers with wire mesh so that the Zyklon-B crystals can be put in and allowed to work. It has fake shower heads. And the door on the other side opens directly into the camp's morgue.

That is incorrect. The "gas chamber" that is on show in Auschwitz has a chimney that we are told was to allow the gaseous Zyklon-B to escape the chamber before the Jewish workers entered to collect the bodies. This gas would of easily drifted over the Commandants own living quarters.



The simple facts of the matter are that the "gas chamber" at Auschwitz is not authentic. It is a reconstruction based on the testimony of Auschwitz survivors.

IHR.org

Since 1948, the year of the founding by Polish Communist authorities of the Auschwitz State Museum, millions of tourists -- 500,000 visitors per year in the early 1990s -- have visited the crematory building of the main camp (Auschwitz I) with its "gas chamber" room.

Museum guides present this crematory structure (Krema) and its "gas chamber" as genuine, but skeptical visitors who ask impertinent questions are told, since my own visits of 1975 and 1976, that this is, in fact, a "reconstruction," which we are further informed is an identical replica of the original. In reality, the whole is neither authentic nor an identical replica of the original. In 1941-42, the Krema was a very conventional crematory facility with, notably, a cool morgue room for temporary storage of corpses, and an incineration block with six ovens. In 1943-44, the six ovens were done away with and the morgue room, along with other parts of the building, were transformed into an air-raid shelter with a surgical operating room serving the nearby SS hospital.

I made these discoveries in 1975-76, and published the results between 1978 and 1980.

Originally posted by Nygdan
The scholars never ONCE said that the gas chambers didn't exist. The americans didn't build gas chambers, they were already there.

They reconstructed the gas chambers since the buildings claimed to be "gas chambers" were destroyed.

Auschwitz-Muzeum Official Website

After the war, the Museum carried out a partial reconstruction. The chimney and two incinerators were rebuilt using original components, as were several of the openings in the gas chamber roof.

The fact that the "gas chambers" were not authentic took decades to bring to the surface. The same story is repeated over and over again with the multitude of self serving lies that surround the Holocaust.

IHR.org

Fifteen years later, a reporter-historian named Eric Conan, although quite hostile to revisionism, published in the January 19-25, 1995, issue of the large-circulation French weekly news magazine L'Express a lengthy essay, "Auschwitz: the Memory of Evil" ("Auschwitz: la mémoire du mal"), in which he denounced the falsifications of the crematory and its "gas chamber." [See "Major French Magazine Acknowledges Auschwitz Gas Chamber Fraud," in the Jan.-Feb. 1995 Journal, pp. 23-24.]

On this point, here are the findings of his inquiry (p. 68), to which I have added emphasis to certain words:

In 1948, when the Museum was created, Crematory I was reconstructed [reconstitué] in its supposed original state. Everything in it is false [Tout y est faux]: the dimensions of the gas chamber, the locations of the doors, the openings for the pouring in of Zyklon B, the ovens (rebuilt according to the recollections of some survivors), the height of the chimney. In the late 1970s, Robert Faurisson exploited these falsifications all the better as the Museum officials balked then at acknowledging them.

Conan questioned a Museum official about what he calls a "misrepresentation" and about what, he reports, Théo Klein, former president of the CRIF, the "representative council of Jewish organizations of France," calls an "artifice." As Conan writes (p. 68):

Krystyna Oleksy, whose director's office, which occupies the former SS hospital, looks straight out on to Crematory [building] I, has not resigned herself [to telling the truth about the "gas chamber"]: "For the time being we're going to leave it in its present state, and not give any specifics to visitors. It's too complicated. We'll see later on."

This person's reply amounts to saying: "We have lied. We are lying. We shall continue to lie ... until further notice."

SportyMB, my motives for discussing this topic is not to deny the Holocaust occurred because it obviously did. The wholesale imprisonment and persecution of Jews during WW2 at the hands of the Nazis is incontrovertible. What really infuriates me is that this suffering has been cynically exploited, tinkered with, lied about and exaggerated to further the goals of imperialist racist Jewish supremacists who call themselves Zionists.

There should be no profit taken from the Holocaust but there is on a daily basis. Israel uses the mythology of the Holocaust to deflate any attempts to rein in it's brutal occupation and subjugation of an entire people.

This is why I believe it's important to scrutinize the Holocaust and it's surrounding mythology. Not because I believe it didnt happen or that I think it's important whether 6 million or 1 million people died. But because if the lies surrounding the Holocaust can be revealed it can lead to some serious investigation into the Zionists who allowed the many thousands of Jews to die in the first place.

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Originally posted by Truth4hire
Comments after browsing 67 comments:

Byrd: If you watch David Cole you see that it is an actual pool (footage shows diving blocks)

I found a pretty neutral site on it with some better research. It was used as a swiming pool... by the SS, but was also used as a water reservoir. There were certainly never any games of "water polo" played in it (too deep). :
www.mazal.org...

Those of you who (like me) get very incensed at this revisionist claptrap may enjoy the online book at the link above. It's got original photos (that show buildings before reconstruction), talks about the reconstruction and adds a LOT of details that you might want to know:
www.mazal.org...

Glyph_D you raise some interesting questions, as subz did.

I am not just ready to let this go yet.

Some answers on previously asked questions like

o Who controls money?
o Who controls media?

Warning: some answers may not coincide with your current beliefs

What is all this about a Jewish conspiracy - a stealthy grip on mankind, through financial, media and economic control? Is it possible everyone is being led by the nose into a world government under a Jewish cabal?

Source




[edit on 2-2-2007 by Truth4hire]

Originally posted by Telos
Why are you surprised by the denial? IMO the big DENIAL started 50 years ago with Paperclip. That's history, live with it !!!

It is just too bad we live in a world where probably less than 1% of the population accepts or even knows about the history you mention. Most have never heard from Project Paperclip I´m sure.

Operation Paperclip

lizziex3
I had no idea in some places you can be arrested for denying the Holocaust? Can someone please tell me more about this?

I understand that there is a desire to dicsuss this. Please use the search function to find any number of other threads that cover that topic. It is simply going to take this topic too far off track.

Truth4hire
but Nygdan, you say that 1/3 of the holocaust happened (2 million) and that is what this is about that is not so. The author covers three camps, counting for a third of the total holocaust.

Ah i see.

Bit early isn´t it?

[for the 6 million count]
No, I don't see why its early.

The argument that you would not shave prisoners if you are going to kill them anyway. This is a point.

They didn't want lice and disease spreading throughout the population.
And, agian, question this, WHY are the prisoners in the FIRST place? Its because the nazis thought that the jews, as a people, culture, and practice, are a problem that needs to be 'dealt' with. When you start installing secret gas chambers into such a situation, its pretty clear that the solution to the problme isn't to move them out, re-educate them, or anything other than to kill them.

The nazis used the people in the camps as slaves. That means that they had to do basic things to keep the camp operational, such as dealing with head lice, and rather than treat head lice, they just cut their hair off. They didn't do it to be nice or make the prisoners comfortable.

About the ability to kill humans with Diesel fumes. I have not researched, but appearantly it is very hard if not impossible to gas humans with Diesel fumes.

It should be pretty obvious that being stuffed into a room and having the air shut off but for diesel truck exhaust will kill you.
Die sel Fumes Kill 21,000 Americans Yearly.

What's more, who cares if diesel couldn't kill? Zyklon-B certainly does, and a methodological programme of starvation certainly does, and the actual death counts clearly show that around 6 million jews went into the death camps, and only a tiny fraction ever made it out.

This is rather an interesting section, because if you are to systematically going to use gas to kill humans you would expect a hermetically sealed area with double doors. Well not present.

This is false. The secret gas chambers at the camps had air-tight, pressure doors. They were NOT showers. THey had FAKE shower heads. They had drawers for inserting zyklon-b in them, and the 'exit' door lead straight to the camp morgue.

7 & 8 no comment. Testimony cannot be trusted either way, only if there is supporting forensic evidence I will listen.

The forensic evidence clearly shows that they were using gas chambers and starvation and just plain old shootings to execute millions of jews.

As mentioned before, is februari 1943 not a bit early to start spreading the 6 million figure? The (...) killings have not even begun yet.

The killings most certainly had started at that point.

As far as there being a count at that point, clearly, there can't be. Who is saying that there was a count? Readers Digest? Considering that this video seems to already be lying, I wouldn't take it's summary of a Reader's Digest article at face value. The article was written by Ben Hecht, using data collecte dby a Dr. Greenburg, and it talked about 2 million jews having been killed already. Was the 6 million an extrapolation?

I would accept only experiments if they were of logical use to the Nazis

So people who witnessed these things can't give an accurate accounting, or docuemnts must be fake, if they don't seem like sensible experiments?
What is 'lrational' to a irrationialist like a nazi?

Basically the numbers do not add up if you try to place the claimed number of casualties in the ground, even six deep

Since they cremated many remains, hardly seems like a sensible claim. What mathematics prove this? We've already seen that the nazis could force an astounding number of living people into small places, dead shriveled corpses should be even easier to stick into the ground.

The soap story at least is urban legend, debunked by Yad Vashem et al:

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And what does Yad Vashem, Yehuda Bauer, et al, say about the holocaust itself?
They say it happened, and that it consumed around 6 million Jews.

True enough, there are untrue stories surrounding the holocaust, BUT, it is still true that the nazis planned to exterminate the jews in germany, moved them into death camps, and killed around 6 million before they were defeated, many of which were annihliated in gas chambers.

Anyone questioning history as it happened should not be called or be classified as a Nazi./quote]
I think its fair enough to be convinced by a slick presentation. But the people that made that film are flat out liars, they are making stuff up and distroting the facts to deny the holocaust. THere are plenty of serious researchers out there who've looked into the holocaust to sperate fact from fiction, debunking some stories, getting accurate counts, etc. The people that made that film clearly are not 'honest, radical, historians', they are promoting lies, to vilify the jews. They are neo-nazis.

Noone should be punished for researching the past.

If only that was what most holocaust deniers were actualy doing. THey're not. Rather, they are simply interested in covering up the holocaust, reducing the number of people killed, and puting up more attacks on the jews.

It sure is. And if these records are tamper-proof, validated by several independent authorities and undisputed by all parties, I rest my case and humbly apologize if I offended anyone by questioning history.

Short of an all powerful jewish conspiracy that magically made up all sorts of records and somehow dumped all these bodies into mass graves and moved all these jews out of europe and fabricated every eyewitness account of the executions, both by prisoners and nazi's operating the camps and the nazis weren't really all that bad and just wanted the jews to move......then we'll have to go with 'it happened, it was real, they killed around 6 million people'

I mean, you started out with 'i want to look at the evidence, and let it lead me', but now you are saying 'the evidence can't be trusted, because the jews and zionists MIGHT have gotten to it.

Originally posted by sky1
. 6 million is figurative and religiously symbolic, not an actual number.
1919....6 million jews

The author of the article was an american catholic. He is talking about how there are around 7 million people after wwi that are in danger of starvation.
Are you now arguing that no jews suffered after WWI?

How does that refute the death counts anyway?

2). The Jewish population of Europe at the time and the Jewish population after the Holocaust are questionable if in fact 6 million JEWS dies.

No, rather demographic studies support there being around 6 million deaths.

3). Zionists financially contributed to the National Socialist Party.

The Nazis would destroy anyone that didn't give them money, so what does it matter if some people you consider to be zionists ended up giving them money?

How does that undo 6 million murders?

4). Zionist leaders had MANY meetings with Hitler to discuss the removal of the Jewish peoples from Germany.

Again, what does it matter if some zionists were in talks to relocate jews to palestine, spain, etc?

5). The Jews in 1948, finally got their own 'homeland'.[/quote
]Yes, it was given to them by the British and the UN, long after the british had promised it to the, well before the start of WWII.

6). After WWII, (coincidental with #5 above) Chaim Weizmann submitted a memorandum on behalf of the Zionist Jewish Agency for Germany to pay reparations to the Jews, so that the financial stability of Zionist Israel could be created.

So what? They should give the jewish state war reparations, after haveing tried to exterminate the jewish people.

Again, what does ANY of this have to do with the actual number of people murdered in the death camps as part of a plan to exterminate the jews?

It was WAR, people died, people starved, people had diseases.

People don't magically appear in gas chambers in war. And these people should'n't've ever been prisoners in teh first place, they were put there because they were jews, and they were worked literally to death, purposefully, as part of a plan to 'rid germany of the jews'.

While German men were off fighting the jobs they had as civilians still needed to be done, materials for WAR needed to be created, hence the term LABOR camps.

These were slave labour camps, and only 'undesirables' and soviet prisoners were put into them. If the nazis put people into camps, and didn't feed them, even if they intended to feed them, then they are still responsible for their deaths.
And they DID NOT INTEND TO FEED THEM. They wanted to exterminate them, and did so in large part by scientifically rationing out their food to give them enough strength to be able to perform the forced labour, until the next trainload of healthier prisoners showed up to obsolete them.

There were enemies of the state, hence the term PRISON camps.

The Jews were NOT enemies of the state. They were innocent GERMAN civilians.

Whether or not we agree with who should be deemed an enemy of the state is completely irrelevant.

No. Its the entire point. The nazis beleived that all jews were enemies of the state, and needed to be destroyed. Thats what the holocaust IS.

what matters is the reality of what OCCURRED

And what really, and plainly, occured, was that the nazis planned to exterminate the jews, and managed to systematically kill 6 million of them.

The Zionists wanted the Jews out, the German leadership wanted the Jews out. They BOTH colluded to get this done. FACT.

Its true that zionists wanted to have the jews have the option to leave germany for zion. Thats a fact. THe distortion is that they worked with the nazis to create the holocaust. The distortion is that the fact that the zionists were smart enough to want a homeland for the jews to avoid the persecution that they were experiencing, somehow legitimatizes the holocaust, or somehow contradicts the fact that the holcaust happened.

That is incorrect. The "gas chamber" that is on show in Auschwitz has a chimney that we are told was to allow the gaseous Zyklon-B to escape the chamber before the Jewish workers entered to collect the bodies. This gas would of easily drifted over the Commandants own living quarters

And just WTF is a series of vents and a chimney doing attached to a 'shower' in the first place eh?
Why does the 'shower' not have any working plumbing behind its fake shower-heads?
And what does any of it matter, since the nazis had de-parasitizing fumigation chambers right next to the death chambers that used toxic gas on clothing, and that clearly the commandant wasn't so stupid as to have his quarters sitting in wafts of toxic gas???

Odd that you would cite IHR as proof that there were no gas chambers at aushwitz, when they offered a $50,000 to anyone that could prove they existed, and ended up paying it to a camp surivor.

They reconstructed the gas chambers since the buildings claimed to be "gas chambers" were destroyed.

There is aerial photography showing that the chambers, vents and all, existed, if the eyewitness accounts of prisoners and camp operators isn't enough. There are chamber blue prints, forms to order the zyklon-b, foresnic evidence that they were being used to exterminate human beings, etc.

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