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posted on Feb, 2 2007 @ 05:13 PM
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Thanks for the info, it's really helpful. I do think that it goes against free speech a little bit though. Trying to stop racism/discrimination is one thing, but denying the Holocaust doesn't necassarily mean you're racist. Of course it means you're a little dumb, but should you really be jailed for that?




posted on Feb, 2 2007 @ 05:23 PM
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Originally posted by Nygdan
Subs, its a gas chamber. It has doors that seal pressure tight, so none of the air in it can leak out. It has powerful vents, to clear the room of the gas after it was used. It has drawers with wire mesh so that the Zyklon-B crystals can be put in and allowed to work. It has fake shower heads. And the door on the other side opens directly into the camp's morgue.

That is incorrect. The "gas chamber" that is on show in Auschwitz has a chimney that we are told was to allow the gaseous Zyklon-B to escape the chamber before the Jewish workers entered to collect the bodies. This gas would of easily drifted over the Commandants own living quarters.



The simple facts of the matter are that the "gas chamber" at Auschwitz is not authentic. It is a reconstruction based on the testimony of Auschwitz survivors.


IHR.org

Since 1948, the year of the founding by Polish Communist authorities of the Auschwitz State Museum, millions of tourists -- 500,000 visitors per year in the early 1990s -- have visited the crematory building of the main camp (Auschwitz I) with its "gas chamber" room.

Museum guides present this crematory structure (Krema) and its "gas chamber" as genuine, but skeptical visitors who ask impertinent questions are told, since my own visits of 1975 and 1976, that this is, in fact, a "reconstruction," which we are further informed is an identical replica of the original. In reality, the whole is neither authentic nor an identical replica of the original. In 1941-42, the Krema was a very conventional crematory facility with, notably, a cool morgue room for temporary storage of corpses, and an incineration block with six ovens. In 1943-44, the six ovens were done away with and the morgue room, along with other parts of the building, were transformed into an air-raid shelter with a surgical operating room serving the nearby SS hospital.

I made these discoveries in 1975-76, and published the results between 1978 and 1980.



Originally posted by Nygdan
The scholars never ONCE said that the gas chambers didn't exist. The americans didn't build gas chambers, they were already there.


They reconstructed the gas chambers since the buildings claimed to be "gas chambers" were destroyed.


Auschwitz-Muzeum Official Website

After the war, the Museum carried out a partial reconstruction. The chimney and two incinerators were rebuilt using original components, as were several of the openings in the gas chamber roof.


The fact that the "gas chambers" were not authentic took decades to bring to the surface. The same story is repeated over and over again with the multitude of self serving lies that surround the Holocaust.


IHR.org

Fifteen years later, a reporter-historian named Eric Conan, although quite hostile to revisionism, published in the January 19-25, 1995, issue of the large-circulation French weekly news magazine L'Express a lengthy essay, "Auschwitz: the Memory of Evil" ("Auschwitz: la mémoire du mal"), in which he denounced the falsifications of the crematory and its "gas chamber." [See "Major French Magazine Acknowledges Auschwitz Gas Chamber Fraud," in the Jan.-Feb. 1995 Journal, pp. 23-24.]

On this point, here are the findings of his inquiry (p. 68), to which I have added emphasis to certain words:

In 1948, when the Museum was created, Crematory I was reconstructed [reconstitué] in its supposed original state. Everything in it is false [Tout y est faux]: the dimensions of the gas chamber, the locations of the doors, the openings for the pouring in of Zyklon B, the ovens (rebuilt according to the recollections of some survivors), the height of the chimney. In the late 1970s, Robert Faurisson exploited these falsifications all the better as the Museum officials balked then at acknowledging them.

Conan questioned a Museum official about what he calls a "misrepresentation" and about what, he reports, Théo Klein, former president of the CRIF, the "representative council of Jewish organizations of France," calls an "artifice." As Conan writes (p. 68):

Krystyna Oleksy, whose director's office, which occupies the former SS hospital, looks straight out on to Crematory [building] I, has not resigned herself [to telling the truth about the "gas chamber"]: "For the time being we're going to leave it in its present state, and not give any specifics to visitors. It's too complicated. We'll see later on."

This person's reply amounts to saying: "We have lied. We are lying. We shall continue to lie ... until further notice."


SportyMB, my motives for discussing this topic is not to deny the Holocaust occurred because it obviously did. The wholesale imprisonment and persecution of Jews during WW2 at the hands of the Nazis is incontrovertible. What really infuriates me is that this suffering has been cynically exploited, tinkered with, lied about and exaggerated to further the goals of imperialist racist Jewish supremacists who call themselves Zionists.

There should be no profit taken from the Holocaust but there is on a daily basis. Israel uses the mythology of the Holocaust to deflate any attempts to rein in it's brutal occupation and subjugation of an entire people.

This is why I believe it's important to scrutinize the Holocaust and it's surrounding mythology. Not because I believe it didnt happen or that I think it's important whether 6 million or 1 million people died. But because if the lies surrounding the Holocaust can be revealed it can lead to some serious investigation into the Zionists who allowed the many thousands of Jews to die in the first place.

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posted on Feb, 2 2007 @ 05:41 PM
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Originally posted by Grailkeeper
What makes me wonder is, who actually started the speculation of the Holocaust never happening?

The young Neonazis. It's a fairly recent thing.

I lived in Germany for awhile, and the Germans (as a rule) didn't deny that it happened. The people on trial never denied the deaths or the prison camps but they did say that they were ordered to do these things and had to obey the orders.



posted on Feb, 2 2007 @ 05:52 PM
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Originally posted by subz
What really infuriates me is that this suffering has been cynically exploited, tinkered with, lied about and exaggerated to further the goals of imperialist racist Jewish supremacists who call themselves Zionists.

There should be no profit taken from the Holocaust but there is on a daily basis. Israel uses the mythology of the Holocaust to deflate any attempts to rein in it's brutal occupation and subjugation of an entire people.


...and much more. Thumbs up subz. Exactly the reason why this should remain a focal point and not to be taken for granted.


Undeniably the persecutions happened, but what about the killings? Given time one might even come up with reasons how the Holocaust benefitted those in power today. Did they create and abuse the Holocaust for their own agendas? Who is really in power? They who control the money. And who controls the money? Dangerous thoughts.



posted on Feb, 2 2007 @ 05:59 PM
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Originally posted by Truth4hire
Comments after browsing 67 comments:

Byrd: If you watch David Cole you see that it is an actual pool (footage shows diving blocks)


I found a pretty neutral site on it with some better research. It was used as a swiming pool... by the SS, but was also used as a water reservoir. There were certainly never any games of "water polo" played in it (too deep). :
www.mazal.org...

Those of you who (like me) get very incensed at this revisionist claptrap may enjoy the online book at the link above. It's got original photos (that show buildings before reconstruction), talks about the reconstruction and adds a LOT of details that you might want to know:
www.mazal.org...



posted on Feb, 2 2007 @ 06:07 PM
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You have voted Indellkoffer for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have two more votes this month


Thank you for taking the time to find this website. It is very extensive. and fairly unbiased. Looking at the aerial photos you can see there really were gas chambers there

edit to add more info.

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posted on Feb, 2 2007 @ 06:18 PM
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Originally posted by Indellkoffer
I found a pretty neutral site on it with some better research. It was used as a swiming pool... by the SS,


Although the pictures are a good find, I would haredly term this a "pretty neutral site"


This basin was actually built as a reservoir for firefighting purposes, but was clearly adapted so that it could also be used as a swimming pool. The revisionists claim that the prisoners swam in it in summer. I ask them for photographic proof of this practice, for I am convinced that it was reserved for the SS.


"I am convinced it was reserved for the SS".

Not very neutral And the location (it is within the compound next to the prisoners barracks) makes us wonder... For firefighting purposes, yes, makes sense. For SS men to bathe right there amongst the prisoners (again inside the compound as opposed to the SS quarters who where outside the compound to the east) I doubt it.

Anyway, the pictures establish it was indeed used as pool (tower, ladder etc) thanks for that.

edit: this is a good site, it contains amongst other things transcripts of the Nürenburg trial. Loads of data to read.......


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posted on Feb, 2 2007 @ 06:39 PM
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i havent read all the post after OP, but i did watch the video with an open mind.

now im sure there is a lot of people here that will/have said thats this video is hate mongering. and im sure they refuse to watch the video.

what most strikes me about this video is its proposal of the deliberate distortion of the war(holocaust). what were the allied forces actually trying to obtain?? what were they trying to cover up?? did the right people win the war??

what i propose -suppose the Illuminati are the ones behind the end of nazi'ism. the NWO could not handle the nazi force, so they began a campaign to drag their name through the mud.

ive had my suspicions about ww2, becuase of pearl harbor. but this through alot up in to the air.

perhaps this deception is the reason anti holocaust talk isnt allowed in pert of the world.


now from history and various mediums ive been taught Nazis are bad and they are true evil.

BUT what if they are not, or anything they have been portrayed to be??

plz if you feel compelled to get angry at me for stating this "plz dont respond". i know exactly what your goin to say, and i dont care.


but the potential of this being an entire fabrication is something in of its self. and that fact this guy put such a good effort into it is great.

the only problem i had was the quick conclusion jacob wernich(sp?) was a total fraud but still compelling


thanks for the video OP





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posted on Feb, 2 2007 @ 07:02 PM
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Glyph_D you raise some interesting questions, as subz did.

I am not just ready to let this go yet.

Some answers on previously asked questions like

o Who controls money?
o Who controls media?

Warning: some answers may not coincide with your current beliefs


What is all this about a Jewish conspiracy - a stealthy grip on mankind, through financial, media and economic control? Is it possible everyone is being led by the nose into a world government under a Jewish cabal?


Source




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posted on Feb, 2 2007 @ 07:12 PM
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Originally posted by Glyph_D
now from history and various mediums ive been taught Nazis are bad and they are true evil.

BUT what if they are not, or anything they have been portrayed to be??


Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Given a nice uniform, a side arm and the power over life and death will do strange things to "righteous" men. Yes, I believe that e.g. the Gestapo and S.S. were really evil, but the men and women in the street or regular soldier who followed Hitler in essence were not. They were misguided into a belief that the German race was superior, and destined to rule the world.

What would you or I have done? Given the options detention or follow, well, you know the answer. The hardcore atrocities were hidden from general public for a long time, even though it would have been naive and even hypocritical to state that "We didn´t know" if you see all unwanted individuals being transported from your neighbourhood. "Gee, where are they taking all these people?" Not summercamp, that´s for sure.

You do not question leadership under a fascist regime unless you want to join the transport.

edit:Spelling. Goodnight.

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posted on Feb, 2 2007 @ 07:17 PM
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While not a nazi, I can say that I would probably have obeyed orders

Today, it is easy for us to say they were wrong, and that the nazis were evil and all

But at the moment? In a time of war? With the Treat of High Treason brandished to those who would not follow orders?

Germany was a very militaristic country, they Had Faith in their military, and in fact the german military did little warcrimes (they did, but very little)

I say the problem was their Political Leadership

But what of the Soviets Gulags? I don't remember seeing any Soviet Officer being tried for that

The bottomline is that, no matter your culture or society, I know for one that I would have followed orders and that the majority on this website would have done the same



posted on Feb, 2 2007 @ 07:19 PM
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Originally posted by sky1
I am amazed that after 60 years this issue is still present.

What part of ZIONIST PROPAGANDA doesn't anyone understand?





3). Zionists financially contributed to the National Socialist Party.

4). Zionist leaders had MANY meetings with Hitler to discuss the removal of the Jewish peoples from Germany.



Absolutely right.


on behalf of the Zionist Jewish Agency for Germany to pay reparations to the Jews, so that the financial stability of Zionist Israel could be created.


Which Germany is still paying even though 60 years or more are passed.




Zionists plotted to gain homeland, they got it...they needed to fund it, they got that too. It really isn't hard to see.


And use the holokaust as many time as they need it for their agenda. Lets not forget Rothchilds proposal to Botha to loan him billions of dollars, jews money, compensation moeny for the holokaust.

Why are you surprised by the denial? IMO the big DENIAL started 50 years ago with Paperclip. That's history, live with it !!!



posted on Feb, 3 2007 @ 02:31 AM
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Originally posted by Telos
Why are you surprised by the denial? IMO the big DENIAL started 50 years ago with Paperclip. That's history, live with it !!!


It is just too bad we live in a world where probably less than 1% of the population accepts or even knows about the history you mention. Most have never heard from Project Paperclip I´m sure.

Operation Paperclip



posted on Feb, 3 2007 @ 02:58 AM
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Why are you choosing this topic to argue about? There is those oh so pesky films of mass graves being bulldozed over to talk about. If its about who is so innocent of anything, no one is. The allies bombed Dresden, bombed Hiroshima....Stalingrad was about one meglomaniac attacking another meglomaniac. The issue is how can human beings even concieve of perpatrating anything so remotely horrific as a concentration camp on another human being. Concentration camps were arguably invented during the Boer war. Trench warfare occured in the American civil war, these are issues that affect all of us, and we all might want to think about how to avoid torturing and/or abusing our fellow human beings in the future regardless of the past. Forget the past; look to the future!



posted on Feb, 3 2007 @ 03:16 AM
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I am choosing to discuss this topic because it has had a major impact on world history, the power structures and the world we live in today.

I wanted to post this after seeing that laws are now in the making for the entire U.N. prohibiting the denial of the official Holocaust story.

Noone should be punished for researching the past. Evidence is only evidence if it cannot be faked. You are right that we should try to avoid harm to others being done, but tell that to the countless victims on wars over land, religion, oil, etc. today. It´s all about money & power. You cannot change that now. If history would have taken a different turn who knows, we might have been living in a Garden of Eden. Like I keep saying, the wrong forces are ruling the world, and individuals like you and I cannot do anything about that but complain, and be courteous, gentle and kind ourselves to our neighbours. (Trying....)

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posted on Feb, 3 2007 @ 03:57 AM
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Please believe me when I say its difficult to find someone more cynical then myself about the abuses to which "money" and "power" have been put to. Such are the "predictable" uses to which one might "expect" people to make of them. I feel I made a mistake when I said "look to the future, forget the past", I should have said look to the present. What I want to point out here is that to be truly "cynical" in our day and age is to disagree with the "expected" uses to which "money" and "power" are put to. The true meaning of being cynical is to be contrary, especially with regards the prevalant attitudes towards a thing. It is something of a double take here. I do not disagree in any way with researches into the past in any way, and , perhaps cynically, I do not believe that any U.N. resolution can truly detain, ascertain, divert or in any way restrict human curiousity about the past. It is true to enshrine any doctrine as absolute is to invite disaster, but I ask you - why is it that they do this? Is it to shore up existing power blocs which almost certainly have little or no interest in this issue or is it a long overdue indictment after the fact which futily attempts to indicate a path away from horrors of the past? Do you believe that idealism is dead? The belief that Money and Power are absolute is devasting simply because it is not true. These things are simply means to ends and will never exist as anything more than that. That this is a lesson to be learned is not surprising in itself, but leads to problems - the solution of which will come about if not as a result of postive choice then as a result of negative choice.



posted on Feb, 3 2007 @ 07:11 AM
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The fundamental problem with the Holocaust Denial movement is they tend to rely on 'arguments' put forward by (mainly) the US 'not long after the end of the war'

The issue here is part of the PAPERCLIP problem, bringing in scientists and specialist technicians was a major issue and the level of concern over what had gone on was enormous. Many of the PAPERCLIP files show the scientists and officers to remain unrepentant nazis in their views. The only way to dilute this was to create a situation where what had happened did not appear so unpalatable. If the full horror was made widely available the outcry would have been such that NASA, the military, medical and other organisations would never have got their scientists.

Holocaust deniers utilise this 'cleaning' and sidelining of events and the historical record for their own purpose when the actual purpose was to smooth entry into the US (mainly) of scientists and technicians and doctors who had, without a doubt, committed terrible atrocities.

Any genuine researcher need not examine post-war opinion formers but rather go straight to the source of the German records which were created at the time. The SS being one of the more meticulous record keepers of the 20th century. The evidence there alone is damning.



posted on Feb, 3 2007 @ 02:38 PM
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Originally posted by liquidself
Do you believe that idealism is dead?


No, it has just been decentralized. There are many, many individuals who are idealists, but they stand alone and are voiceless but for forums like these where you will find scores of idealists.


Originally posted by liquidself The belief that Money and Power are absolute is devasting simply because it is not true. These things are simply means to ends and will never exist as anything more than that. That this is a lesson to be learned is not surprising in itself, but leads to problems - the solution of which will come about if not as a result of postive choice then as a result of negative choice.


Eloquently spoken, but I disagree. Being power-less (money-less) or whatever synonym you wish to use means just that. The movers and shakers are in control, and they have money and thus power. The masses are following without being aware that they are manipulated, falsy believing they are autonomous in making their decisions .


Originally posted by kickoutthejams
The SS being one of the more meticulous record keepers of the 20th century. The evidence there alone is damning.


It sure is. And if these records are tamper-proof, validated by several independent authorities and undisputed by all parties, I rest my case and humbly apologize if I offended anyone by questioning history.



posted on Feb, 3 2007 @ 03:36 PM
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lizziex3
I had no idea in some places you can be arrested for denying the Holocaust? Can someone please tell me more about this?


I understand that there is a desire to dicsuss this. Please use the search function to find any number of other threads that cover that topic. It is simply going to take this topic too far off track.


Truth4hire
but Nygdan, you say that 1/3 of the holocaust happened (2 million) and that is what this is about that is not so. The author covers three camps, counting for a third of the total holocaust.

Ah i see.

Bit early isn´t it?
[for the 6 million count]
No, I don't see why its early.

The argument that you would not shave prisoners if you are going to kill them anyway. This is a point.

They didn't want lice and disease spreading throughout the population.
And, agian, question this, WHY are the prisoners in the FIRST place? Its because the nazis thought that the jews, as a people, culture, and practice, are a problem that needs to be 'dealt' with. When you start installing secret gas chambers into such a situation, its pretty clear that the solution to the problme isn't to move them out, re-educate them, or anything other than to kill them.

The nazis used the people in the camps as slaves. That means that they had to do basic things to keep the camp operational, such as dealing with head lice, and rather than treat head lice, they just cut their hair off. They didn't do it to be nice or make the prisoners comfortable.


About the ability to kill humans with Diesel fumes. I have not researched, but appearantly it is very hard if not impossible to gas humans with Diesel fumes.

It should be pretty obvious that being stuffed into a room and having the air shut off but for diesel truck exhaust will kill you.
Die sel Fumes Kill 21,000 Americans Yearly.

What's more, who cares if diesel couldn't kill? Zyklon-B certainly does, and a methodological programme of starvation certainly does, and the actual death counts clearly show that around 6 million jews went into the death camps, and only a tiny fraction ever made it out.


This is rather an interesting section, because if you are to systematically going to use gas to kill humans you would expect a hermetically sealed area with double doors. Well not present.

This is false. The secret gas chambers at the camps had air-tight, pressure doors. They were NOT showers. THey had FAKE shower heads. They had drawers for inserting zyklon-b in them, and the 'exit' door lead straight to the camp morgue.


7 & 8 no comment. Testimony cannot be trusted either way, only if there is supporting forensic evidence I will listen.

The forensic evidence clearly shows that they were using gas chambers and starvation and just plain old shootings to execute millions of jews.


As mentioned before, is februari 1943 not a bit early to start spreading the 6 million figure? The (...) killings have not even begun yet.


The killings most certainly had started at that point.

As far as there being a count at that point, clearly, there can't be. Who is saying that there was a count? Readers Digest? Considering that this video seems to already be lying, I wouldn't take it's summary of a Reader's Digest article at face value. The article was written by Ben Hecht, using data collecte dby a Dr. Greenburg, and it talked about 2 million jews having been killed already. Was the 6 million an extrapolation?


I would accept only experiments if they were of logical use to the Nazis

So people who witnessed these things can't give an accurate accounting, or docuemnts must be fake, if they don't seem like sensible experiments?
What is 'lrational' to a irrationialist like a nazi?


Basically the numbers do not add up if you try to place the claimed number of casualties in the ground, even six deep

Since they cremated many remains, hardly seems like a sensible claim. What mathematics prove this? We've already seen that the nazis could force an astounding number of living people into small places, dead shriveled corpses should be even easier to stick into the ground.



The soap story at least is urban legend, debunked by Yad Vashem et al:
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And what does Yad Vashem, Yehuda Bauer, et al, say about the holocaust itself?
They say it happened, and that it consumed around 6 million Jews.

True enough, there are untrue stories surrounding the holocaust, BUT, it is still true that the nazis planned to exterminate the jews in germany, moved them into death camps, and killed around 6 million before they were defeated, many of which were annihliated in gas chambers.


Anyone questioning history as it happened should not be called or be classified as a Nazi./quote]
I think its fair enough to be convinced by a slick presentation. But the people that made that film are flat out liars, they are making stuff up and distroting the facts to deny the holocaust. THere are plenty of serious researchers out there who've looked into the holocaust to sperate fact from fiction, debunking some stories, getting accurate counts, etc. The people that made that film clearly are not 'honest, radical, historians', they are promoting lies, to vilify the jews. They are neo-nazis.


Noone should be punished for researching the past.

If only that was what most holocaust deniers were actualy doing. THey're not. Rather, they are simply interested in covering up the holocaust, reducing the number of people killed, and puting up more attacks on the jews.


It sure is. And if these records are tamper-proof, validated by several independent authorities and undisputed by all parties, I rest my case and humbly apologize if I offended anyone by questioning history.

Short of an all powerful jewish conspiracy that magically made up all sorts of records and somehow dumped all these bodies into mass graves and moved all these jews out of europe and fabricated every eyewitness account of the executions, both by prisoners and nazi's operating the camps and the nazis weren't really all that bad and just wanted the jews to move......then we'll have to go with 'it happened, it was real, they killed around 6 million people'

I mean, you started out with 'i want to look at the evidence, and let it lead me', but now you are saying 'the evidence can't be trusted, because the jews and zionists MIGHT have gotten to it.


Originally posted by sky1
. 6 million is figurative and religiously symbolic, not an actual number.
1919....6 million jews

The author of the article was an american catholic. He is talking about how there are around 7 million people after wwi that are in danger of starvation.
Are you now arguing that no jews suffered after WWI?

How does that refute the death counts anyway?


2). The Jewish population of Europe at the time and the Jewish population after the Holocaust are questionable if in fact 6 million JEWS dies.

No, rather demographic studies support there being around 6 million deaths.


3). Zionists financially contributed to the National Socialist Party.

The Nazis would destroy anyone that didn't give them money, so what does it matter if some people you consider to be zionists ended up giving them money?

How does that undo 6 million murders?


4). Zionist leaders had MANY meetings with Hitler to discuss the removal of the Jewish peoples from Germany.

Again, what does it matter if some zionists were in talks to relocate jews to palestine, spain, etc?


5). The Jews in 1948, finally got their own 'homeland'.[/quote
]Yes, it was given to them by the British and the UN, long after the british had promised it to the, well before the start of WWII.


6). After WWII, (coincidental with #5 above) Chaim Weizmann submitted a memorandum on behalf of the Zionist Jewish Agency for Germany to pay reparations to the Jews, so that the financial stability of Zionist Israel could be created.

So what? They should give the jewish state war reparations, after haveing tried to exterminate the jewish people.

Again, what does ANY of this have to do with the actual number of people murdered in the death camps as part of a plan to exterminate the jews?



It was WAR, people died, people starved, people had diseases.

People don't magically appear in gas chambers in war. And these people should'n't've ever been prisoners in teh first place, they were put there because they were jews, and they were worked literally to death, purposefully, as part of a plan to 'rid germany of the jews'.


While German men were off fighting the jobs they had as civilians still needed to be done, materials for WAR needed to be created, hence the term LABOR camps.

These were slave labour camps, and only 'undesirables' and soviet prisoners were put into them. If the nazis put people into camps, and didn't feed them, even if they intended to feed them, then they are still responsible for their deaths.
And they DID NOT INTEND TO FEED THEM. They wanted to exterminate them, and did so in large part by scientifically rationing out their food to give them enough strength to be able to perform the forced labour, until the next trainload of healthier prisoners showed up to obsolete them.

There were enemies of the state, hence the term PRISON camps.

The Jews were NOT enemies of the state. They were innocent GERMAN civilians.

Whether or not we agree with who should be deemed an enemy of the state is completely irrelevant.

No. Its the entire point. The nazis beleived that all jews were enemies of the state, and needed to be destroyed. Thats what the holocaust IS.

what matters is the reality of what OCCURRED

And what really, and plainly, occured, was that the nazis planned to exterminate the jews, and managed to systematically kill 6 million of them.

The Zionists wanted the Jews out, the German leadership wanted the Jews out. They BOTH colluded to get this done. FACT.

Its true that zionists wanted to have the jews have the option to leave germany for zion. Thats a fact. THe distortion is that they worked with the nazis to create the holocaust. The distortion is that the fact that the zionists were smart enough to want a homeland for the jews to avoid the persecution that they were experiencing, somehow legitimatizes the holocaust, or somehow contradicts the fact that the holcaust happened.



That is incorrect. The "gas chamber" that is on show in Auschwitz has a chimney that we are told was to allow the gaseous Zyklon-B to escape the chamber before the Jewish workers entered to collect the bodies. This gas would of easily drifted over the Commandants own living quarters

And just WTF is a series of vents and a chimney doing attached to a 'shower' in the first place eh?
Why does the 'shower' not have any working plumbing behind its fake shower-heads?
And what does any of it matter, since the nazis had de-parasitizing fumigation chambers right next to the death chambers that used toxic gas on clothing, and that clearly the commandant wasn't so stupid as to have his quarters sitting in wafts of toxic gas???

Odd that you would cite IHR as proof that there were no gas chambers at aushwitz, when they offered a $50,000 to anyone that could prove they existed, and ended up paying it to a camp surivor.


They reconstructed the gas chambers since the buildings claimed to be "gas chambers" were destroyed.

There is aerial photography showing that the chambers, vents and all, existed, if the eyewitness accounts of prisoners and camp operators isn't enough. There are chamber blue prints, forms to order the zyklon-b, foresnic evidence that they were being used to exterminate human beings, etc.



posted on Feb, 3 2007 @ 08:26 PM
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Originally posted by Nygdan
And just WTF is a series of vents and a chimney doing attached to a 'shower' in the first place eh?

WTF said it was a shower? I didnt.


Originally posted by Nygdan
Why does the 'shower' not have any working plumbing behind its fake shower-heads?

Ask whoever said it was a shower.


Originally posted by Nygdan
And what does any of it matter, since the nazis had de-parasitizing fumigation chambers right next to the death chambers that used toxic gas on clothing, and that clearly the commandant wasn't so stupid as to have his quarters sitting in wafts of toxic gas???

Oh, so when you're wrong it just doesn't matter eh? The "gas chambers" at Auschwitz are not authentic, they are reproductions. Simple. Don't believe me? Read the official Auschwitz museum website that I also linked for your convenience.


Originally posted by Nygdan
Odd that you would cite IHR as proof that there were no gas chambers at aushwitz, when they offered a $50,000 to anyone that could prove they existed, and ended up paying it to a camp surivor.

I actually cited a French newspaper article that happened to be quoted by IHR.org. Care to cite any evidence of this $50,000 pay out or should we just accept everything you say as Gospel?


Originally posted by Nygdan
There is aerial photography showing that the chambers, vents and all, existed, if the eyewitness accounts of prisoners and camp operators isn't enough. There are chamber blue prints, forms to order the zyklon-b, foresnic evidence that they were being used to exterminate human beings, etc.

There are also many accusations of the falsification of documents. Where are these aerial photographs and how do we know when they were taken? Since the reconstruction of the "gas chambers" seemed to be an American priority following the end of the War it would also stand to reason that the motive for such haste would also compel the perpetrators to recreate other so-called evidence.





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