Whether it happened, or didn't happen, doesn't concern me; it's the fact that there are Ph.D. researchers in prison for the mere publication of
findings that do not go with contemporary history's "findings" stating it did indeed happen.
Why the need to implement laws abolishing research on history? VERY "1984" in my opinion.
To put ANYONE in prison for researching history, is not just absurd, it means something. I had never even heard/read of holocaust revisionists, UNTIL
I read about laws in the UK and Europe that are putting scientists,
and historians in prison for bringing forth mere ideas about their opinion based on historical research.
That would be like the U.S. putting it's own citizens in jail for publishing papers on anything contrary to what U.S. history states.
The laws forbidding anyone to publicly announce, or write anything contrary to what "HIS-story" says, is a red flag waving, in my opinion not to
alarm to stay away, but "COME RESEARCH ME!"
What's the first thing a child does when you tell him or her not too? They do it. Making a law(s) to not do something so trivial as research on
history and publication, be it from a neo-nazi, auschwitz survivor, or doctorate in history just doesn't make sense...unless the logic for the laws
is not to draw people from the subject (holocaust revisionism) but to draw people TO the subject.
Really, are there any other laws so ridiculous and orwellian/1984ish sounding as the laws stating: no research indicating anything other that what WE
SAY HAPPENED or we will JAIL YOU?
Are there?
You know, in the U.S. it really is something of great value we have in our Freedom of Speech. It doesn't matter what we write about, it's our right
to do so. Can you imagine a new U.S. Law forbidding the research of the Civil War, and publishing anything contrary to what U.S. historians have
recorded? It would be absurd!
So, in closing, I will say again, I don't have any concerns over whether or not it happened, or did not. My concern is why are people in prison for
questioning and researching history?
reminds me of a slogan from 1984, "History is Bunk."
en.wikipedia.org... <----laws against holocaust denial
Scholars have pointed out that countries that specifically ban Holocaust denial generally have legal systems that limit speech in other ways, such as
banning hate speech. According to D. Guttenplan, this is a split between the "common law countries of the United States, Ireland and many British
Commonwealth countries from the civil law countries of continental Europe and Scotland. In civil law countries the law is generally more proscriptive.
Also, under the civil law regime, the judge acts more as an inquisitor, gathering and presenting evidence as well as interpreting it".[2] Michael
Whine argues that Holocaust denial can inspire violence against Jews; he states, "Jews' experience in the post-World War II era suggests that their
rights are best protected in open and tolerant democracies that actively prosecute all forms of racial and religious hatred."[3] János Kis[4] and
TASZ,[5] in particular András Schiffer[6] feel the work of Holocaust deniers should be protected by a universal right to free speech. An identical
argument was used[7] by the Hungarian Constitutional Court (Alkotmánybíróság) led by László Sólyom when it struck down a law against Holocaust
denial in 1992. The argument that laws punishing Holocaust denial are incompatible with the European Convention on Human Rights and the Universal
Declaration of Human Rights have been rejected by institutions of the Council of Europe (the European Commission of Human Rights,[8] the European
Court of Human Rights[9]) and also by the United Nations Human Rights Committee.[10] Historians who oppose such laws include Raul Hilberg, Richard J.
Evans, and Pierre Vidal-Naquet. Other prominent opponents of the laws are Timothy Garton Ash,[11] Christopher Hitchens, Peter Singer,[12] and Noam
Chomsky. An uproar resulted when Serge Thion used one of Chomsky's essays without explicit permission as a foreword to a book of Holocaust denial
essays (see Faurisson affair). These laws have also been criticized on the grounds that education is more effective than legislation at combating
Holocaust denial and that the laws will make martyrs out of those imprisoned for their violation.[13]
Here's something interesting I read in the wiki entry, which is a bit disturbing.
§ 3h. As an amendment to § 3 g., whoever denies, grossly plays down, approves or tries to excuse the National Socialist genocide or other National
Socialist crimes against humanity in a print publication, in broadcast or other media.[15]
"grossly plays down?" really? so...not just deny, or revise, but "grossly play down." How "gross" is gross?
this is just an Austrian law, you can check the article for more countries laws, but read this from Austrian law:
National Socialism Prohibition Law (1947, amendments of 1992) § 3g. He who operates in a manner characterized other than that in § § 3a – 3f
will be punished (revitalising of the NSDAP or identification with), with imprisonment from one to up to ten years, and in cases of particularly
dangerous suspects or activity, be punished with up to twenty years imprisonment.[14]
up to ten years for publishing anything that denies, revises, or sympathizes with nazis of WWII, or "grossly plays down"
and in cases of particularly dangerous suspects or activity, be punished with up to twenty years imprisonment.
I know the pen is mightier than the sword, so to say, but "particularly dangerous suspects or activity?"
You can say, neo-nazis performing hate crimes is absolutely dangerous, but I'm not so sure a fifty year old professor publicizing an article of
research is dangerous, that is unless what is uncovered is a threat to the state of Israel.
I'm not a history buff, but if I can recall, wasn't Israel only created because of the Holocaust? I also read that Holocaust is hebrew, or yiddish
for "burnt offering."
Weird? ummm, yeah.
SO, again in summary, those who want to think anything other than my premise for this response in this thread, my question is:
Why the need to implement laws abolishing research on history
?