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posted on Feb, 1 2007 @ 11:03 PM
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Originally posted by Tiloke
Since when is it ok to ignore the T&C, Sleeper himself, and the owner of this site? Did you miss the first few pages when they specifically said NOT to release his name, in any way?

By the way, Im still here.

[edit on 1-2-2007 by Tiloke]



Looks like you're out of the loop. Please get off my thread, as you are cluttering up bandwith. And stop sending me U2U's. Thanks.




posted on Feb, 1 2007 @ 11:14 PM
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he's selling a book or a movie deal, and testing the water with his story. There is no proof and he never claims to have any interest what so ever in seeking tangible proof. I think somewhere in there he did have an experience at one time in his life, but as other readers have pointed out, there is a massive gap between reality and fantasy in his version of events. I'm not sure if there is even a religious/cult aspect to what he is preaching, but none if it is in persuit of the truth.

And to those savoring every morsel of rotten dialogue that he vomits onto this forum please keep in mind, it is good to have an open mind, but not so open your brains fall out!


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posted on Feb, 1 2007 @ 11:37 PM
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Originally posted by IamnomanasIamallman


Looks like you're out of the loop. Please get off my thread, as you are cluttering up bandwith. And stop sending me U2U's. Thanks.


O.k. , if you don't want to talk in UTU's we can do it publicly.

If you want me to "stay off your thread", start your own damn website, or buy part of ATS. Until than your "commands" mean nothing.

Id like to address a few things you have said ...


You know that thing I said in the other post about how if you didn't stop I would investigate your crimes?
"I wouldn't bank on being around ATS very much longer-- you'll have to take your criminality to other forums very soon.

What "criminality" is that? Can you define "very soon"? Its been hours and I am getting tired.



I know but I will not reveal that. I think that's Hank Mccoy's job.

A lie. You indeed did reveal that just 3 short pages later. Against the orders of Springer, and violating the T&C of ATS.

CORRECTION, apparently I missed the post where Springer said it was ok. I humbly shove my foot deep in my mouth on this one and apologize.
MMPFF MMMPPPMFF PMMFFF, Thats me apologizing with my foot in my mouth.





Tiloke go away you're a declared SP; your opinions need to go away as well. Get off my thread.

Again, start your own website.



Do you want me to contact the church, and tell ATS admins your crimes? Keep pushing it and I will try to do this.

Again, what crimes? You can "try" all you want. Please do contact your "church", tell them I have a bird in my pocket for them.



EDIT: Keep pushing it, and i'm going to seek MOD action on your part in a huge way.

I'm pushing as hard as I can, all you do is insult and threaten me back. Get me banned already, since you claim to be so buddy-buddy with the Admin.



John, when I was in highschool my mentor was a Navy Seal who killed close to 2,000 people over his career. You are not going to push me over the egdge.

What the hell does that mean? Are you bad-ass by association? Oh, never mind , I see you already answered that.



In simple terms, John is nothing compared to that person.

Sorry Mr. Lear, But apparently your nothing, not even a little bit of something. I don't even know what to say about this. (I know you hate being called Mr. Lear. I'll call you John when I'm talking to you, not about you.



Bururururur it just got very cold in here when you mentioned Coulter. Burururururur. Not to get off topic, but that woman scares the bajesus out of me-- psycho.

"Not to get off topic , but I'm getting off topic." Thanks for letting us know you hate her, it contributed so much to the thread.



This thread has taken the turn from slander and libel, to religious hate speech.
Religious hate speech is illegal.

Ahhh, an implied threat combined with a big fat lie. Yummy



Note: i'm not going to respond to anything I have read in this thread in terms of debate. There is not one clear, correct, or truthful statement other than what I have supplied as personal opinion and the information contained in my stated(scientology) websites.

Yeah, that about sums up your attitude, and you probably see nothing wrong with it.



I actually wouldn't be suprised that you, with your admitted SP declare, have infact wanted to, or actively engaed in, the above activities(child molestation) in full.

Accuse me of raping kids... Real classy buddy, And against ATS T&C. Mods, I would like to file a complaint.


I wanted to talk to you about this via UTU, but you wanted to do it here.




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posted on Feb, 2 2007 @ 07:57 AM
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Originally posted by AnneeSo basically what you are saying - - is it can't be proven.


no, I'm saying there will always be someone who claims the proof isn't enough but at least there was proof.

I am really from Atlantis. Sleeper is lying when he says he knows where it is located because we moved our burg. Three times in the last 200 years. I am the last of the royal atlantean lineage and we are making plans to bring back the golden age and I will, in time, retake my throne.

I can give you all kinds of good stories about it. I don't have any "concrete" evidence that might convince people but my word is golden. There are people on the boards who will tell you I'm a good guy and that should be enough.

Does that mean we should lean towards believing him.



posted on Feb, 2 2007 @ 08:39 AM
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Originally posted by GLDNGUN

He's written a couple of books, paid to have them published, and discovered that it is incredibly difficult to make a buck in the book publishing business. That's not a knock on him, his story, or his writing ability but simply a fact of the industry.


You know what's funny? Long before I knew that sleeper was an author, he made a comment about the "wonderful" material he had given us for free, in reference to his "blog/screenplay".

I told him that I knew a little bit about the publishing industry -at least in Europe-, and that his material had zero chances of being published, so he shouldn't worry about giving it for free. That's not necessarily a critique on his style or story, only a reality of the industry.

I guess the comment stroke deeply, because he quicky answered mocking and deriding me. Well, now I learn that he is a SELF-published author. See? I wasn't that wrong


In in my opinion: he's just a run of the mill sci-fi writer in search for a medium to have his work read by others, once he has given up on traditional means. His story: just average sci-fi.



posted on Feb, 2 2007 @ 08:50 AM
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Originally posted by CeltiberoI told him that I knew a little bit about the publishing industry -at least in Europe-, and that his material had zero chances of being published, so he shouldn't worry about giving it for free. That's not necessarily a critique on his style or story, only a reality of the industry.



it doesn't help that it's bad sci fi at best



posted on Feb, 2 2007 @ 09:45 AM
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Originally posted by Crakeur

Originally posted by AnneeSo basically what you are saying - - is it can't be proven.


no, I'm saying there will always be someone who claims the proof isn't enough but at least there was proof.

I am really from Atlantis. Sleeper is lying when he says he knows where it is located because we moved our burg. Three times in the last 200 years. I am the last of the royal atlantean lineage and we are making plans to bring back the golden age and I will, in time, retake my throne.

I can give you all kinds of good stories about it. I don't have any "concrete" evidence that might convince people but my word is golden. There are people on the boards who will tell you I'm a good guy and that should be enough.

Does that mean we should lean towards believing him.


The original question was and still is: "If it happened to you - how would you prove it?"

And as I said: "I believe Me".

I believe Me and my own experiences. When reading anyone elses experience - there are certain things that ring true. Whether Sleeper actually had the experiences or is well read on the subject - - his information rings true.

Your presentation of Atlantis sounds made up - - there is a huge difference.



posted on Feb, 2 2007 @ 09:46 AM
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Celtibero,

I agree with you completely, he's basically looking to become noticed with half cryptic answers, no shread of evidence in any form, no drawings or illustrations describing his experiences. I can't understand the popularity of his posts as 80% of the thread is members arguing over who's right and who's wrong. Not to knock him, i wish him all the best but without bringing anything tangible to the front and just creating a title "I'm coming clean" etc etc he hasn't actually come clean about ANYTHING. It's boring...



posted on Feb, 2 2007 @ 09:52 AM
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Originally posted by Annee
Your presentation of Atlantis sounds made up - - there is a huge difference.


and billiards and kinky alien sex doesn't?



posted on Feb, 2 2007 @ 10:07 AM
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Originally posted by Crakeur

Originally posted by Annee
Your presentation of Atlantis sounds made up - - there is a huge difference.


and billiards and kinky alien sex doesn't?




People - as in us humans - have everday lives. Why would beings not of this planet be any different.

There are planets and solar systems billions of years older then Earth. It is logical to believe there was intelligent life before life on this planet. It is logical to belief they are more advanced.

But they still live everyday lives. Billiards and sex? Not too far fetched at all.



posted on Feb, 2 2007 @ 10:14 AM
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assuming our sexual organs and their sexual organs are even compatible. Assuming they even have sex for sport. Assuming assuming assuming.

the whole story makes for crappy sci fi, the kind with Traci Lords as the pilot and Richard Greico as the human who is taken with the hopes of reproducing with the planet of hot, scantily clad alien women who look remarkably like the women in our cheapest porn.



posted on Feb, 2 2007 @ 10:20 AM
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Originally posted by Crakeur
assuming our sexual organs and their sexual organs are even compatible. Assuming they even have sex for sport. Assuming assuming assuming.

the whole story makes for crappy sci fi, the kind with Traci Lords as the pilot and Richard Greico as the human who is taken with the hopes of reproducing with the planet of hot, scantily clad alien women who look remarkably like the women in our cheapest porn.




You have quite the imagination. I never got any of that out of Sleeper's information.

Seems to me he indicated he was given a type of drug/hallucinate - - and was told the simulate was for his benefit - - as that is how it is done in his world.



posted on Feb, 2 2007 @ 11:03 AM
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Seems to me he indicated he was given a type of drug/hallucinate - - and was told the simulate was for his benefit - - as that is how it is done in his world.


baaahaww haww
The blind leading the blind... The only drugs Sleeper had taken were administered by himself right here on this planet.

hot alien booty babes, and mind blowing alien narcotics... and people are still actually supporting this story??? Whats next the toilet habits of aliens.... oh yeah, he already explained their pooping process!


Entertainment value = 10
Foundation of truth = 0

[edit on 2-2-2007 by hiii_98]



posted on Feb, 2 2007 @ 11:04 AM
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Originally posted by IamnomanasIamallman
This is all true. When I was on speaking terms with Lou we discussed this via email and I even offered him my contacts for movie agents. One prospect even offered to present the material to Lucas Film LTD but that fell through unfortuantely. Hell, he even offered me a part in the movie if it went through!

This all went sour when I realized the above possibilites and the horrors they really represent. Once Hank figured out the connection and writing style of Lou compared to Sleeper, the rest was history.

It sounds to me that this thread is more about you seeking revenge than whether sleeper is genuine. You have a bone to pick so you attack him for having less than altruistic motives? Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black and IMO you are also wrong.

Anyone who reads his stuff and thinks its true is foolish, but that is their right. I think there is some entertainment value for some members (not for me) and he is not making money off of it and no one is getting hurt.

If the Admins want to let him keep posting that is there business and you should just ignore the threads.

Is that so hard?



posted on Feb, 2 2007 @ 11:10 AM
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Only one thing is disturbing me and that's the fact that sleeper never questions the info he gets from his alien friends. Sleepers case sounds like a classic form of a patient with personality disorder. People like that always listen to their dominant personality which in this case could be milton who is his fearless, smarter, and all around better half.


or

As many others side could just be trying to sell a book or really does know aliens. Either way people are just angered by the fact that his story is like ever other person that meets aliens. If aliens really are all powerful then they could come up with a way to show themselves to many people slowly over time until we humans are at ease with them. The way sleepers puts it make it seem like aliens are evil beings stripping away our individualism. Sleeper keeps saying until we become them basically we will be trapped on earth.



posted on Feb, 2 2007 @ 11:12 AM
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so this is all about a disgruntled actor who didn't get a part? should've done the casting couch route. not only would you have been given the role, you'd have experienced the hot alien love and then he'd have a corroborating witness.



posted on Feb, 2 2007 @ 11:18 AM
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Originally posted by Crakeur
I found it odd that he was detailing his story in the form of a screenplay and had no means of even attempting to prove the validity of his story. I figure he's hoping he can garner enough hits on the blog to verify someone purchasing the rights to his screenplay.

I have to go with choice A) on this, I am becoming increasingly more agitated with this website and in particular these attention seekers who come here so they think they can be quasi - celebrities. Sleeper doeSn't have an ounce of credibility and he thinks he can play some reverse psychology by making these off the cuff joking remarks in an effort that we might take him seriously. He comes across like he knows so much that we don't that he can act flip about it. I think he should go post at IMDB.com in the wannabe filmmaker section.

and by the way...

WHEN DID JOHN LEAR BECOME A MODERATOR ON THIS DAMN WEBSITE! HE LOST ALL CREDIBILITY WHEN HE WAS ON COAST TO COAST TELLING EVERYONE THEY SHOULD LOOK UP SLEEPER'S BLOG BECAUSE IT IS ALL TRUE...HA!

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posted on Feb, 2 2007 @ 11:26 AM
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Originally posted by hiii_98

Seems to me he indicated he was given a type of drug/hallucinate - - and was told the simulate was for his benefit - - as that is how it is done in his world.


baaahaww haww
The blind leading the blind... The only drugs Sleeper had taken were administered by himself right here on this planet.

hot alien booty babes, and mind blowing alien narcotics... and people are still actually supporting this story??? Whats next the toilet habits of aliens.... oh yeah, he already explained their pooping process!


Entertainment value = 10
Foundation of truth = 0

[edit on 2-2-2007 by hiii_98]


Blind? Your Earth bound opinion - - which reveals more about you then anything else.

In most reported abduction cases - a mind block or possible drug affect is reported.

Logic for me is there are advanced races off this planet. Logic for me is they reproduce. Logic for me is they live a normal everyday life.

IMO - to deny the possibility is kind of moronic.



posted on Feb, 2 2007 @ 11:34 AM
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A) sleeper is a fascist alien. Don't forget, his body is human, he says his soul was on not on Earth last time.

B) Viral marketing campaign... and looks like it just boosted sales.


So you gunna thank me sleeper? This is not to destroy sleeper's ability to make money; this thread makes sleeper money. All press is good press. Marketing 101. But... sleeper, true or false, supports fascist aliens.

Just look at all his responses. Looks like Nazi Germany met Space lol.



posted on Feb, 2 2007 @ 11:43 AM
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I am not pleased with the way this thread is going. It is nothing but an extension of the other thread, and not really worth it for me to post in.

If this thread gets on any type of track like I listed back a few pages, I would implore someone to drop me a u2u, but until then, I am going to take my leave.

Kudos



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