Originally posted by observe50
I will not ask you all a question because I am not coming back to this thread so I will just state that I have no respect for anyone that intentionally puts out an idenity just to prove a point.

If sleeper decides he doesn't want his information posted on ATS even if Springer says it is okay, I -will- respect his wishes. I will only hold back information that isnt mine to share, and if he isn't willing to have it out there, I am not going to be the one to do it.

However, if sleeper DOES given the go ahead, I will post what I can and ask for help to get more.

In defense of Mr. Lear, He never "vouched" for sleeper or confirm his story. He agreed , thats all.

If I come out of the woods and tell a stranger I shot a rabbit while I was in there, And the stranger believes me, does that mean the stranger verified my story?

Same goes for me. Even though I created this thread questioning two possibilities and the seperate set of questions for each-- that doesn't mean i'm not going to honor his wishes.

But as you can tell, it's not hard to figure out who he is with the information already presented in all the threads and the dates of the book.

Originally posted by HankMcCoy

Originally posted by moderndayHanSolo
well im a sleeper fan, and a john lear fan as well.

but why dont one of you guys in this thread U2U me the name of sleepers book?

i want to read it

[edit on 1-2-2007 by moderndayHanSolo]

As I have told you repeatedly in u2u's, Mike, I will relay the information as soon as I get the okay, if I get the okay.

sleeper can't do it, as it is a breach of the T&C to do it, and seeing as it reveals his personal information, it is against the T&C for anyone else to do it without sleeper's permission. So short of sleeper giving his permission or getting a veto of the T&C from an admin, I dont think anyone is going to do it yet.

OK, let's put this to bed. Hank forwarded the info to the staff and it IS against the T&C to post, or share, this info. Not to mention the possible legal ramifications.

So sleeper will remain sleeper, OK?

Originally posted by Tiloke
In defense of Mr. Lear, He never "vouched" for sleeper or confirm his story. He agreed , thats all.

If I come out of the woods and tell a stranger I shot a rabbit while I was in there, And the stranger believes me, does that mean the stranger verified my story?

Tiloke go away you're a declared SP; your opinions need to go away as well. Get off my thread.

Originally posted by Crakeur
I found it odd that he was detailing his story in the form of a screenplay and had no means of even attempting to prove the validity of his story. I figure he's hoping he can garner enough hits on the blog to verify someone purchasing the rights to his screenplay.

I also am somewhat puzzled by the amount of attention he's still getting. Without any real attempts to prove his story, people still keep coming back. At least the serpans and the titors tried to pass off pics and docs as proof. this guy has a script.

Crakeur - - just One Question.

If it happened to you - how would you prove it?

Do you seriously believe if this is true - - the ET's let him have a Kodak moment?

Dunno about that Essedarius. I have questioned both owners and moderators here, I have always received a response to an enquiry. One of many good things I can say about both is, their open an honest and I feel they really give a # about the health of Above Top Secret and ATS Members.

The few times I have had something to say due to frustration or just plain thinking I was right and Admin was wrong, I directed my questions and thoughts in a U2U. Trying to humiliate a Member, Owner, Moderator or Super Moderator through a post may not be healthy. Simply because it's deliberate and rude, in my opinion.

Dallas

Tiloke that is an absolute fallacy. What crimes have you commited? I mean, you've already contacted the church trying to get me labeled an SP after standing up to your lies and standing up for freedom. Do you want me to contact the church, and tell ATS admins your crimes? Keep pushing it and I will try to do this.

If you'd like to continue your rant, go to the thread where you expose your character-- but if you'd like to discuss my faith, get off this thread.

This thread is to discuss the OP- not my religion and your lies.

EDIT: Keep pushing it, and i'm going to seek MOD action on your part in a huge way.

[edit on 1-2-2007 by IamnomanasIamallman]

Originally posted by Annee
Crakeur - - just One Question.
If it happened to you - how would you prove it?
Do you seriously believe if this is true - - the ET's let him have a Kodak moment?

Let me start with the obvious statement that I don't believe what he says.

That said, how would I prove it? If I did half the things he claims he did with aliens, I'd find a way to come up with something that would at least be an attempt to back up my claim. Pictures and videos can be faked but they would be a start.

Hell, all the great hoaxers have had pictures and/or videos. Billy Meier had his photos, Titor had his photos, etc. They were all found to be fakes. If I had the real deal, people would still say it was a fake but they wouldn't be able to prove it, thus leaving the door open. Without offering a single thing, other than a story, you make it very hard to take it seriously. Then you delve into hot alien sex and billiards and, well, you've got soft core alien porn like the crapola you see on skinamax after midnight.

Originally posted by IamnomanasIamallman
Tiloke go away you're a declared SP; your opinions need to go away as well. Get off my thread.

AmmoniumAmmonium... one thing ATS insists on is being polite! I am not part of the staff but I am posting on this thread and although you may have started it you still must abide by the T&C.

You are becoming more and more agressive and I'm respectfully wondering if you get enough to eat? If you don't get 3 squares a day and drink a few glasses of water it can really mess you up if you know what I mean!

Let me respectfully assure you that I am not a doctor nor do I play one on TV but I can recognize a real poor attitude when I see one.

Lighten up for all our sakes. Thanks!

John, when I was in highschool my mentor was a Navy Seal who killed close to 2,000 people over his career. You are not going to push me over the egdge.

You would benefit from this quote: "Discretion is the better part of valour."

I'd respectfully ask you to stop making fun of my name and focus on the OP.

[edit on 1-2-2007 by IamnomanasIamallman]

Originally posted by IamnomanasIamallman
John, when I was in highschool my mentor was a Navy Seal who killed close to 2,000 people over his career. You are not going to push me over the egdge.

You would benefit from this quote: "Discretion is the better part of valour."

I'd respectfully ask you to stop making fun of my name and focus on the OP.

[edit on 1-2-2007 by IamnomanasIamallman]

you sound close the the edge now. why does what you mentor did make you any better. sounds like you need to sort some things out. you should listen to someone like John Lear.

If there are people interested in going forward with examining this story in a way similar to the Serpo 'investigation' I would like to consolidate our intensions and what conclusions we would hope to come to.

If sleeper's personal information is out of bounds, we must move on and look elsewhere for information. The only other place we have to draw from is sleeper's writings, his threads, posts, and his blog.

So what are the intentions of the thread? Are we trying to prove his story or are we trying to disprove the story? Seeing as there isn't any evidence to pull from, I feel it would be more effective to try to find flaws in the information and put it up against varifiable facts.

To kill one red herring before it is used as an argument, NASA will not be used as a source of information. I am certain we would be able to find enough inconsistencies in the story without relying on possible inaccuracies from NASA.

I would narrow down our information gathering to several areas.

Inconsistant Details.

Whether they were explained away or not, inconsistencies in the story will be an important building block when trying to calculate the overall probability of believability.

Deflection

What questions have sleeper neglected to reply to, and is there a pattern to them? Finding a pattern in the deflection could help determine whether or not sleeper is purposely steering us away from information that could be varifiable as accurate or inaccurate.

Factual Inaccuracies

Has sleeper made statements that can be proven inaccurate. (Again, we are not going to go into claims that are supportable only by NASA, let's limit the factual inaccuracies to claims about Earth only.)

Theological Inconsistancies

Does anything sleeper says in his blog or posts contradict with the overall theology being presented? Are the aliens saying one thing but doing another? Is sleeper?

Milton

We should start getting a compilation of known information about Milton and the aliens in sleeper's story. Age, appearance, likes, dislikes, aims, that sort of stuff.

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There is a lot of reseach to do on this, but if we are going to take on 'vetting' sleeper, we need to get organized and seperate the information into a usable form.

Anyone have any other ideas?

Originally posted by IamnomanasIamallman
John, when I was in highschool my mentor was a Navy Seal who killed close to 2,000 people over his career. You are not going to push me over the egdge.
You would benefit from this quote: "Discretion is the better part of valour."
I'd respectfully ask you to stop making fun of my name and focus on the OP.

Please accept my apologies II, I am a poor speller and a little bit dyslexic. But just to be sure I understand this correctly, just in case I do push you over the edge what is going to happen to me? Is your Navy Seal friend going to kill me or are you going to kill me or what? 2000 people is a lot of people. I'd hate to be the 2001th.

And I'm not sure I understood correctly, did your Navy Seal friend kill 2000 people because someone pushed him over the edge, or did he kill 2000 people by pushing them over the edge? That would have been some edge. If you could clear that up for me I would be extremely appreciative.

And the only reason I ask is that you didn't mention whats going to happen if you do get accidentally pushed over the edge and I want to be clear on this point.

And also I would respectfully ask you to elaborate on exactly how you think I might benefit from the quote "Discretion is the better part of valor"? Thanks a million.

Originally posted by IamnomanasIamallman
John, when I was in highschool my mentor was a Navy Seal who killed close to 2,000 people over his career. You are not going to push me over the edge.

2000 killed ?? by a NAVY SEAL ??? was this a combined total for the Vietnam and Korean war ??? 2000 ??? is that confirmed kills ??....because if it were he would have a MOH by now........besides no self respecting Navy Seal is going to divulge his kills not matter what the amount is.

I find 2000 kills to be very suspicious......and downright unbelieveable.







[edit on 1-2-2007 by Alpha Grey]

so he's a self published author who is now posting a screenplay blog as well as posting much of the same story in that massive thread here on ATS?

yeah, I think my idea that driving up traffic and attention might help him sell his screenplay.

Does he write sci-fi fiction? I'm assuming he does or, at the very least, he writes something within the genre

To Alpha: U2U me if you desire-- stay on OP.

His novel was science fiction. And I do believe it is to drive up his sales. If you notice, right before this got out of hand, sleeper jokingly says Hank should reveal who he is because it will do what he hasn't been able to do in 10 years, which is national exposure. He then goes on to say revealing his identity is illegal.