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Originally posted by Spiderj
Now of course if laser beams are successful as weapons let's hope somebody figures out a way to protect our soldiers from the other guys laser wepons.
Originally posted by BASSPLYR
could you give me a basic breakdown of these various electromagnetic devices? Either on this thread or in a U2U. I am very familiar with a Railgun and how it works mechanicaly. I've never heard of a coilgun, guassgun, or a mass driver. At first I assumed that they were all different names for a rail gun but you said that each lay down the electromagnetic fields differently to fire the projectile. Curious and would like to discuss.
Also, I feel pound for pound or joule for joule a projectile weapon is superior to all currently known directed energy weapon systems or concepts.
Rail guns on naval ships will be awsome. Question though. What would the slugs look like? because at the velocities these things would be fireing, I could see a projectile shooting through the enire width of a cruiser and come clean out the other end leaving a small wound channel and not too much damange, although I could see it perferctly in use for surgical fireing on other ships. want to take out their propulsion, shoot a 20 lb slug at 5 miles a second into the ships main turbine. The range on a rail gun for shooting over the horizon targets must be increadable, and imagin how scary our tanks are going to be once these get implemented in them too.
Originally posted by pilotshinjiikaru
I dont think its going to be in our tanks in the next 20 years as these things are still huge. Just like lasers these systems are still too big and expensive to put into things like tanks and their energy requirement is still too high for those units.
In 1994-1995, The High Temperatures Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences sold the Pamir-3U mobile electric generator to the United States. The Pamir-3U had an output of 15 megawatt, dimensions of 2.5 x 2.65 x 10 meters, and weighed about 20 tons. The generator could be used in Russia (USSR) on the ground or in outer space for power supply to long-range laser and super high frequency weapon systems.
The Soviet Union also worked on designing of an "orbital fortress" based on a space station of the Mir type. Modules of the aiming system served as the side blocks of the station. The side blocks were attached to the basic module. The blocks were to be delivered to the station in cargo compartments of the Buran shuttle orbiter. The station was intended for killing of warheads of ballistic missiles from outer space when the crew was on board.
In 1983 flight trials of the approximately 60t laser device commenced on an Ilyushin Il-76MD heavylift transport. At the same time research was being carried out on the propagation of laser beams in the atmosphere.
Starting at the end of the 1960s, the Russians also developed ground-based nuclear laser systems for combating spacecraft. Unlike the American x-ray lasers, they could be used several times over. The programme was terminated after the USSR announced a unilateral moratorium on trials of the space defence system and the puzzling deaths of the two project managers in the mid-1980s.
The mobile Pamir-SU electro-generator, with an output of 15MW and a mass of around 20t, could supply power to long-range lasers and ultra-high-frequency weapon systems. It could be used both on the Earth and also in space. In 1994/1995 this equipment was sold to the USA.
The Soviets built high-energy laser devices in the 1980s and generally placed more emphasis on the weapons applications of lasers than did the West. The tactical laser program had progressed to the point that by the mid-1980s, U.S. analysts anticipated that laser weapons would be deployed with future Soviet forces.
But in the near future yes. But then again wouldnt it make all tanks obsolete?
I mean what kind of armor could produce to defend against that?
But then again arent missiles going to be obsolete as well when lasers can be fitted into aircraft?
I mean that thing travels at the speed of light must have incredible BVR range. But then again with a laser you have to see what your shooting.
Ionatron’s directed-energy weapons work like "man-made lightning" to disable people or vehicles that threaten our security. Ionatron intends to use our compact, non-lethal LIPC (Laser-Induced Plasma Channel) technology to replace guns as the weapon of choice in close-range defense.
Originally posted by centurion1211
Also check out the video under government prototypes page. I didn't notice it the first time I watched it, but you can actually see the weapon being fired from tanks, boats and other vehicles. It kind of resembles one of the "Star Wars blasters", where you see what looks like this short "piece of a beam" traveling away from the weapon.
Stream, or Potok in Russian, is a new portable laser weapon developed by the St. Petersburg Institute of Special Materials. Unlike all other laser weapons already known to the world, Stream can temporarily stun a human being without causing irreversible blindness or death.
"I guess you could call it a true technological breakthrough," said Arkady Khalyavitsky, one of the three inventors of Stream. "The most important thing is that the laser is non-lethal. To our knowledge, this is the first thing of this kind to be made in Russia or the world."
Weighing just 300 grams and around 15 centimeters long, Stream looks more like a pocket flashlight than a crowd-control weapon. In fact, it looks so ordinary that, at first glance, one would think it was just one of those laser pointers you can easily find down at Sennaya Ploshchad.
IMO it is this kind of technology that really scares russia, china, iran and other countries into trying to confront the U.S.
According to the Hong Kong media, in June 2000 the Chinese military was developing sophisticated laser artillery (also known as "death ray" artillery). It was listed in China's "1998 National Security System Project," adopted by Jiang Zemin in 1999.
The PLA successfully tested laser artillery – for the second time – in intercepting low-flying missiles in the Qinghai-Tibet Plateau in early June 2000. This laser weapon could significantly upgrade the anti-aircraft and anti-missile capability of, particularly, the PLA navy. Reportedly, new tests of "laser artillery" took place in 2001.
It should be emphasized that China received from Russia much of its laser technology, both for civilian and military use, from 1992 to 1998. And in June 1999, in Moscow, Col.-Gen. Zhang Wannian concluded agreements on joint laser-weapons development.
There have been occasional reports of actual laser weapons, usually in the Hong Kong press. In late 2003 Taiwanese military sources reported that the PLA had deployed a “laser cannon” with a 100km range in the Nanjing Military Region.  While this alarming report received no coverage in the U.S., if true it would handily precede U.S. intentions to deploy its first ground-based laser weapons by 2007 or 2008. The U.S. hopes to test an airborne chemical laser in 2004 and is developing a range of military lasers to include air, naval and land-based solid-state lasers. If it indeed exists, the PLA’s laser would be useful for shooting down aircraft, cruise missiles, some PGMs and some ballistic missiles. In addition, Internet sources indicate the PLA Army has a laser-radar (LIDAR) system small enough to place on an armored personnel carrier for chemical detection purposes.
The Pentagon’s Congressionally-mandated annual reports on PLA modernization have been warning about potential breakthroughs in laser weapons since their first issue in late 1998. In its 2002 report the Department of Defense stated, “China reportedly is focusing its laser weapon development on anti-personnel, counter-precision guided munitions air defense, and ASAT roles.” Beginning with its 1998 report the Department of Defense noted the probable PLA use of ground-based lasers to damage satellites. In its 2002 report the U.S. Department of Defense stated this observation as follows:
In 1984 Russia used a laser to track the U.S. space shuttle and caused some malfunctions. In the early 1990s Western observers were surprised to discover the KDKhR-1N laser-based “chemical reconnaissance system.” Russian ships have used lasers to ward off U.S. aircraft, and on occasion have blinded U.S. pilots. Developed in the 1980s it is a laser-radar on a tracked APC chassis configured to detect and classify chemical agents. Russia markets a variety of laser tracking and designating systems. One system marketed at the 2003 Moscow Airshow, the Nudelman Precision Engineering Bureau’s PAPV uses lasers to locate enemy optics, like a sniper scope, and deliver a laser blast that blinds the sniper, or worse.
Lasers. The PLA’s intense interest in laser weapons exemplifies its quest for next-generation technology that also exploits the weaknesses of potential enemies. Lasers were a key area on investment for the “863-Program.” Pro-RMA officers view lasers as a key weapons technology for the future. The PLA envisions using lasers for anti-air, satellite tracking, anti-satellite, and for radar functions.[xiii] In 1995 the PLA company Norinco marketed its ZM-87 battlefield laser dazzler. The 1998 Pentagon PLA report noted that the PLA might already have a ground-based laser capable of damaging low-orbit reconnaissance satellites. Last year the Select Committee suggested that Russia might be a source of nuclear-pump laser technology for the PRC for use in space.[xiv] Last October the PLA revealed for the first time its Type-98 main battle tank, which has a box on the hull that may be a low-light camera or a laser dazzler. According to the Pentagon’s PLA report released in June, China “reportedly is investigating the feasibility of shipborne laser weapons for air defense.”
now because they know that by the time they catch up to what this does, the U.S. will then be far beyond this technology - if it isn't already now. And all the money and effort they've put into their current weapons systems will have been wasted.