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Barbara Boxer Says Condi Rice Can't Know Price Of Sacrifice

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posted on Jan, 17 2007 @ 10:30 PM
Grady, your whole last set of comments are ridiculous.

I love how you magnet patriots pick and choose your heroes. If they're gung ho blood and guts - and blinde, deaf and dumb, you hail them; but when they have a valid opinion you deride them. Its pretty sad and pretty weak.

I served my country in good faith and with distinction. Those who served with me and supported me know that. I could care less what your uninformed opinion is of that. It means nothing. Ain't it grand?

posted on Jan, 17 2007 @ 10:32 PM
soldiers don't affect american freedom in any way in today's world

we have freedom here in the us because of the constitution and all that good stuff...

fighting in iraq or anywhere else does not affect our freedom here in the us...

and if you think otherwise, you are dead wrong...

posted on Jan, 17 2007 @ 10:46 PM
John Kerry ostensibly fought for freedom, then returned home to become the voice of the NVA. No amount of combat awards can justify that.

And you still haven't answered the question of why you are a freedom fighter and Sheehan is just a chump.

posted on Jan, 17 2007 @ 11:01 PM
Barbara is correct. There is no way on earth Condaleeeza could possibly know the price of sacrifice...but she's not alone. Most people in power never have seen a day fighting in a battle much less their offsprings.
I will have respect and understanding when someone in power offers one of their own or themselves to be on the front lines.
Of course, i am speaking about THIS war. I would pick up arms myself if this were a genuine war for my country- without question.
In life, in the world, people have sacrificed their young to stop Communism and the like. I admire this. I do not abdicate sending our youth for a war Bush wants at all costs. A senseless war, need i remind you all.
When your child dies in a noble way, in a war, no one in the world, not even the father can possibly "feel" that emotional tie and bond between a mother and child. To be noble is wonderful. To be alive is just one shot.
You only have one shot at life- If you're going to lose that chance, it should be for a great cause indeed.
When the call comes to fight something worthy, I hope those who are able will do so. For something worthy.
Something worthy, like an IMMINENT threat to this country we all love so much.

posted on Jan, 17 2007 @ 11:13 PM

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
John Kerry ostensibly fought for freedom, then returned home to become the voice of the NVA. No amount of combat awards can justify that.

The voice of the NVA? I hate to break this to you, Grady, but that voice was the TRUTH.

For you to attack John Kerry's service is below the belt. I say that as a veteran.

And you still haven't answered the question of why you are a freedom fighter and Sheehan is just a chump.

I said I fought for my country.

I never said sheehan is a chump. That's your bag. Or don't you remember your own schtick at this point?

ps.. you should read and digest DG's comments. DG knows of what she speaks.

posted on Jan, 18 2007 @ 05:58 AM

Originally posted by EastCoastKid

Originally posted by jsobecky
This was wrong on so many levels. To imply that only people with relatives currently serving can understand sacrifice is outrageous. And to emphasize the fact that Rice is childless is to minimize the feminist movement.

so many levels?

If Condoleez Rice had a child who had to or volunteered to serve, she would think more deeply about deploying troops to our current war zone. That is a fact, jack.

No, it isn't a "fact". It's your opinion, and as the late Patrick Moynihan once said,
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts".

If you disagree with that assumption, you are completely unhinged from reality, just like Duhbya.

Well, now we're getting somewhere. Your "facts" have been dowgraded to "assumptions".

Perhaps Ms. Boxer thinks that only Cindy Sheehan truly understands the word sacrifice.

Cindy Sheehan has lost her child, her beloved child. To this insane, senseless war. No one who is without child can know that woman's pain. For you to even allege that they could shows your unhingement. And yes, I did just make that word up.

Noone can know Sheehan's personal pain. To extrapolate that to say anybody that has not experienced a similar loss can feel any pain is wrong.

And to ask you the same question that you asked Grady, do you know Cindy Sheehan personally?

I didn't think so.

How can you posibly speak for her?

This current group of Democrats apparently do not care about bipartisan efforts to solve problems. They continue with their pre-November mudslinging tactics, unaware that the American public is sick and tired of it.

Note to the last American remnant of Bush supporters:

The November election was pure repudiation of Bush's misguided effort in IRaq.

What has Iraq got to do with the past 6 years of refusal to work in a bipartisan manner? You are mixing topics together in an effort to appear that you have a cogent argument. It isn't working.

posted on Jan, 18 2007 @ 10:02 AM

Originally posted by EastCoastKid

Did you know him personally?

I didn't think so.

You don't know Casey Sheehan. You don't know why he joined. You have no idea what he would have thot about his mothers' current advocacy. He'd probly punch your front teeth out for talking sh** about his mother - if he wasn't DEAD.

First of all, don't try to mirror your feelings with those of Casey... If you want to "punch my teeth out" just be a man and say so.... instead of speaking out for a death man who apparently you didn't take your time to find out what he thought about the war, and what actions he took before he died....

Actually I do know what Casey thought, you know why? interviews were done on tv with the rest of the family and that's what everyone were saying, including Casey's husband who left Cindy because she was using the death of their son for political motives....

Casey freely re-enlisted in 2004 in the army.... Which if he thought the war was about oil and all the other claims people like you and his mom have made He wouldn't have re-enlisted.....

He enlisted in the Army when he was twenty years old. He decided to be a mechanic. He would undergo Combat Lifesaver training - a class on how to give IVs and treat trauma only second in intense learning to combat medic training. He was also certified to assist with giving communion to soldiers while in the field.

Specialist Sheehan re-enlisted in the Army in 2004 knowing full well that he could be sent into a combat zone.
Casey Sheehan's Sergeant asked for volunteers. Sheehan had just returned from Mass. After Sheehan volunteered once, the Sergeant asked Sheehan again if he wanted to go on the mission. According to many reports (and according to his own mother), Casey responded, "Where my Chief goes, I go."

You shouldn't try to mirror your own thoughts and political agenda on a dead man whose actions speak for themselves.....

Though Sheehan's protest has galvanized support among antiwar activists, it has divided parts of her own family, some of whom sent an e-mail to news organizations distancing themselves from her protest.

"We do not agree with the political motivations and publicity tactics of Cindy Sheehan. She now appears to be promoting her own personal agenda and notoriety at the expense of her son's good name and reputation," said an e-mail sent to the Reporter newspaper, in Vacaville. The e-mail was signed by Casey Sheehan's aunt Cherie Quartarolo on behalf of his paternal grandparents, aunts, uncles and cousins.

"The Sheehan family lost our beloved Casey in the Iraq War and we have been silently, respectfully grieving," the e-mail said. "The rest of the Sheehan family supports the troops, our country and our president, silently, with prayer and respect."

Sheehan, however, told the paper that the admonition came from in-laws who often disagreed with her.

"We have always been on separate sides of the fence politically and I have not spoken to them since the elections when they supported the man who is responsible for Casey's death," Sheehan said. "The thing that matters to me is that my family, Casey's dad and my other three kids, are on the same side of the fence that I am."

One of casey's sisters joined with her mother on the political activities, but there has been separation in the family because a great part of the family says Cindy is using her son's death just to promote her political agenda.

Pat Sheehan, Cindy's husband left her in 2005 for "irreconcievable differences".... Cindy's own responses to this separation have changed from "the separation was because of her political activities" to "they separated because of the grief over their son's death"...

Pat Sheehan obviously does not want to use his son's death for any political agenda...

The toll of her son's death has carried over into Ms. Sheehan's marriage: She said she and her husband separated a few months ago as a result of the war, and of her activism. Although she and her estranged husband are both Democrats, she said she is more liberal than he is, and now, more radicalized.

"He agrees with the philosophy of what I'm doing," Ms. Sheehan said, "but not the intensity. He wanted me to pull back, but I couldn't. We grieved in two completely different ways."

As a result of the war (a vague phrasing) and her activism? That's different from what she said to CNN:

She and her husband are separated, affected by the stress of losing their son.
Two days ago, the marital problems were because of Casey's death; today they are because of her activism.

Perhaps the notion that her activism had nothing to do with the problems in her relationships was an untenable position given the opinions clearly voiced by Patrick Sheehan's family in the Cherie Quatarolo letter. In fact, on August 11, she was quote at as saying her husband would support her against the rest of his family:

Cindy treated it [the Quartarolo letter] with a shrug. Her husband will send out a more detailed response soon. In the meantime, Cindy says the letter is to be treated as little more than bad, dumb noise.
There has been no detailed response yet, only more detail on the estrangement between Cindy and Patrick.

For two years there was no headstone on casey's tomb, Cindy has claimed different things regarding to there being no headstone on her son's tomb.

From the reason was that she didn't want to accept her son was dead, to disputes over money issues and it was too expensive despite the fact that the U.S. govenrment would have provided for a headstone if it was asked...., She has also been paid money for her political activities, and there have been contributors who made donations, so i kind ofdoubt "she didn't have the money..... Here is a bit of information about it.

Even the father of Casey's best friend in the military, wrote letters about both Casey and his own son.

My son knew Cindy Sheehan's son
My name is Jan Johnson, and my son, Justin Johnson knew Casey Sheehan (son of the well-known Cindy Sheehan) very well. They were in fact very close friends after they met in the U.S. Army at Fort Hood.
Justin and Casey shipped off together to Iraq, and their friendship grew stronger as they spent more time together and shared the experiences of serving their country at a time of war.
On April 4, 2006, Casey Sheehan died in Sadr City, Iraq when his unit was attacked with rocket-propelled grenades and small arms fire. The news of Casey's death was devastating for Justin, and he went online to express his condolences to the Sheehan family:
My name is Spc. Justin Johnson of the 1-82 field arty battalion. Casey was a great friend of mine and is missed by us. All I wanted to say he is in my heart all the time."
Six days later, Justin himself died in the same city as Casey Sheehan when the Humvee he was traveling in hit an IED.
My family's story does not end there. At the age of 45, my husband Joe Johnson re-enlisted and went to Iraq. He was determined to fight for this nation in response to the 9/11 attacks, the attack on the U.S.S. Cole and all the other acts of terror against the U.S. and its citizens. And now Joe's son had died in the war on terror as well, and he had the chance to avenge his son's death in Iraq.
The death of Justin has been an immeasurably painful experience for my husband and I. We loved our son very much and wish so badly he was still with us today - more than just in our hearts and prayers.
We wish to honor Justin Johnson and Casey Sheehan. They are heroes who gave all to sacrifice for their nation.
Watching the actions of Cindy Sheehan and some of her supporters the past 2 years has been painful for me at times. I do not think that many of her actions and tactics properly honor the brave efforts of our troops serving in the war against terrorism. I've been determined to find a way to give voice to America's heroes, including my son, and now there is one way that I can be sure he and Casey will be properly honored.
There is a new book you've probably heard about called "American Mourning" written by Melanie Morgan (Chairman of Move America Forward) and Catherine Moy (reporter for the Vacaville Reporter).
This is the story of my boy, Justin and his friend, Casey. It is a story that has largely gone untold. Oh sure, everyone in the nation knows what Cindy Sheehan thinks about President Bush, but that's not what I think our nation should focus on.
I think we should instead pay tribute to the wonderful men and women who have given their lives for this nation, and whose service and sacrifice keeps our nation strong and free.
I think it would be a great honor for Casey and Justin if we could help make this book the #1 Bestseller at I am hoping that each one of you reading this will pick up at least 1 copy. The book is about $15. It will be a compelling read for yourself, and make for a great gift for someone this holiday season.
If there's some justice in the world we can get that book to #1 and get the story told that deserves to be told about America's finest.
Thank you for reading my letter. God Bless you and God Bless America!
Fondly, Jan Johnson
Rome, Georgia

[edit on 18-1-2007 by Muaddib]

posted on Jan, 19 2007 @ 09:13 AM

It's been a while since I've seen such a rampant bunch of name calling. I think it back about thirty five years ago in elementary school.

Just what has bee accomplished in the four plus pages of namecalling and cheapshotting? Alot of you are the ones who call for toleration of differing opinions, too. Or is that only when someone agrees with you?

Just thought I'd throw this in. Continue on by all means...

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