Personally I think the amount of money given to Israel by the US is obscene, it makes me sick to pay for the new apartheid.
But anyway, in response to the original question.
Are the Jews the villains of the plot as many believe or not, throughtout history they have been persecuted and expelled from one country after
another.
'The Jews' aren't anything but a demographic, comprised of individuals. In my opinion they have been singled out for persecution throughout the
ages because some religious or overly-political Jews maintain a separate culture, separate laws, and separate values, that often conflict with those
enshrined in their 'host' country.
It can be an insular culture, and very difficult to understand, with strange customs and laws. People who are different, and people who answer to a
higher law than the law of the land, often face persecution at the hands of ignorant peasants and petty tyrants both.
It really wasn't any different for Christians before their dominion over Europe became a foregone conclusion.
Are they victims of their own sucess, their smart business people involved in world wide banking etc. but is that the reason why they are
persecuted.
There are a number of examples throughout history where this has indeed been the case. Jewish merchants were tolerated for a long time in Europe, but
when they gained too much influence and power in any one region, anti-Jewish sentiment rose up, seemingly out of nowhere. Sometimes it was the church
authority seeding the mistrust and hatred, other times it was more of a nationalist sentiment behind the shift.
In any case, Jews have been all over the world for 1500+ years (nobody even knows when the first Jews arrived in Europe), and they were often
grudgingly accepted until they challenged the power structures in place, at which point they became unwelcome.
Why are they deemed "special", why does the Talmud say they are the chosen ones and we the gentiles are lower than the beast of the field and should
be treated as such.
The ancient books of various religions say a lot of things that are no longer applicable. Moderate religious people shrug off these historical
relics, while extremists embrace them to justify horrible barbarism. Don't direct your anger at 'Jews' or the Talmud, direct your anger at the
people who live their lives based off literal interpretations of ancient texts.
The Jews aren't better than everyone else, and most of them don't delude themselves into thinking that way. The few that do ought to be considered
religious extremists, no different than the Muslim/Christian extremists who commit acts of violence with the support of their twisted ideologies.
Why does the ADL seek to control those who speak out against the Jeweish people, why is the Holocaust such a sacred cow that cannot be in some
countries not even discussed, why is it that this group of people can be treated completely different than any other race.
I don't know why they do what they do, I suspect it's out of fear and a sense of entitlement, and a desire to prevent a neo-holocaust. Still, I
agree it's wrong-headed and foolish to be so rabid about it.
Just because someone criticizes a Jew, or the nation of Israel, does not mean they're anti-Jew or a racist. Some Jews are bad people, just like some
blacks, some Indians, some Americans are bad people, it's not a slur against the entire race to point that fact out.
I think the ADL ought to focus its attention against people who defame an entire race based on the actions of an individual, or a few people. That
would be a noble cause.
The Red Indian was almost exterminated by the White Man, the Spanish decimated the South American Tribes, history is replete with such events all of
which can be talked about openly but not the Holocaust, Why.
I don't know. You can talk about the Gypsy holocaust, you just can't talk about the Jewish holocaust. It's a nonsensical double standard, and
it's always led me to believe there's something buried that isn't supposed to be found.
But what do I know, I'm just a mixed-blood, middle-class mongrel with an axe to grind...
Why is it that the Nation of Israel can carry out acts of Genocide, supported by the US/UK I may add, yet we wage war against Despots like Saddam etc.
What is so unique about Israel and the Jewish people that they can virtually do what they like and are answerable to no one.
Have you ever been sick? Like, a cold, or the flu? You know how you can get away with a lot more after you've come down with something? I think it
works the same way...
People think that because the Jews had such a tragedy befall them, that they might deserve a softer treatment, or might warrant kid gloves...
I disagree. I also don't think it's really relevant to talk about 'The Jews' as a single entity, because they're just not. I've known a number
of Jewish individuals in my lifetime, and they are not one entity, one mind, one agenda. They are individuals and should be treated as such.
As far as the holocaust, I know it's a sensitive topic, but frankly I don't care. There were other victimized groups, none of which seem to demand
the same special treatment. Then again, nobody (to my knowledge) has ever questioned the Gypsy death toll with the clear agenda of minimizing the
horror of the event, or excusing the perpetrators, so it might be a more complicated issue than I make it out to be. There are a lot of racist
scumbags in the world who would love to change history and pave the way for a new holocaust, so we have to be careful we don't allow free and open
discussion to morph into revisionist history and hate-mongering.
As far as I'm concerned, it's all about intent. If the intent is to attack and discredit 'the Jews' we shouldn't tolerate such speech. If the
intent is to objectively analyze the facts, we shouldn't be adverse to listening and learning, and the ADL can sit and spin if they don't like it.
So, screw the ADL, investigate and discuss the holocaust to your heart's content.
I realize I'm all over the place here, but that's precisely the point. These issues have to be taken on their individual merits. Just because
someone supports Israel doesn't mean they should support barabarism and brutality by Israelis, and just because someone condemns Israel, doesn't
mean they should hate all Jews or support the nutters who attack innocent people. The enemy of my enemy is my friend, except when the enemy of my
enemy is also an enemy to decent people everywhere, yaknow?
And why dose anyone who wants to talk about the jewish people called anti semite, is that just used to shut people up are the Jewish people hiding
something that they dont want to share with the rest of us.
There are a lot of seriously messed up people who want to blame the Jews for everything bad that has ever happened. Similarly, there are a lot of
messed up people who think Jewish people can do no wrong. Neither group is thinking logically, and neither group can be trusted to act according to
the facts in any given situation.
The rabid anti-anti-semites want to turn every issue involving a Jew or Israel into a debate about the entire race. It's stupid and pointless trying
to argue with these people, because as far as they're concerned, Jews walk on water and can do no wrong. Because of the existence of the other group
(who constantly seek to demonize Jews without cause), the 'defenders' see themselves as a necessary counter to the other extreme.
Some Jews are bad, some are good - fact. Sometimes Israel acts right, sometimes wrong - fact. It's not an all-or-nothing deal here, and I don't
see how any logical person could think in those terms.
