Surviving a Zombie Outbreak

reply to post by docklands


in the books that i and many others have mentioned it says that there is a sort of sixth sense.

I personally have thought much on what I would do in a Zombie Outbreak.
I have a real life buddy who is obsessed with it and sometimes it seems he looks forward to the day.
On my long long deliberations on what I would do with myself and my family I have come up with 2 possible Options.

Option Alpha:
I live in Cheyenne WY. Populations 53000 Very few people here. I am military and trained in rifles. I own a Ruger 10/22 with 2 additional 25 round magazines. So I have on hand at all times 60 rounds ready to fire. I know its not much but its something. Being somewhat of a marksman I do believe my rifle to be my best defense. If I were to find myself surrounded by zombies I would not have much hope with whether wielding a sword or a pair of chopsticks. What I have considered doing.
In my small home I have an attic that requires a chair to climb into. No ladder no floor level access. I have thought of preparing the attic with supplies of food to last several months. My rifle and Ammunition (I keep 4 boxes of 500 rounds of 22LR ammo on hand at all times in my home). Bagged water and perhaps running a faucet up there. And kinetic powered lamps/flashlights. In case of outbreak all I would need to do is aid my wife in climbing up, handing up my child/pets if time is allowed, and then jumping up and closing the access hole. Zombies able to break into my house (hopefully not being on the main level would deter them from entereing) would not be able to climb up. And those that did enter would catch a .22 round to the skull with my peeping and firing. Being a long barrelled rifle and such a small caliber the sound is not that loud. I do not even use earplugs when firing. In this scenario I would know my familiy is safe and would go on food runs to the local stores, picking off any zombies I can along the way and heading back. A simple pully system would ensure fast placement of food in the attic and canned goods have a great shelflife.


Option Bravo.

Two doors down a neighbor has a pickup truck that is lifted 3 feet from the ground. I have researched how to hotwire a car. I would simply gather up a few of my camel-backs. Put on my Body Armor that was military issued. A set of BDUs with cold weather gear to ensure no gaps. Quickly escort my family to the vehicle. Rifle and ammo on hand of course. And then I would proceed to Wal-Mart. Yes Yes I know dense area blah blah blah. But once more population 53000. Chances are by the time someone looking for an outbreak hears word of something like it they are already preparing. I would be holed up before it even got near Cheyenne. But I could easily fight to Wal-Mart. Why Wal-Mart you say? I will tell you.
Wal-Mart has on hand at most stores.
1. 30-40 Long Barrelled 22 Rifles.
2. 200-500 boxes of .22LR ammo holding 500 rounds each. (100,000-250,000 bullets)
3. Canned goods on floor level and on gondola's in back.
4. A Diesel Generator.
5. Blunt/Sharp Melee Objects.
6. Running Water (Sometimes and Preferrably Well Water)
7. A minimum of 1 ladder to a roof access hatch. (Only way up there)
8. Supplies to build a roof fortification.
9. Tools to Build a roof fortification.
10. Changes of clothing to prevent the spread of disease and bacteria among survivors.
11. Loudspeakers to throw off zombies with sound througout the store.
12. Entertainment. (Board Games, Electronics, Music, Sports.)
13. Batteries for items needed for survival. (Hand held radios, Flashlights, etc)
14. CB and Emergency Band Radios.
15. A full store surveilance system. Someone could hole up in the guard room and see everything goin on in and outside of the store.
16. Toys to keep the children's minds off of the situation.
17. Beds and Chairs to ease fatigue.
18. A full Pharmacy of Medicine to help with disease and injury.

I am sure there is more that I am missing but those are just a few of the amazing strong points of holding a Wal-Mart SuperCenter. Now on to what I would do.

Enter the store with family/friends. Barricade quickly and sloppily. Speed is a factor here. You can always Barricade more when you know you are clear. B-line for the roof access. All Survivors would head to the roof and remain there. Small scouting parties of 2-3 men trained in shooting or trainable in shooting would enter the store. Spend 30 minutes fortifying. 30 mintues gathering. And 30 mintues hauling the supplies to the roof. An hour and a half of work ensures least amount of Zombie attracting while fortifying and gathering enough supplies for 2-3 weeks. After the first supply run is completed. A slightly larger scouting part would enter and gather resources to build a fortified roof buliding. Tear down gondolas. Raid hardware. Whatever is needed to build a structure on the roof for weather and other harm protection. Now we have enough to live while we build. Once the structure is formed we would send parties down daily to retrieve 2-3 weeks of supplies. We would eventually become well stocked enough to last months or even years in a matter of just weeks. Our ammuntion and guns would allow us to kill any nearby Zeds. If they became attracted to the roofies. We would simply shoot a car far away that has an alarm. It should set off attracting the Zeds. Now that we are good on food/water and things we can send daily ammo and entertainment runs to gather things to pass the time. As well as a radio we could use to cmmunicate. I am a bit of an electrician in the Air force so I could make it work.

Now I will continue this later but I must head to bed.

reply to post by thelibra


I am going to make this post about the real zombie outbreak we are in today. I will show how this post is about that. Zombies being us, just asleep, the regular people going about our day to day action (in the elite perspective) living in primitive emotion and patterned action. (less evolved apes) I do not claim this is the intent of the OP, only that it is a common analogy not spoken of in public consciousness

Surviving a Zombie Outbreak

Zombies have very infectious bodily fluids.
They breed and spread, out numbering the elite, hence need for population control.

Zombies do not breathe.
Do not speak out

Zombies feel no pain.
Are not empathetic to the feelings of others either.

Zombies lack the ability to use items (tools, weapons, door handles, etc).
Or weapons of money, propaganda, manipulation, and distortion.

Zombies are emotionless.
Not Living but numb to the realities of the world, asleep.

Zombies can only be "killed" by destroying the brain.
They must destroy thought and critical thinking to end a zombie that goes after the elite.

Zombies are not susceptible to "holy items" or "prayer".
the tools of faith and teachings of goodness empower zombies. It is one of our strengths.

Zombies will alert other zombies through their moans and wails.
We Zombies will try and spread the message pointing out the threat from those that claim to live. Although they will only sound like complaints and screams of emotion, not knowledge and thought.

Zombies do not heal.
ya wanna bet

Zombies are poor climbers.
They do not follow the rules set by the elites to reach the highest levels of power, note how this only belongs in his list if you look at this as an analogy.

Zombies are relatively slow due to poor muscle coordination.
They do not coordinate there efforts, they are kept fighting among themselves.

Zombies do not appear to use their circulatory system.
They do not spread information efficiently. They keep there thoughts to themselves

Zombies appear to repulse almost all living creatures (including bacteria).
Only if the living are considered the elite, the self proclaimed eliete are repulsed by common people.

Zombies never fear.
We have faith, the opposite of fear.

The Problem With Guns
Ask anyone off the street what the best weapon is to use against zombies and 9/10 times they will say "a shotgun". However, there's a few real big problems with guns, and especially shotguns.
People on the street, zombies, think the elite use force, they use control. Note that the best weapon is the one outlined by Donald Rumsfield on 9/10 and the aftermath of control and manipulation of the next day. The attack was not their weapon, it was using it to control through fear that was the weapon.

They're loud, and will alert every zombie for miles to your presence.
Force does not work because it wakes up more zombies to the true threat from the elite.

They require ammunition.
They need constant reason to use force to be able to justify it to society, things like 9/11

They require reloading.
Force is control through fear, fear must be maintained at all times to work.

Every shot must be a successful head shot (much harder than it sounds).
Got to go for the leaders, or the thinking ones.

They can jam, or otherwise break.
Force can even be overcome by many zombies

Further, shotguns might not even hit, much less, penetrate the skull, unless a slug is used in lieu of shot.
Non targeted attacks, mass propaganda will miss many targets, so sometimes specifically target threats against individuals and groups are used.

For those that would like to give the "silencer" example, I submit to you the fact that silencers don't work like they do in the movie, and a silenced gun still produces about 50dB of sound, which can be heard from 500 ft away on a quiet street.
Even an attempted cover up of the use of force, leads to more being woken up.

However, rifles can provide a great method of taking out zombies at a distance if one can remain out of their reach. A disciplined amateur marksman could take out thousands of zombies, provided they had enough ammunition, were out of reach of the zombies, and kept aiming for the head.
Ah the trick, stay in the shadows of secrecy, where the zombies can not see where the real threat is.

Pistols are really only good as a backup weapon or a suicide weapon in the event you or another mate are bitten.
Well suicide is never the answer, but use of this loud force would lead to the self destruction of elite.

Fight On Your Terms
Only a bloody idiot would charge zombies on their level and try to take them out like Conan or Arnold. If you have to get from Point A to Point B, and there's thousands of zombies in the way, your best bet is to sneak past them. If you are discovered, then run. Zombies (probably) lack the muscular balance and coordination necessary to run, and further, their muscles will deteriorate with use and not be healed (which is what makes us living humans stronger). Meaning zombies are actively destroying themselves merely by walking around. They are, however, hopelessly fixated, walking in more or less a straight line when shuffling after their prey.

Read the previous paragraph with my analogy it fits.

Therefore, learn to use the landscape.

Zombies can easily be "herded", the problem is to avoid being surrounded.
Herded like sheep.

Learn to use elevation to its maximum advantage.
Use the powers higher status has

Do not, however, underestimate the power of a solid wall of people several people deep.
He even uses people here instead of zombies! He also admits the power of a coordinated zombie awakening

Fire is a Bad Idea
The passions and the fire of the knowledge of what is right, the strength and courage to walk with that fire, is not something the elite like in us zombies.

(more to come...)
yup

[edit on 6-10-2007 by Redge777]

I am sorry, guys, but I don't see any reason to believe that zombies exist in this world, other than the works of fiction. The books by Max Brooks, although entertaining, was listed in the humor section. If you have a link with at least a real zombie sighting or outbreak, please link it.

reply to post by ZombieAssassin


I've always thought wal-mart was a rather ideal place to be in this particular situation. The problem is they are always open, so the place is going to be pretty wrecked up and infested when you get there. If you can secure the building, there aren't many places that would be better in my opinion.

reply to post by truthsetfree2009


i think this is just hypothetical (sp?) BTW nice avatar

reply to post by coryblood


Thanks, love Rage


I see what you are saying; it never hurts to be prepared. The only real zombie stories I have heard are the "voodoo zombies." I am kind of sketchy on the details, but apparently victims are fed some kind of potion made with pufferfish poison. The poison is supposed to put them in a death-like state and when they are burried, they "rise from the dead."

reply to post by truthsetfree2009


and sometimes the lack of oxygen in the grave makes them mentally retarded. so people call them zombies

i work at a large mall (one of the uk's largest) our staff level is...
- third floor
-large water reserves
-large fuel reserves
-large amount of canned food and medical supplies
-roof access
- only two ways in, one easy to barricade and the other easy to destroy.
-access to weapons , chainsaws,hammers,glaves,clubs and many other things
-areas to rest,sleep and live.

perfect for survival with a days notice could house around 500 people for 6 months.

okim i get very bored at work and think of this senario all the time.

1: Don't tie yourself down to any particular location.

2: Carry a light weapon, preferably melee like a short sword or large knife.

3: Carry a ranged weapon, preferably a crossbow, as bolts can be re-used provided you're accurate enough to land the bolt in a soft target.

4: Learn to move quietly.

5: Never engage more than one zombie in open combat - one zombie is bad enough, two or three is a crowd, any more than that and you're in the wrong place at exactly the wrong time.

6: Upon visual confirmation of survivors, shadow them for a few days to discover their social demeanor - if they appear hostile to outsiders, leave.

7: Upon visual confirmation of a zombie swarm, do not try to hide, do not try to fight - run for your life.

8: To escape a zombie swarm - Head for an open area, do not stop moving until a solid obstruction is made between you and the zombies; they are not human, they do not suffer fatigue, they can smell which direction you've ran to - once the obstruction has been found, move to a different area and keep moving. Zombies are inevitably going to find you, you cannot hide forever.

9: Upon visual confirmation of friendlies, take steps to ensure each individual is fully aware of what they are dealing with - they need to be prepared to take on the legions of hell if they plan on sticking together.

10: The only confirmed methods of dispatching a zombie is via direct assault to the cranium or through sufficient destruction of body mass - as such, no biological agent is ever going to stop the zombies.

The zombie like in 28 weeks later make it a totally different environment for they can spread the disease with any bodily fluids and can infect by passing it through either the eyes nose or mouth, so the more limited direct blood transfer is not the only way.

The really bad part is the strength and speed of those zombies that make survival rather limited unless you can isolate yourself or at least keep a good distance with heights. The good part was they can starve which just means you need to just hole up somewhere.

I do not fear zombies as much as body snatchers or The Prince of Darkness type zombies that have intelligence controlling them.

Zombie Pub Crawl on the 27th in my town!! everyone dresses like a zombie and goes a-drinkin until we're all stumbling around like zombies.

It'll be great.

providence place mall???
We could make that zombie central
or maybe the Ocean Mist.
It would just be our luck that we'd have a shaun of the dead situation and be attacked after the tenth pint.

The trick to surviving a Zombie out break is to separate yourselves from them. Walls, any type of war mart or mall with a gun shop, Castles or walled mansion estates, houses on a big hill, if you have time to built any walls. Anyplace where you can renew your water supply and renew your food supply.

Sooner or later your food source is going to diminish, so in effect your survival becomes a type of prison. Idle minds are the devil's workshop.

Lets say you with your family arrive at a Wal-Mart, to find this outbreak in full swing, You are the last group of people to make it in the doors before they are locked. There are 50-100 people in the store, people are crying and screaming, there is blood everywhere, what do you do?

You step up, Get the attention of as many people you can because you must act quickly. Your first two priority's are to secure all entrance's and quarantine any bite victims and post guards over them. Ask for two store employees to to show any volunteers where all entrances are tell them to goto each entrance and post a guard.

Groups need to be formed, try to keep everyone busy or you could have massive panic on your hands. Keep asking for volunteers, drafting some one if you have two. One small group does a inventory of what is in the store. Two groups as guards, with radio's at each entrance one group on duty at all times, if a problem arises the whole second group will be the first reinforcements. A group to reinforce all entrances, use what ever you need to barricade the entrance.

Once you feel secure you need to turn your energies to water and food needs. The Food part would be easy in a wal-mart most have a big garden department, and you could grow food on the roof and indoors, as long as you have a power supply. You would have a endless supply of buckets for catching rainwater and you could convert fish aquariums to use as filters for the rain water.

But this sucks. Who wants to live in a wal-mart?

What you need to do is to buy a really big hill, and build a Castle on it with a well and walls around the base of the hill. Once you have the castle built, make sure you have some towers around your wall for snipers. Build gardens, stables and other animal dwellings. Keep a well stocked armory, AR-15s or any assualt rifle, Shotguns, Sniper rifles, and make sure you have a reloading room with a huge stock pile of supplies.

Buy your self a solar, wind and fuel cell power supplies to install after a Zombie Outbreak. Open it to the public, as a bed and breakfast, or a fancy hotel, this insures a healthy gene pull when the rest of the world dies, then decides to get back up. Hire me as your Chef, after you make me a cherry offer, then everyone can liver happily ever after.


[edit on 23-10-2007 by LDragonFire]

reply to post by shadow watcher


Here's some info

It'll be great!

www.youtube.com...


The Horror

Providence Zombie Pub Crawl.

There was no surviving that

Originally posted by Vekar
Roofs are your friend, zombies cannot climb unless there is a heaping stack of bodies with which to climb. In my area I have a distinct advantage, MESAS, and most of the ones around me are shear cliffs all the way around, you can get up, but they cannot.
Those who would use a truck to run them over, you will not make it past the third zombie before your truck comes to a complete halt since the front end is completely bashed in. Humans, abeit dead ones, are not as frail as some would think, ever seen what happens when someone hits a deer? That is what would happen to you. If you DID want to run zombies over, GET A TANK! Full throttle, roll em out and plow your way down the street, a tank is about the only thing that would help you.
Body armor, key, at least keep your chest and head protected.
Here is one thing that no one has mentioned anywhere: What about birds, bats, and other flying animals and insects? Would they not be suseptible to the disease? If so, forget living, just dig a hole, shoot yourself and be done with it!
Any AIR breakout that did not kill people outright would remain in the system, thus PRAY it is an experiment gone wrong, one zombie only, non-airborn, zombie bites human, 2 zombies, 2 bite 2, 4 zombies and so on. Then pray the base is deep underground and is never re-opened...

no-one knows much of the disease, though from what ive read, its something only humans can contract - it kills all other things outright, and tests have shown that a mosquito will choose living flesh over diseased 100% of the time. (zombie survival guide- max brooks)


[edit on 3-11-2007 by plmodel]

I had 2 ideas for zombie proof bases.

The first one is a stretchg of farm land with houses with a circular ditch encompassing it. The ditch should be about 1m wide so it is long enough to jump, zombies haven't got the brains or muscular co-ordination to jump and so will just walk into the ditch. It should be about 5 metres deep and filled up to about 2 or 3 metres with an acid liquid so as to speed up the errosion process.

My other idea was an underground base that grows vegetables and maybe herds animals if any survived. The entrance should be above ground with a large sign on it saying 'SAFETY ZONE' or something similiar. The door will open automatically and then close quickly. A timer for thirty seconds will start in clear view of whoever enters that tells them that whoever is in the room will be incinerated when the timer finishes. It should also tell them a 4 or 5 number sequence to a keypad to open the next door to the base, since zombies can't read they will be incinerated.

[edit on 3-11-2007 by SANTARII]

reply to post by Redge777


Go look at the reply above, it speaks about the real zombies of today. Really.

I also had a new thought, I use to believe the zombie bite was an elite growing a conscious, so they become zombies like us. But there was always a problem with that, that would mean the elite think of themselves in bad terms, something they do not.

I finally think I figured it out. The zombie bite is when someone corrupt is exposed, and the rest of the elite have to cut ties with them, which is why they always have the scene were a living person(an elite) has to take out a friend. who has a bite, without mercy. This is symbolic to what happens when an elite gets outed as corrupt or a liar and is then thrown under the bus by the other elites.

It is also why the elite, (the midget named master) was punished by Auntie by lowering him into a pen of pigs (the commoners) But that is another story. (Movie Beyond Thunderdome)

So what does this tell us, all we have to do is expose corruption to solve it. Find the NWO'ers and expose there corruption and lies.