I can see that you have it all figured out, and I'd like you to help me figure it out too.
You see, I'd love to believe that the problems facing our government, such as crime, low wages, excessive government spending, inflated medical
costs, and the fact that the US government seems to be the only provider of medical insurance that can't stay in the black are all the fault of some
vampiric outside force that can be quickly done away with. I mean hey, if that's the case then we're on the verge of Utopia; all we've got to do is
fix the immigration problem, right?
One problem. I don't have any justification for believing that yet, and I really don't have the facts on my side to go after my congresswoman with
in an effort to achieve change.
So, please substantiate your claims and the broad generalizing scope in which you have made them, so that I can defend this point with more than "I
don't wanna hear _____". Do that convincingly and I swear on pain of death that I will hound my congresswoman until I either get arrested or get her
to sit down and hear your point.
Until these claims are substantiated however, I've really got no choice but to go on the data
that I do have.
For your benefit, I have taken my data from several sources which fiercely oppose illegal immigration and NONE from any source overtly appearing to be
As to the "hard-working" claim, CIS notes: "The proportion of immigrant-headed households using at least one major welfare program is 24.5
3 out of 4 illegal immigrant FAMILIES are not mooching as you generalized (keep in mind that we're talking families of more than one individual,
because while every individual in the family may be helped, the amount of aid rendered does not go up 100% for every additional person in the
Then you also must consider that estimates of illegal immigration range from 12 to 30 million versus 300 million Americans. 30 million people at 25%
participation would be 7.5 million illegals on welfare. 300 million at a rate of 16% is 48 million legals on welfare. The ratio of legals to illegals
on welfare is more greater than 6 to 1. 85% of our welfare problem has nothing to do with illegals. (incidentally, that's making the assumption that
it is infact a problem- I'm sure progressives might have a bone to pick with even that).
Now if you read that article, you will probably see it quoted that 17% of the Federal prison population is illegal. That seems very unlikely
considering that almost exactly 17% of federal prisoners, according to the Bureau of Prisons
, even have
Mexican citizenship, and only 27.9% have foreign citizenship at all. It is extremely suspicious that Newsmax cited the number of illegals in federal
prisons being so close to the number of Mexican nationals in federal prisons; Newmax apparently does not know that you retain your foreign citizenship
when you enter the US legally.
In fact, the very same Newsmax article concedes that the DOJ estimates that there are 270,000 illegals incarcerated in the US (incidentally, you can
tell that we're not just talking federal now because that's larger than the federal prison population). There are over 2.2 million people
incarcerated in the United States, making illegals 10% at best.
So we're looking about 10% of all incarcerations (note, that is not 10% of all crimes. The number of violent crimes committed in any 2 years of the
past decade is greater than the number of people incarcerated in any given 1 year. The number of felonies reported in a given YEAR is more than 10
times the prison population, and only 15% of the federal prison population is serving less than 3 years.
Thus we see that to attempt to project a drop in crime based on illegal immigrant incarceration is a risky proposition in that it assumes that a
relatively small sample of criminals is representative fo the total criminal population (not necessarily a safe assumption, especially in the age of
So far the data at hand demonstrates that illegal immigration is not the key to our crime problem and not the reason that welfare programs exist.
I'm not a fan of illegal immigration, but let's get real. The primary problem with illegal immigration is that the ability of employers to exploit
them depresses wages, and there is more than one logical way to solve that problem. Yes, we could just shut down the border, or we could give these
people documents so that their employers lacked that extra leverage over them. Just a thought.
America's problems are REAL problems that demand REAL answers. "Blame the new guy" is not an answer.
There are fundamental economic problems facing us both in terms of total wealth and distribution of wealth and the answer, if there is one to be had,
is not going to be simple.
There is something wrong either with our society or our laws, because we are incarcerating more people than anyone else in the world with as many
prisoners as anyone else plus 1/3. It's going to take more than immigration reform to fix that. It might sound strange, but there actually isn't
enough crime in Juarez or TJ for spill-over to be a plausible explanation!
And that leech on your wallet? It's not Mexican. Our politicians have lost it. The Democrats are the closest thing to a party of fiscal
responsibility we have right now (excepting for the moment the smaller parties who we inexplicably trust less than the ones we already know to be
So, care to shore up your claim?
Edit to add: I cannot believe I said "more greater" lol. No I'm not an illegal immigrant, I just meant to delete "more" and use "greater
instead" but didn't backspace apparently. Everyone point and laugh.
[edit on 29-11-2006 by The Vagabond]