Is ATS and UFOlogy a playground for Government mind control researchers?

The Condon report has been hotly disputed through the years. There is some indication that it was formed with an understood agenda. It's well known that the Air Force was always biased in it's investigation of UFOs.

"In January 1953, a group of scientists was called by the Air Force to review the evidence and make recommendations. This was five months after unidentified objects had buzzed areas off-limit to air vehicles in the Washington, D.C., region. According to Colonel Tacker's book the recommendations were: (1) immediate steps to be taken to strip UFOs of the aura of mystery they had unfortunately acquired; (2) the public be reassured of the total lack of evidence of inimical forces behind the phenomena; and (3) Air Force investigative personnel be trained to recognize and reject false indications quickley and effectively. (A fourth recommendation that UFOs should be publicly debunked by the Air Force was classified until June 1966)"
Coral Lorenzen
Flying Saucers
1966
P 210

This lead to AFR 200-2.
This pretty much guaranteed the Air Force would explain away UFOs. In paragraph 3c one could take that to mean all UFOs could be readily explained as identifiable objects.

Shawnna-
Your diagram reminded me of Aime Michel and his book Flying Saucers and the Straight-Line Mystery. Ever heard of orthoteny?

Good post Cheepnis. I feel agreement with I'll call the Condon deception and have attached the following link from Gen N. Twining, re AFR 200-2, ie:
www.cufon.org...

Dallas

Originally posted by cheepnis
Shawnna-
Your diagram reminded me of Aime Michel and his book Flying Saucers and the Straight-Line Mystery. Ever heard of orthoteny?

LOL - that is not my diagram.

If you go to this website and click on "show social network diagram for this name" - that is the diagram that is illustrated (if you don't have java - click the "gif diagram" up top.)



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From my own personal bubble of reality I see the underlining agenda to be simply exopolitical. Now is the time to make a smooth transition from a human government body to the alien "federation" or whatever it's called.

This transition will be made easiest with a One World Government. The transition must begin with people that have dedicated their lives to these studies. Those people are then set up with people from the inside.

Information is handled very carefully. Some information is true and some isn't. And really it doesn't matter all too much if the information is false because it's always based on some level of truth. The whole plan needs to still be kept in the plausibly deniable category for those getting the information third hand.

That's the basic of it. All the pieces fit. Most people are stuck with being unable to believe in aliens. Personally, I don't like belief/disbelief. I prefer possibility and probability. Historical evidence is what has pushed the probability over the 50% mark for me.

Edit: spelling

[edit on 12/2/2006 by Arm Of Geddon]

Originally posted by Arm Of Geddon
Personally, I don't like belief/disbelief. I prefer possibility and probability. Historical evidence is what has pushed the probability over the 50% mark for me.

Edit: spelling

[edit on 12/2/2006 by Arm Of Geddon]

I agree with not liking the belief/disbelief approach.

But I am very curious about the reference to "historical evidence" - can you help me understand what you mean by "historical evidence"?

Always,
Shawnna

Sorry Shawnna guess I should have said the diagram.
My point was it reminded me of Michels linear thinking and the ensuing connections.

I'm off to the book seller.

I have been groovin' this thread a couple of days now. What a collection of minds!

1947 has always been a nexus in time when key decisions were made that influenced the destiny of our world. Among those many decisions was the lack of ambition by the U.S. to create what is called today a "one world government". This left a vacuum of power to be filled by the upper classes. As the new stewards of the science and technology as well as the voodoo inheirited from the former Axis powers, their reigns of control were spread through the market economy. Meanwhile our government got to the task of successfully annexing the principle of adulthood which emerged in the 70s to ensure a widespread separation between these classes. Meanwhile "off world" (a buzzphrase utilized by the elite) projects commenced in the 50s. A cloak of deception was created to hide these projects, what I call the story framework.

Enter the UFO and all the connotations associated with it. Aliens, secret projects, and a host of real phenomena like free energy and crop circles, all lumped together into the "group think" tank. The truth is far more penetrating than the story framework, and is as much sought after as well a feared by the elite upper classes. Their position is a precarious one, for if and when they are found out there stands nothing between them and oblivion. For the truth is, we are not in control of our ultimate destiny, nor can ever be, or our dreams, and there is no one at the helm. To pull the curtain aside is to reveal the real Wizard of Oz, a little man at the controls of bells, lights, and whistles that serve to produce the show. And we all know that the show must go on.

Originally posted by Saviour Of The Real
I thought I saw something here but I can't find it now that said Dr. Christopher "Kit" Green is now a consultant or something to ATS. Is that correct?

If so, isn't this just a little creepy? Check this out:

The Open Mind: News from the weird desk........
the-open-mind.blogspot.com...

( quoting from press.arrivenet.com... )

Homeland Security, Defense and Human Effects Experts Appointed to Harrington Advisory Board

Distribution Source : Market Wire

Date : Tuesday, March 22, 2005

SANTA CLARA, CA -- (Market Wire - Mar 22, 2005) -- MDM Group, Inc. (OTC: MDDM) advises that MDM Group subsidiary, Harrington Group Limited (HGR.AX) earlier today advised the Australian Stock Exchange of the appointment of an additional three world-renowned homeland security experts as founding members of the Harrington Group Advisory Board.

Joining Colonel John Alexander, a global authority on non-lethal weapons and defense, will be Dr. Christopher Green, a forensic medicine and electrophysiology specialist, Dr. Edward Stephen, a specialist in pharmacology and bioterrorism defense, and Dr. Allen Bain, a leading pharmacologist focused on specialised drug development including new treatments for disorders of electrically active tissue.

The combined expertise of the Advisory Board will provide Harrington with outstanding guidance in strategic product development and commercialisation, and grow the Company's profile in the law enforcement, defense and homeland security sectors.

Harrington Group CEO Marshall Couper said: "All four Advisory Board members have extensive knowledge of Harrington's ShockRounds(TM) electric ammunition technology, as well as outstanding expertise in less-than-lethal weapons, Homeland Security issues and human effects.

"Harrington is focused on accelerating its product development, formalising strategic and commercial relationships and securing the expertise of leaders in the field. The formation of a world class Advisory Board is an important step forward in this strategy."

Joining Colonel Alexander are:

Christopher C. Green, MD, PhD, FAAFS

Dr. Green is in the practice of forensic medicine (American Academy of Forensic Sciences) and neuroimaging (Detroit Medical Center/Harper University Hospital/Wayne School of Medicine). His work clinically relates to his expertise as a neurophysiologist with a specialty in electrophysiology. A special research interest involves the way cognition in "making decisions under stress" are modulated by brain systems and neuromuscular control. He is both a faculty member at the Medical School and Fellow in Diagnostic Radiology, and Executive Director for Emergent Technologies.

Dr. Green serves on numerous Department of Defense, Intelligence and National Academy of Sciences Commissions. He Chairs the Science Board for the Undersecretary of the Army for Operations Research and has served as Chair of the Board on Army Science and Technology. He holds the National Intelligence Medal for investigations in forensic intelligence and served as an Officer and continues as a consultant with the Central Intelligence Agency.

There's even more stuff about Green at the first link above.

So now ATS has brought us the Serpo hoax, the dynamic duo sleeper and johnlear, and now Kit Green's on board who's supposedly connected to Doty and Lear? Does anybody see a pattern here?

Does he know what their key is? I call it Fractnomics of mind.

Originally posted by Sonata I call it Fractnomics of mind.

You have to provide a definition because the word does not exist. And you should provide an explanation how it fits into the topic of the thread. My post was highly condensed, so it may not make a lot of sense, but I do believe it touches on the foundation of the topic.

And you spelled Rosicrucian wrong

Originally posted by Shawnna
But I am very curious about the reference to "historical evidence" - can you help me understand what you mean by "historical evidence"?

Sure.

Paintings. Stories. Hieroglyphics. Myths and legends. Religious texts. Artifacts.

Cultures popping up out of nowhere and disappearing just as mysteriously.

Stone circles, pyramids, and monuments scattered across the globe and their mathematical consistencies with astronomy and ley lines.


Edit:

Most people are stuck with being unable to believe in aliens.

I did it again. Used the word believe. It's hard not to use such a memefied word.

I'll try this. "Most people are stuck with not seeing enough evidence for the possibility of aliens."


Edit II: This isn't even what I'm trying to say. I like talking with you guys. Makes me be much less careless with my choice of words.

Try again. "Most people are stuck with not seeing enough evidence to add enough weight to the probability of alien influence in human affairs."

Historical evidence is what has pushed the probability over the 50% mark for me.

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Originally posted by magnito_student
I have talked a little about this in the past...My little run in with the Secret Service back in 2003 at my work place. The agent wanted me to sign 2 forms and me being the frightened stupid rabbit i was,,I signed it. Reason:2 months prior I got a little over expressive about El Honcho in DC

1st Form: Consent to search my premises for weapons make sure I wasnt a real threat..that was understandable.
2nd Form: Was a release of my medical records: Why would they want my medical records?

My first guess would be to see if you have a history of mental illness. The good news here I guess is they at least asked for your permission which I suspect they wouldn’t have done if they thought you were a real threat.

Theres alot of weird sh*t that happens day to day with me....the weird numbers I see all the time....way beyond reptitive coincidences...seeing shadows dart by my peripheal vision...hearing sounds like someone rustling stuff in the living room etc

I feel like a bastard Child of MK Ultra..I really do

Yikes!

Originally posted by cheepnis
Also you might try a search on the terms 'gang stalking' 'electronic harassment' and the like. This sort of thing is becoming quite common.

So it would appear. I stumbled upon this guy’s web site a while back and I actually was intrigued enough to read the whole thing. The more I read though the more I got the impression he wasn’t telling the truth and it started to read like a desperate attempt to avoid taking responsibility for his own actions. If you get a chance I would love to hear what you guys think.

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Theres alot of weird sh*t that happens day to day with me....the weird numbers I see all the time....way beyond reptitive coincidences...seeing shadows dart by my peripheal vision...hearing sounds like someone rustling stuff in the living room etc

I feel like a bastard Child of MK Ultra..I really do
Yikes!

Yes that is very common.

When someone is living a boring life with nothing new on the horizon and all seems drab and dull, and then they fall in love with someone and suddenly all of life seems different and more alive. Their senses become more awake and they notice the beauty, vibrancy and sublime goodness of life and the things around them.

However when the opposite happens, and people believe their lives are in deadly danger, their senses become highly alive in order to detect any hint of danger and they start seeing lots of things they had never noticed before. Suddenly the cop standing on the corner has a suspicious look in his eye so he must be working for "Them". Suddenly every possible hint of danger is magnified and becomes part of a huge philosophy that "the spies are everywhere and out to get me etc".

Most startling is that when people feel they are in danger their guardian angels often intervene to lift them out of the earth plane and explain to them that earth is just a virtual reality stage show so don't get too upset about what's happening down there etc. The guardians will try to explain how the earth is a controlled phenomenon being controlled by a governing force from above in the astral planes. Then the frightened humans will take it all the wrong way and imagine their astral experiences with their guardians were actually government abductions and mind manipulation, and they sink deeper into the belief that the government is controlling everything and wants to kill them etc.

I've spent endless hours listening to mcultra wannabees explaining how their ordinary interactions with the astral worlds were actually government abductions and mind control tortures etc. If they have a dream they think it was a government agent giving it to them.

Basically the ufo/alien community and the government mind control community are misinterpreting the same phenomenon which Adam And Eve were painting on their cave walls. Some think it's aliens from another planet trying to examine and manipulate them, and some think it's the government trying to do it. They're both wrong. It's just the gods in the astral planes controlling everything as they have always done.

When whitley strieber was writing a book about U.S - Soviet relationships he became extremely paranoid and feared for his life. He bought a gun and a security system, and then one night a little astral man walked in with a bulletproof jacket on. Then he was flown up into the air to meet various beings who tried to explain that the earth is all a stageshow for the astral beings who control it.

So it's not the government who is controlling lives from the subtle realms it is the astral beings who have always done so. And don't forget that our material bodies are 99.99% pure energy anyway, so we ain't more real than the astral beings.

Sorry to go off topic.

Originally posted by probedbygrays It's just the gods in the astral planes controlling everything as they have always done.

Well, erm, yes, probedbygreys, but my point is we are our own worst enemy. I was purposely avoiding bringing in the Nonts and Whatnonts into the issue.

OK time for a “big” post. First of all I would like to thank everyone for his or her contributions to this thread. Some tasty mind food for sure.

Originally posted by ShawnnaI do believe this is explained quite clearly in the three-part article written by Caryn Anscomb and published at starstreamresearch.com I posted previously.

Thank you Shawnna for encouraging me to read this. I finally got around to it and I was pleasantly surprised to see how closely it parallels my own research and findings. Not sure about the paranormal stuff but I would like to point out however that I disagree the military had anything to do with creating this “monster” in 1947. To believe that one would have to rule out incompetence with regards to Maj. Jesse Marcel’s and/or Press Officer Lt. Walter Haut’s actions and/or sensationalism/misinterpretation by the press. Certainly Marcel’s false claims about his military career and accomplishments in later years puts his credibility in serious doubt. As Caryn pointed out it didn’t become a monster until Stanton Friedman and the National Inquirer “resurrected” the forgotten “story” in 1978. The question now in my mind is did this represent a first “proof of concept” and was/is SF’s involvement more than just profit motivated?

Originally posted by Mbkennel
I don't get it.

So, we have these experts who are in the field of 'less than lethal' technology.

And what does that have to do with "UFO disinformation"? Nothing as far as I can tell.

The point is the “Aviary” appears to be made up of current/former government employees with ties to the Intelligence community who have an “interest” in the field of UFOlogy. If anyone could help bring about “disclosure” I would think it would be these guys yet their “interest” appears confined to behind the scenes interaction with the dark underbelly of UFOlogy where “UFO disinformation” is born and raised. If these guys know there’s nothing to disclose then why are they not overtly involved in exposing the hoaxers and leaving it up to courageous folks like Shawnna to do it?

from an Email received by Springer from Dr. Christopher "Kit" Green:I have never, in any way...manner...shape...or form been involved in "Mind Control" research, nor do I know anyone, personally, who has been...

I believe a belated thanks is in order to Dr. Green for clearing up this aspect of the rumors. Much appreciated and thank you Springer for making it happen! If you’re reading this Dr. Green I have no reason to doubt your words and I would like to personally thank for your contributions to science and service to this great nation. I would like to point out however that in the context of the topic of this thread that’s not the type of “mind control” I was thinking of. I see “disinformation” as a particularly insidious and effective form of “mind control” wouldn’t you agree?

Originally posted by Springer"Guilt by Association" is a slippery slope and one that I think has been resolved in this case.

Indeed it is but the way I see it, if you’re not part of the solution then you could be part of the problem. Dr. Green IS involved with the field of UFOlogy. The question is to what end? Now if you Springer are truly interested in “moving ATS to the next level” as you said in this post…

Originally posted by Springer
Obviously Kit is a busy man and doesn't have much free time, his participation will be to the greatest extent, in the investigation, verification, and presentation of studies that are created to look into the reality of the many phenomena discussed here at AboveTopSecret.com.

I would again like to encourage you to ask Dr. Green if he would be willing to share with us why HE is interested/involved in the field of UFOlogy and what his overall opinion of the “reality” is.

Saviour- It's true that there are many accounts out there by individuals who appear to be nothing but paranoid delusional types but the stalking and harassment are real in some cases(mine being one).

Btw the convening of scientists Coral Lorenzen mentioned was the Robertson Panel which was initiated by the CIA and led to the formation of the AISS.

"New regulations, issued by the Air Defense Command on January 3, 1953, created the 4602d Air Intelligence Service Squadron(AISS). Other new regulations, including Air Force Regulation 200-2, dated August 1953, tasked the 4602d with the investigation of UFOs. All UFO reports would pass through the 4602d AISS prior to transmission to ATIC."

Kevin Randle
Conspiracy of Silence
1997
P 128

And if you read the Howard Blum book take note of his description of the formation of the UFO Working Group and the involvement of The Order of The Dolphin.
Also in Randles book he mentions William Moores admission to being a disinfo agent.

"At the 1989 MUFON Symposium held in Las Vegas, Nevada, researcher William L. Moore said tha,t as an unpaid agent of the government, he had spread disinformation. In the April 1991 issue of Fate, it was reported that Moore, at a meeting held on April 1, 1990, in Hollywood, said the disclosures he was about to make were a combination of true information and disinformation."

Kevin Randle
Conspiracy of Silence
1997
P 248

Moore claimed the disinfo involved animal mutilations and underground alien bases.

The field of UFOs is indeed alive with many and myriad personalities and the opportunity for deception is there. It's up to the serious to weed through the outlandish and mundane and deduce a clear course of action. UFOs are a phenomena that attracts the serious and the crazy and should be kept at arms length with a mind to the reality of our not being the sole proprietors of this universe.
After all it may seem impossible now but.................

I second that!



I would love to hear Dr. Green - in his own words - share why he has an interest in this - what is driving his involvement over the last few decades.

Always,
Shawnna

I'd believe it. With the sheer amount of visitors to this website, it would be a shortcoming for the government not to take advantage of the manipulation of information and minds for their purposes.

Originally posted by Saviour of the RealThank you Shawnna for encouraging me to read this. I finally got around to it and I was pleasantly surprised to see how closely it parallels my own research and findings. Not sure about the paranormal stuff but I would like to point out however that I disagree the military had anything to do with creating this “monster” in 1947. To believe that one would have to rule out incompetence with regards to Maj. Jesse Marcel’s and/or Press Officer Lt. Walter Haut’s actions and/or sensationalism/misinterpretation by the press. Certainly Marcel’s false claims about his military career and accomplishments in later years puts his credibility in serious doubt. As Caryn pointed out it didn’t become a monster until Stanton Friedman and the National Inquirer “resurrected” the forgotten “story” in 1978. The question now in my mind is did this represent a first “proof of concept” and was/is SF’s involvement more than just profit motivated?

It have always been puzzled by the 30+ year gap in interest.

Do you - or anyone else - have any ideas about this? My sense is we need to understand what specifically was involved in "resurrecting" the forgotten "story".




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Originally posted by Shawnna

It have always been puzzled by the 30+ year gap in interest.

Do you - or anyone else - have any ideas about this? My sense is we need to understand what specifically was involved in "resurrecting" the forgotten "story".

The event wasn't forgotten over those 30 years.

By 1950 Frank Scully had written 'Behind the Flying Saucers' , that while not mentioning Roswell , closely parallels with Roswell as Scully details "secret" recoveries of Craft and Bodies by the Military in the New Mexico Desert in the late 1940's.

Here's the Book on-line.

Behind the Flying Saucers

It's a good read and Scully talks of all the Cloak and Dagger stuff surrounding the information of these "retrievals" in New Mexico. Of course most of this all has to do with the Air Force , who would have guessed?

Needless to say Scully was blown off in public just as he predicts in his own book and considered a poor researcher who got duped by con men. No-one ever really made a connection to Scully's book and Roswell at the time.

The major point being that Scully IMO lays out the Roswell scenario of Craft and Bodies secretly recovered from New Mexico by the military within three years of the supposed event we all know today as "Roswell".

Also in 1967 Look Magazine featured Roswell in an article.

roswellproof.homestead.com...





[edit on 3-12-2006 by lost_shaman]

Originally posted by Shawnna
Then to further your understanding of the influence this area has had on UFOlogy, you need to look into "The Nine". Here's an article that is an extract based on The Stargate Conspiracy by Lynn Picknett and Clive Prince

Well the good news is there doesn’t appear to be too many channelers here on ATS.

Now.... let's look at a social network diagram for Christopher 'Kit' Green, MD.

Notice the name right next to Kit's - Uri Geller.

I don’t think you should try to draw any conclusions from that diagram. Note it only used 4 sources:

Lobster Magazine (Britain)
Covert Action Information Bulletin
Schnabel,J. Remote Viewers. 1997
Picknett,L. Prince,C. The Stargate Conspiracy. 2001

Most are from Lobster Magazine which probably had a lot of articles covering a wide range of not necessarily related topics.