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Is ATS and UFOlogy a playground for Government mind control researchers?

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posted on Dec, 11 2006 @ 06:16 PM
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Originally posted by Saviour Of The Real

en.wikipedia.org...


Though the CIA's official history suggests that the Robertson Panel's conclusions were never carried out, there is evidence that contradicts this. Perhaps the most unambiguous evidence for the Robertson Panel's covert impact on news media reporting about UFOs is a personal letter by Dr. Thornton Page, discovered in the Smithsonian archives by sociologist Michael D. Swords. The 1966 letter, addressed to former Robertson Panel Secretary Frederick C. Durant, confides that Page "helped organize the CBS TV show around the Robertson Panel conclusions." Page was no doubt referring to the CBS Reports TV broadcast of the same year, "UFOs: Friend, Foe, or Fantasy?" narrated by Walter Cronkite. (Incidentally, this program was criticized for inaccurate and misleading presentations). Page's letter indicates that the Robertson Panel was still putting a negative spin on UFO news at least 13 years after the panel met.


It should be noted however that Dr. Page was NOT a CIA agent. Evidence of an official “cover up” this isn’t.



A person doesn't have to be a CIA Agent to be on the CIA payroll.

The Church Committee Reports disclosed that at least 25 media organizations and hundreds of Journalists, and News Editors in the U.S. were on the CIA payroll.




posted on Dec, 11 2006 @ 07:45 PM
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Ok SOTR I think I see where we disconnect.
You see in my world inaction means doing nothing. Having a bit of personal experience in the action required to issue a new Reg I don't see the work involved as inaction. But then hey I'm kind of a literal fellow.
All the committees and panels were organized with a bias. The reports issued from them should not be taken at face value.
Question: what action would you have recommended?



posted on Dec, 12 2006 @ 11:09 PM
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I was going to start a new thread in another forum but this topic seems like this would be as good a place as any to post this.

I am just about finished with the last of the 3 "Sinister Forces" books and in the chapter titled "The Machineries of Joy" is the following information taken beginning from page 329:


Back in the United States, the CIA and other government organizations were taking a good, hard look at the success ratio of the SRI program. A temporary blocking of federal funds for psi research took place in the mid-1970's, due to unfavorable publicity generated by reports of the CIA's own prior MK-ULTRA mind-control programs (the psi research of SRI and the CIA seeming a little to alike for comfort, as both involved experimentation on human subjects, and many in government were opposed to this type of research anyway as smacking too much of witchcraft or just plain nonsense), but the doffers slowly opened again during the Carter administration, and this time the military was taking a more central role.

The Pentagon's remote viewing programs eventually (in early 1979) came under the authority of the Defence Intelligence Agency, or DIA. The DIA set up its own remote viewing operation at an abandoned building at Fort Meade, code-named GRILL FLAME, but their remote viewers were generally still being trained at SRI in California, by the team of Puthoff, Swann and others. Swann helped to codify the remote viewing protocols, making it an easily-defined system, and it is Swann's contribution that comes through most clearly in the Internet-published DIA manual on CRB or "Coordinate Remote Viewing".

GRILL FLAME was under the authority of one Jack Vorona, a nuclear physicist who was a DIA officer, and who controlled other "alternative" projects, such as one that was designed to study mind-control using microwave technology. This technique was thought to be a focus of Soviet research at the time, but there has also been a lot of research in the US on not only the use of microwaves but also low-frequency radio waves, and on all sorts of electronic and mechanical approaches to mind control.

These days, the internet is full of information (much of it suspect) on this type of technology, but a strange book published in 1998 and authored by Richard Sauder includes over one hundred pages of US patent information for a variety of electronic devices for mind-control applications, including US Patent 3,951,134 [book has typo - this is the right number]: Apparatus and Method for Remotely Monitoring and Altering Brain Waves and US Patent 5,213,562: Method of Inducing Mental, Emotional and Physical States of Consciousness, Including Specific Mental Activity, In Human Beings


I have uploaded both documents for your reading pleasure.

Method of Inducing Mental, Emotional and Physical States of Consciousness, Including Specific Mental Activity, In Human Beings

Apparatus and Method for remotely Monitoring and Altering Brain Waves

Always,
Shawnna



posted on Dec, 13 2006 @ 12:45 AM
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Originally posted by Arm Of Geddon
The umbrella agenda dictates that the public be made aware of what's really going on.

Exactly what do you think is "really going on”?


The agenda still is and will remain one of control. In order for the next level to be reached without the dam bursting open too soon, plausible deniability is to be maintained in all cases of information disbursal. Thus the need for certain ratios of disinformation.

Assuming you believe Aliens are in our midst and "they" know it this makes no sense to me. Disinformation is sold using “information” that reinforces the belief in the conspiracy. The end result of this “strategy” would be the conspirators subverting themselves. And as far as the damn bursting too soon goes, it hasn’t even sprung so much as a leak in the last 60 years so what me worry?


To search for who before understanding why is to put the cart before the horse.

Either way it’s irrelevant without the “what”...



posted on Dec, 13 2006 @ 12:55 AM
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Originally posted by Matyas
AND it shows that they don't pose a significant threat.

At least we don't have to worry about THAT



I think it is the rich, but more likely a private institution or network of for profit organizations, perhaps even on the corporate level, not agencies unless it came to funding...

"Could it be..... SATAN??"
- Church Lady (SNL)




posted on Dec, 13 2006 @ 01:12 AM
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Originally posted by lost_shaman
The Church Committee Reports disclosed that at least 25 media organizations and hundreds of Journalists, and News Editors in the U.S. were on the CIA payroll.

Well then they must not be paying them enough because they're not doing a very good job... Aliens & UFOs are in heavy rotation on the Discovery Channel.



posted on Dec, 13 2006 @ 01:17 AM
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Originally posted by Saviour Of The Real

Originally posted by Arm Of Geddon
The umbrella agenda dictates that the public be made aware of what's really going on.

Exactly what do you think is "really going on”?

Being exact would require too much time. Simply put it's a matter of control at a higher level than our current governments.


Assuming you believe Aliens are in our midst and "they" know it this makes no sense to me. Disinformation is sold using “information” that reinforces the belief in the conspiracy. The end result of this “strategy” would be the conspirators subverting themselves. And as far as the damn bursting too soon goes, it hasn’t even sprung so much as a leak in the last 60 years so what me worry?

There is no requirement to believe. I just take a page from the military and prepare for all contingencies based on the information provided.

The end result is to have the information out there. The strategy is to make sure it gets out without doing damage to the current power structure.

The information is being released in a steady flow that increases slowly over time.



To search for who before understanding why is to put the cart before the horse.

Either way it’s irrelevant without the “what”...

The "what" of what exactly?



posted on Dec, 13 2006 @ 01:25 AM
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Originally posted by cheepnis
Question: what action would you have recommended?

I'm sorry, what was the problem?


Seriously I think that's an excellent question!


All of us should be asking ourselves that, much to be learned there...

First we need to agree on the scenario.



posted on Dec, 13 2006 @ 01:56 AM
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Originally posted by Arm Of Geddon
The "what" of what exactly?

Sorry about that, it was supposed to be a word play on your analogy but it got screwed up in editing. I need to fire my editor.


Redux…


Originally posted by Arm Of Geddon
The "who" is irrelevant for the most part. Finding out "who" is a byproduct of integrating the "why". To search for who before understanding why is to put the cart before the horse. Once you catch up with the horses it's easy to see who is driving the cart.


Either way it’s irrelevant without the “what”... (as in "what" is in the cart)



posted on Dec, 13 2006 @ 04:39 AM
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Originally posted by lost_shaman

The Church Committee Reports disclosed that at least 25 media organizations and hundreds of Journalists, and News Editors in the U.S. were on the CIA payroll.



Originally posted by Saviour Of The Real

Well then they must not be paying them enough because they're not doing a very good job... Aliens & UFOs are in heavy rotation on the Discovery Channel.



If you want to go there we could say that ABC's "Peter Jennings Reporting: UFOs — Seeing Is Believing" was a smashing success.


ABC being one of the 25 media organizations referred to above.



posted on Dec, 13 2006 @ 05:29 AM
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Originally posted by Saviour Of The Real
(as in "what" is in the cart)


I kind of figured that. The problem is that I thought "what was in the cart" was already known so I thought maybe you were speaking about something else. So then yea, I got the word play and it was good.

The "what" is the information, the knowledge. At a more metaphorical level but yet at the same time literal, it's freedom or lack there of. The key to the gate. The completed puzzle. The answers many seem to be seeking.

Even here, in these hallowed halls of conspiracy, there are many safeguards in place. Traps for the unwary. Intellectual traps. At one angle, they could be called strategies of war. Many will find their minds become prisoners of war without even realizing it.

The old belief/disbelief paradigm is one such trap. An age old strategy of divide and conquer at an intellectual level. I can believe this but not that, or that but not this. That is too far out there so I will reject that bit of information and any information that may reach beyond the belief threshold that I have set up. Each has their own belief threshold and are quite comfortable with it. For they have peers. Others that share that level of acceptance of data. And would it not be the death of them for someone to ridicule them for considering a piece of data beyond a certain threshold?

But then we wonder why we can't complete the puzzle. Why doesn't it all fit within our accepted parameters?

There is a way to beat the traps and claim the key. Treat it like a game or a hobby. Obviously, there is interest and time available or ATS would be a lonely place indeed. So why make the quest into some beast? Why make it into some war between this group that believes this and another that can't possible believe such bullocks? Treat it as a game. Then when you're done collecting and organizing your clues you can retire safely to your own confort zone unfazed by the hunt.

Use the new paradigm of "possibility and probability" for your new game. Then all bits of information are stored. So when something is found that may connect it's not immediately rejected. All is allowed it's space and assigned it's probability. And if one day the puzzle starts to make sense but is far outside the confort zone then no harm. It was all just a game. The mortgage is still due. The electricity still needs to be payed. The TV still needs to be watched. And all is right with the world. The only difference being that you may just have the key to the kingdom.



posted on Dec, 14 2006 @ 09:05 AM
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There is a way to beat the traps and claim the key. Treat it like a game or a hobby. Obviously, there is interest and time available or ATS would be a lonely place indeed. So why make the quest into some beast? Why make it into some war between this group that believes this and another that can't possible believe such bullocks? Treat it as a game. Then when you're done collecting and organizing your clues you can retire safely to your own confort zone unfazed by the hunt.


I'm at the point of making conspiracy theory jokes just to sum up
the situation in many cases.

I suppose when an author mentions a half dozen conspiracies as he
tells a tail he spreads the seeds for a dozen other authors to expand
and continue as they digress from the original tails resolve.

A string or series of unheard of events can only land at doubts and
be dismissed as bunk. When its a ufo mechanism the governments
never explained to its subjects then you have room for conspiracy.
People look to governments for direction, which way do I go, what
does the government want me to do, to know ... people are lost
without government direction.

Sad but true.

Ok here it is:
Why do I see a purple haze in your photo while others see a cloud
and the photographer saw nothing.



posted on Dec, 14 2006 @ 08:46 PM
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I think the scenario is quite clear.
Make a recommendation based on the conclusions of the Robertson Panel and within in the predetermined bias of the study.
And hey you know what? Throw in the GAO report and the Condon study and any other government authorized panel/committee/study.
What course of action would be the next logical step considering all the above factors as well as the predetermined bias?
Can you say disinfo?



posted on Dec, 15 2006 @ 11:38 AM
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Originally posted by Arm Of Geddon

Use the new paradigm of "possibility and probability" for your new game. Then all bits of information are stored. So when something is found that may connect it's not immediately rejected. All is allowed it's space and assigned it's probability. And if one day the puzzle starts to make sense but is far outside the confort zone then no harm. It was all just a game. The mortgage is still due. The electricity still needs to be payed. The TV still needs to be watched. And all is right with the world. The only difference being that you may just have the key to the kingdom.


Beautifully written...


That really is the only way to avoid falling into the disturbing paraphrenia that seems to fall upon far too many people who wade a little too deeply into this field... It certainly is disturbing, how essentially "normal people" can become so wrapped up and absorbed with something as to become ill over time.

Then again...that's what addiction is, isn't it? The all-encompassing obsession with that something...alcohol, tobacco, food, etc... In that way, you are right, the only real method to avoid being consumed by a certain "passion" is to make sure that the mind is occupied with the important aspects of daily life... and each time we sit down and open up this "novel"...this beast of a subject with all of its intertwined, jumbled up and complex passages....our mind is completely refreshed and ready for the task at hand - based on the paradigm of "possibility and probability".

Cheers,
-Ry



posted on Dec, 17 2006 @ 10:55 AM
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Originally posted by Shawnna
I was going to start a new thread in another forum but this topic seems like this would be as good a place as any to post this.

I am just about finished with the last of the 3 "Sinister Forces" books and in the chapter titled "The Machineries of Joy" is the following information taken beginning from page 329:

Hi Shawnna,

Thanks for that little teaser. I understand from reading Norman Mailers review that Peter Levenda delves into the obfuscations surrounding UFOs as well. When youre done Id love to hear your thoughts on any connections he comes up with.

Conversely, Ive always had a sneaking suspicion that mainstream organized religions may have a hand in it as well beyond on a strictly individual basis.

Regardless, clearly its a subject ripe for the picking on several fronts.



posted on Dec, 17 2006 @ 10:59 AM
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Originally posted by cheepnis
Can you say disinfo?

If so then I think they need to start singing a different tune becuase the problem isn't going away.



posted on Dec, 17 2006 @ 07:33 PM
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It's quite easy to dismiss as an ongoing problem.
It's a whole nother thing to do something about it.



posted on Dec, 21 2006 @ 04:53 AM
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Originally posted by rdube02
Beautifully written...



Thank you, rdube02. To me it seems to be a matter of logic. I can't prove there is mind control, human experimentation, new world orders, aliens, or any other conspiracy. That is just honesty with self. There is evidence for different conspiracies. Some more than others but no definitive proof.

I have no inherent need to fit in with any particular group or belief system. Such needs are the realm of the false self, the ego. It requires validation from others to maintain itself. The same feel good chemical that is released when people of a certain belief validate each other is the same chemical that is released when people of a certain disbelief validate each other. This can be seen time and time again on this forum. It becomes an addiction. But to the mentally lazy it is confirmation that they are correct in whatever belief/disbelief they adhere to.

To believe something cuts the mind off. For if some information is found that counters that belief then it must be discarded immediately. To disbelieve something does the same. Any information to the contrary has to be discarded. In both cases, with the discarding comes the same chemical release as validation from others does. Self validation isn't quite as potent as validation from others though. Mental masturbation isn't quite as satisfying as doing it with another.

In both belief and disbelief systems, be they religious or otherwise, there is truth and lies. If someone believes the system then they believe both the truth and the lies. If someone disbelieves then they will be discarding some truth and its place will be filled in with a lie. The lie is a mind virus. Or more appropriate, it's a cancer cell. Any further information that connects to the lie will contain some level of the lie. And the cancer grows. The mind becomes diseased and begins to break down.

The breakdown doesn't necessarily become so overt as to take the form of mental illnesses although it is doing that more and more as society gets more and more complex. But it doesn't need to be overt to render the tool of the mind weaker and weaker as more information is processed and linked to the varying cancer centers.

There is a way to get rid of the mind disease. I can't say it's easy because it takes constant effort. But I can say it does get easier and easier as sustained effort over time is applied. The disease is caused by two basic things. Dishonesty with self and mental laziness. To cure it one only needs to reverse these two things.

Once the mind is disease free and kept that way, no form of mind control, no matter how deep, can ever take root. ATS becomes a place to study psychology and to test self on staying alert and intellectually honest. Television takes on a whole new character. It also becomes a tool for study to forever sharpen the perception skills in real-time.

The sustained effort and study lifts the mental fog and turns up the contrast on the world. Propaganda and other mind control techniques are seen immediately, analyzed, compared, processed, and filed away in its appropriate place.

What this effort finally does is create a crystallized thought matrix. All new information is parsed through this CTM and the whole process becomes increasingly automatic. The ego has been starved of it's self validation chemicals and the real self is now solidified. Also, a crystallized inner peace is born that is unmovable, unshakable, untouchable, and impenetrable unless the person wishes to feign weakness in order to obtain deeper information.

[edit on 12/21/2006 by Arm Of Geddon]



posted on Dec, 21 2006 @ 08:00 AM
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Oh no they're on to us!! Run for the hills; the people will rebel against us!!

Relax kiddies.

I am currently doing business with Sleeper by helping him out with a project. He is a very nice person. You need not worry.

A lot of your worries are credible, but nothing bad will happen anytime soon. Stay true to your values. That's all I have to say here.



posted on Dec, 21 2006 @ 01:37 PM
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If you want to go there we could say that ABC's "Peter Jennings Reporting: UFOs — Seeing Is Believing" was a smashing success


Uggh...you had to bring up that piece of Journalistic (using the term loosely) garbage....
Was about as believable as his support of Oswald's "magic bullet"....



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