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Is ATS and UFOlogy a playground for Government mind control researchers?

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posted on Nov, 24 2006 @ 10:23 PM
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I thought I saw something here but I can't find it now that said Dr. Christopher "Kit" Green is now a consultant or something to ATS. Is that correct?

If so, isn't this just a little creepy? Check this out:

The Open Mind: News from the weird desk........
the-open-mind.blogspot.com...

( quoting from press.arrivenet.com... )


Homeland Security, Defense and Human Effects Experts Appointed to Harrington Advisory Board

Distribution Source : Market Wire

Date : Tuesday, March 22, 2005

SANTA CLARA, CA -- (Market Wire - Mar 22, 2005) -- MDM Group, Inc. (OTC: MDDM) advises that MDM Group subsidiary, Harrington Group Limited (HGR.AX) earlier today advised the Australian Stock Exchange of the appointment of an additional three world-renowned homeland security experts as founding members of the Harrington Group Advisory Board.

Joining Colonel John Alexander, a global authority on non-lethal weapons and defense, will be Dr. Christopher Green, a forensic medicine and electrophysiology specialist, Dr. Edward Stephen, a specialist in pharmacology and bioterrorism defense, and Dr. Allen Bain, a leading pharmacologist focused on specialised drug development including new treatments for disorders of electrically active tissue.

The combined expertise of the Advisory Board will provide Harrington with outstanding guidance in strategic product development and commercialisation, and grow the Company's profile in the law enforcement, defense and homeland security sectors.

Harrington Group CEO Marshall Couper said: "All four Advisory Board members have extensive knowledge of Harrington's ShockRounds(TM) electric ammunition technology, as well as outstanding expertise in less-than-lethal weapons, Homeland Security issues and human effects.

"Harrington is focused on accelerating its product development, formalising strategic and commercial relationships and securing the expertise of leaders in the field. The formation of a world class Advisory Board is an important step forward in this strategy."

Joining Colonel Alexander are:

Christopher C. Green, MD, PhD, FAAFS

Dr. Green is in the practice of forensic medicine (American Academy of Forensic Sciences) and neuroimaging (Detroit Medical Center/Harper University Hospital/Wayne School of Medicine). His work clinically relates to his expertise as a neurophysiologist with a specialty in electrophysiology. A special research interest involves the way cognition in "making decisions under stress" are modulated by brain systems and neuromuscular control. He is both a faculty member at the Medical School and Fellow in Diagnostic Radiology, and Executive Director for Emergent Technologies.

Dr. Green serves on numerous Department of Defense, Intelligence and National Academy of Sciences Commissions. He Chairs the Science Board for the Undersecretary of the Army for Operations Research and has served as Chair of the Board on Army Science and Technology. He holds the National Intelligence Medal for investigations in forensic intelligence and served as an Officer and continues as a consultant with the Central Intelligence Agency.


There's even more stuff about Green at the first link above.

So now ATS has brought us the Serpo hoax, the dynamic duo sleeper and johnlear, and now Kit Green's on board who's supposedly connected to Doty and Lear? Does anybody see a pattern here?




posted on Nov, 24 2006 @ 10:36 PM
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Sure, only thing is What other 'Conspiracy' forums are suspect? The NSA apparatus is mind-boggling in scope!



posted on Nov, 24 2006 @ 10:42 PM
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Originally posted by ivanterrible
Sure, only thing is What other 'Conspiracy' forums are suspect? The NSA apparatus is mind-boggling in scope!

Good question. I don't know. Isn't this the most popular one?



posted on Nov, 24 2006 @ 10:50 PM
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Originally posted by Saviour Of The Real

Originally posted by ivanterrible
Sure, only thing is What other 'Conspiracy' forums are suspect? The NSA apparatus is mind-boggling in scope!

Good question. I don't know. Isn't this the most popular one?



There are many Q's that need answered in this world, unfortunately for humanity they most likely will never get answered. Personally I really don't give a damm if this a GOVT site, As I've said the NSA apparatus is ALL ENCOMPASSING, so it's up to the individual researcher to seperate the truth and make his/ her own mind about these "CONSPIRACY MATTERS" this takes much patience and knowledge. Going to another site now.. so long.



posted on Nov, 24 2006 @ 11:38 PM
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Originally posted by Saviour Of The Real
I thought I saw something here but I can't find it now that said Dr. Christopher "Kit" Green is now a consultant or something to ATS. Is that correct?


This post answers that question.

I am glad to see you focusing this - I do believe Dr. Christopher 'Kit' Green has had a hand in quite a bit of the myths we see in UFOlogy.

Always,
Shawnna

[edit on 24-11-2006 by Shawnna]



posted on Nov, 25 2006 @ 06:21 AM
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Good work. I don't think anything 'independent' gets to stay that way for long. All religions, all political parties, all news, everything gets infiltrated. Even o'l Anderson Cooper of the news is an 'x' CIA trainee...whatever that means.

The People are a scary thing to the World Elite.. status quo is the objective here and of course controlled information that they control when they want. ... or they think they do. hahahahah gives them a job...

Anyway, good research for you. I think I'll quit this place. There isn't anything here for me at all and I'm bad at small talk.

Thanks,

Previously known as The Theremin



posted on Nov, 25 2006 @ 11:45 AM
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Saviour of the Real - I believe your thread would have had more response had you left the "ATS" part of the question out of it.

That is a sensitive issue around here and doesn't seem to facilitate discussion.



The rest of your topic - "UFOlogy a playground for Government mind control researchers" is extremely important and needs to be dissected thoroughly.

Within your first link I found another link to one of the most coherent articles I've seen yet on this topic.

Here's a snippet.


The following article which appeared in the U.K. magazine, LOBSTER,
in June 1993, is reproduced at the request of the author.
(LOBSTER magazine, which specializes in intelligence and conspiracy matters, is
published twice yearly.)



NON-LETHALITY: JOHN B. ALEXANDER, THE PENTAGON'S PENGUIN

By Armen Victorian



On April 22, 1993, both BBC1 and BBC2 showed on their main evening news bulletins a rather lengthy piece concerning America's latest development in weaponry - the non-lethal weapons concept. David Shukman, BBC Defense Correspondent interviewed (Retired) U.S. Army Colonel John B. Alexander and Janet Morris, two of the main proponents of the concept (1). The concept of non-lethal weapons is not new. Non-lethal weapons have been used by the intelligence, police and defense establishments in the past (2). Several western governments have used a variety of non-lethal weapons in a more discreet and covert manner. It seems that the U.S. government is about to take the first step towards their open use.


Snip....


JOHN ALEXANDER

The entire non-lethal weapon concept opens up a new Pandora's Box of unknown consequences. The main personality behind it is retired Colonel John B. Alexander. Born in New York in 1937, he spent part of his career as a Commander of Green Berets Special Forces in Vietnam, led Cambodian mercenaries behind enemy lines, and took part in a number of clandestine programs, including Phoenix. He currently holds the post of Director of Non-lethal Programs in the Los Alamos National Laboratories.


Snip....


BIRDS OF A FEATHER

Alexander and C.B. Jones are members of the AVIARY, a group of intelligence and Department of Defense officers and scientists with a brief to discredit any serious research in the UFO field. Each member of the Aviary bears a bird's name. Jones is FALCON, John Alexander is PENGUIN.

One of their agents; a UFO researcher known as William Moore, who was introduced to John Alexander at a party in 1987 by Scott Jones, confessed in front of an audience at a conference held by the MUTUAL UFO NETWORK (MUFON) on July 1, 1989, in Las Vegas, how he was promised inside information by the senior members of the AVIARY in return for his obedience and service to them. He participated in the propagation and dissemination of disinformation fed to him by various members of the AVIARY. He also confessed how he was instructed to target one particular individual, an electronics expert, Dr Paul Bennewitz, who had accumulated some UFO film footage and electronic signals which were taking place in 1980 over the Menzano Weapons Storage areas, at Kirtland Air Force Base, New Mexico. As a result of Moore's involvement, coupled with some surreptitious entries and psychological techniques, Bennewitz ended up in a psychiatric hospital.


Snip...


In his book, OUT THERE (38), the NEW YORK TIMES journalist Howard Blum refers to "a UFO Working Group" within the Defense Intelligence Agency. Despite DIA's repeated denials (39), the existence of this working group has been confirmed to me by more than one member of the group itself, including an independent source in the Office of Naval Intelligence. The majority of the group's members are senior members of the AVIARY: Dr Christopher Green (BLUEJAY) from the CIA (40), Harold Puthoff (OWL) ex-NSA; Dr Jack Verona (RAVEN) (DoD, one of the initiators of the DIA's Sleeping Beauty project which aimed to achieve battlefield superiority using mind-altering electromagnetic weaponry); John Alexander (PENGUIN) and Ron Pandolphi (PELICAN).

The mysterious "Col. Harold E. Phillips" who appears in Blum's OUT THERE is none other than John B. Alexander.

John Alexander's position as the Program Manager for Contingency Missions of Conventional Defense Technology, Los Alamos National Laboratories, enabled him to exploit the Department of Defense's Project RELIANCE "which encourages a search for all possible sources of existing and incipient technologies before developing new technology in-house (41)" to tap into a wide range of exotic topics, sometimes using defense contractors, e.g. McDonnel Douglas Aerospce. I have several reports, some of which were compiled before his departure to the Los Alamos National Laboratories when he was with Army Intelligence, which show Alexander's keen interest in any and every exotic subject - UFOs, ESP, psychotronics, anti-gravity devices, near death experiments, psychology warfare and non-lethal weaponry.

John Alexander utilizes the bank of information he has accumulated to try to develop psychotronic, psychological and mind weaponry. He began thinking about non-lethal weapons a decade ago in his paper "The New Mental Battlefield." He seems to want to become a "Master." If he ever succeeds in this ambition the rest of us ordinary mortals had better watch out.


Read the full article here.

Now, combine all of this information with what we know about those involved in the serpo fiasco and you're left either connecting some serious dots or wishing you had stuck with golf as a hobby.



Always,
Shawnna

[edit on 25-11-2006 by Shawnna]



posted on Nov, 25 2006 @ 12:38 PM
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Well...... that certainly put a damper on the discussion.

I did not sense him being rude or a pain in the 'arse' so am quite confused?

I thought this thread was an excellent topic for discussion.



Always,
Shawnna



posted on Nov, 25 2006 @ 12:44 PM
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Originally posted by Shawnna


Well...... that certainly put a damper on the discussion.

I did not sense him being rude or a pain in the 'arse' so am quite confused?

I thought this thread was an excellent topic for discussion.



Always,
Shawnna


The discussion can continue, why couldn't it?

His "pain in the arse" activity can be found in many threads.



posted on Nov, 25 2006 @ 12:48 PM
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Originally posted by intrepid

His "pain in the arse" activity can be found in many threads.


Perhaps by someone who is in the 'know' here - but since I have no idea who he was before he was 'Saviour of the Real', I have no clue what is going on.

Always,
Shawnna



posted on Nov, 25 2006 @ 12:57 PM
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Originally posted by Shawnna

Originally posted by intrepid

His "pain in the arse" activity can be found in many threads.


Perhaps by someone who is in the 'know' here - but since I have no idea who he was before he was 'Saviour of the Real', I have no clue what is going on.

Always,
Shawnna


Sending u2u about his behaviour.

Back to the topic.



posted on Nov, 26 2006 @ 12:02 PM
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Intrepid was kind enough to U2U me a post made by 'Saviour of the Real' as an example of why he was banned.

Frankly, I didn't see anything I haven't seen in many other posts around here from time to time so there's more to this than I have a need to know I guess.



This IS an important discussion for everyone interested in UFO's. Once you begin doing any serious research in this area, you soon realize to what level mind control research and operations play into it.



I'll have to start a new thread as it's clear that this one is now dead due to the unfortunate banning episode.

Always,
Shawnna



posted on Nov, 26 2006 @ 08:25 PM
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Shawnna-
You are more right than you'll ever know.
Back in the Paranet days and the beginnings of UFOMind we endured much worse.
This is indeed an important discussion for anyone seriously interested in the truth regards UFOs.
There are several agents of misinformation spreading their vile crud for the masses.
The real UFO truth is much simpler and apparently beyond the sophisticated thinking of the common man.



posted on Nov, 26 2006 @ 11:06 PM
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Originally posted by cheepnis
Shawnna-
You are more right than you'll ever know.
Back in the Paranet days and the beginnings of UFOMind we endured much worse.
This is indeed an important discussion for anyone seriously interested in the truth regards UFOs.
There are several agents of misinformation spreading their vile crud for the masses.
The real UFO truth is much simpler and apparently beyond the sophisticated thinking of the common man.


Hi Cheepnis - can you tell me more about what you mean when you say 'we endured much worse in the Paranet days?'

Not wanting to appear too ignorant here but it will help me in my research to learn more about what you mean by that.

I would also like to hear what you think is the "real UFO truth", if you're so inclined.

I am always interested in finding others who can help with my research.

Always,
Shawnna



posted on Nov, 27 2006 @ 08:19 PM
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Back in the day I ran one of the original Paranet BBS'. There were quite a few spirited discussions about the major cases. The Arnold sighting took a very nasty turn and the lines were drawn. Pelicanist or not?
The UFO phenomena has many tendrils that appear to lead somewhere but instead go nowhere. Be very careful the path you take.
If you're really serious about investigating the UFO phenomena then consider the things noone else has. There are answers there for those who look.



posted on Nov, 27 2006 @ 08:45 PM
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Tendrils, indeed!

Lots of this stuff appears to be wound up pretty tightly with occult beliefs and practices as well.

At this point, I'm beginning to think part of my issue is I never indulged in '___' - at least knowingly that is!





posted on Nov, 27 2006 @ 08:59 PM
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Originally posted by Shawnna[/i

This IS an important discussion for everyone interested in UFO's. Once you begin doing any serious research in this area, you soon realize to what level mind control research and operations play into it.



Shawna,

It IS obvious that much of what we're fed is "targeted information". I often wonder how many steps a. of us "they" are. It's like a chess game, it is not the next move you have to worry about but the one or two moves afterwards.

The general populous is convinced enough via the TV. For the rest of us, the "research" outlets are perhaps the best way to get to us. Control of information is the key to their success.

PS. Sorry about butchering your name. I just had to tease you, your avatar is so pretty.



posted on Nov, 27 2006 @ 09:16 PM
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Originally posted by TruthCanHurt

Originally posted by Shawnna

This IS an important discussion for everyone interested in UFO's. Once you begin doing any serious research in this area, you soon realize to what level mind control research and operations play into it.



Shawna,

It IS obvious that much of what we're fed is "targeted information". I often wonder how many steps a. of us "they" are. It's like a chess game, it is not the next move you have to worry about but the one or two moves afterwards.

The general populous is convinced enough via the TV. For the rest of us, the "research" outlets are perhaps the best way to get to us. Control of information is the key to their success.




Perhaps appealing to the lowest common denominator is enough for them? It is incredibly disheartening to me that so many require so little in order to adopt a position on this.

:shk:


PS. Sorry about butchering your name. I just had to tease you, your avatar is so pretty.





Thank you!

[edit on 27-11-2006 by Shawnna]



posted on Nov, 27 2006 @ 09:52 PM
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Originally posted by Shawnna

Perhaps appealing to the lowest common denominator is enough for them? It is incredibly disheartening to me that so many require so little in order to adopt a position on this.



I agree with the disheartening reality.

I'd also emphasize that in order to succeed in manipulating a "group" one only needs to convince, compel, or create the vocal minority of any one group or community to agree with you in order to appear to have succeeded by a majority.

It's also been shown under lab conditions that individuals will reject things they individually otherwise know to be true in order to "fit in" or "agree" with the group.

I'm no psychologist by any means so don't get me wrong here I'm no authority on this , but the gist of the "idea" here is simply by targeting the vocal minority you've effectively manipulated the "group" and thus you gain support through the "group" that you'd never be able to achieve on an individual person to person basis.



posted on Nov, 27 2006 @ 10:29 PM
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Yep - it's called Group Think - and is truly an amazing phenomenon to watch.

I see it in the corporate world all the time.

Always,
Shawnna




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