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reply posted on 20-11-2006 @ 12:58 AM by IgnoranceIsntBlisss
Originally posted by Astygia
This is a very well put-together documentary, though at times it is hard to tell where actual proof ends and speculation/theory begins, at least in regards to future plans and timelines with nanotechnology and proposed technological timelines.


Thanks. I tried my best to keep it undebatable material, but towards the end it became more of an attack on the New Ages use of their "Transformation of Consciousness" "prophecies" to condition and prepare people, whether wittingly or un-, for this "prophecy" to come true. Many see the technology itself as the "Second Coming".

I don't care a whole lot about the 2012 stuff myself. The calendar doesnt even actually end on 2012, just a major 5000 year cycle does. The 2012 new Agers typically presnt it another way. I will say that alot of the better Mayan prophecies stuff is mighty interesting and the presenters usually seem to have alot of insights and metaphors for many things, but that doesnt mean that their speculation is 'prophecy'.

The government setting their completion dates to fall into 2012 is disturbing however, and really makes you have to think again about all of those pages that present big arguments about 'the government' being behind the New Age movement itself. Or maybe it is coincidence that it just so happens they're to complete this then.

Either way, it is the most significant thing man has ever faced, and collectively man is blind to it like a bat trapped in a small room that has ultrapowered spotlights shing in from all sides and speakers emitting the same frequencies as the bat at high decibels.


alongside other bills (which have existed for decades) that give the government the right to implicitly control any and all material and intellectual property in the USA, including the media.


Hey can you please point me to those materials?? I'd love to have my hands on all that.



reply posted on 20-11-2006 @ 01:05 AM by IgnoranceIsntBlisss
Originally posted by sobolwolf
Originally posted by D4rk Kn1ght
If you add up the name 'George Bush' in Hebrew letters it comes out:

G = 3 (gimel)
e = 5 (heh)
o = 70 (ayin)
r = 200 (resh)
g = 3 (gimel)
e = 5 (heh)
B = 2 (beth)
u = 70 (ayin)
s = 300 (shin)
h = 8 (cheth)
Total = 666 (Antichrist)


Well I can across this site while checking up on DK's post, has this site been debunked??? if not scary stuff, real scary...

www.bushisantichrist.com...


If the whole antichrist thing is to seriously play out as the common consensus views it/him, but then in the timeline contexts that my video presents, then i dont think it is Bush.

He's causing too much war for starters. It'd be more in line that Bush starts major wars but the next president comes in with the promise to end the wars & bring peace. The Ai system would be coming into play around then, and it would even time the shiite hittin the fan within the 3.5 years of peace most talk about but even the Mayan 'prophecy' as well.

Also in numerology terms King Bush the 1st would have the same numbers.


reply posted on 20-11-2006 @ 01:30 AM by IgnoranceIsntBlisss
Originally posted by subz
It's probably just me but I dont like the way videos such as these are presented. I'm more of a dry, full of sourced facts and free from sensationalism documentary type person.

If these facts are true then they would do well to present them in a more formal manner. I tend to believe that what's said in this video is true. but im not 100% convinced purely because of the nature in which it is presented. The only motivation this movie stirs in me is to check the facts cited in it myself, whereas a thorough and sober documentary would motivate me to act to prevent what it portrays from occuring.
[edit on 2/10/06 by subz]


That was my first stab at a video and the decision came rather spontaneusly. i decided it was important to make it artististic as it was going to the 'theme song' that i personally mixed (not composed) actually before i officially "woke up", right before by mere coincidence, and had been using in my myspace page for over 6 months.

I also wanted there to be a sort of entertainment value for those that most of it wouldnt be news to anyways. In Sony Vegas I had an entire channel that was all sheep footage from start to finish, which incrementally got worse in nature for the sheep.

But overall it was a crash course on everything I'd been working on and researching nonstop for almost a year. The site was assembled for the proof behind it.

The moment my current video project (technology unrelated but critically important stuff for peopel to understand who it is getting thsi thing) ENDS I'll be shifting back into the technology stuff and I intend to make it more like a nomal sort of documentary that I can already envision. An hour alone needs to be spent on certain talking points in the video to really be teaching it beyond overall concept.


reply posted on 20-11-2006 @ 02:16 AM by IgnoranceIsntBlisss
Originally posted by GrOuNd_ZeRo

I didn't like the religious overtones either...Especially the bias towards Satanism, who ever said politicians were Satanic? they have weird rituals in the bohemian grove that worship so mythical demonic figures but a link with Baphomet or the Goat of Mendes is far fetched, and the DC roads making pentagrams could very well be a connection with the MASONS not Satanist...Lavey started the Satanic movement of today, Satanism was virtually non-existant before Lavey...


A great deal of politicians practice "satanic' philosophies. Philosophy, which too many "Satanists" argue that it's all "Satanism" really is. "Satanism" is actually a modern doctrine.

Occultism, or Esotericism, would be more in line with the New Age. New Age camps use all sorts of 'occultism'. Occultism often even uses the Holy Bible as a tool oddly enough. the NEU-ARK family of sites is some super advanced esotericism. Esotericism can be considered as it ties all of the religions and various mythical deities from anywher ethey can find them, into one and the same. This is the true nature of Freemasonry, and there are numerous sites out there that prove thats what Freemasonry is in it's true nature. Read Morals & Dogma or anything by Manly P Hall. Neu-ark even mentions Jahbulah. lol.

There are also many sites that prove that past members of Freemasonry are responsible for virtually all of the older versions of the "New Age" movement such as Theosophy. Also Aleister Crowley, whos radical doctrines later heavily influenced the "Satanic" doctrine of the Stanic Bible.

When you dig deep down (sometimes on the surface even) into many of the New Age sources it's Lucifer they were, the "angel of light". Better watch out if Newt Gingrich becomes president...



[edit on 20-11-2006 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss]

[edit on 20-11-2006 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss]


reply posted on 10-4-2007 @ 07:10 AM by gen.disaray
Originally posted by EvilBat
For those who want the video in avi
put this in your browser
keepvid.com...
then the link to the video
video.google.com...
then switch the menu to google
and hit download
wait a few and it should pop up the avi link and left click to download it
mind you it is 162.7 mb


why would anyone with a half a brain want to keep this overly dramatic ,
badly produced , drama queenish and shamefully made piece of (...) in
their computer , let alone in their video collection ?
i want the 65 seconds it took me to turn that thing off back !
im going to make a bold statement --- THAT SUCKED

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Edited for vulgar language

Please read ABOUT ATS: Vulgarity and The Automatic ATS Censors

www.abovetopsecret.com...

[edit on 11/4/07 by masqua]



reply posted on 10-4-2007 @ 10:08 AM by IgnoranceIsntBlisss
Gen.Disaray: You clearly need to read this:
politics.abovetopsecret.com...

PS: Please debate that if you can!!
==================================

Thanks souls

[edit on 10-4-2007 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss]


reply posted on 11-12-2007 @ 01:02 PM by specialfarce
reply to post by Melbourne_Militia



hello i am a soldier in the united states army and i just recently discovered this website. your theory is constantly resonating in my head and i have become fearful and even paranoid of my own employer. every thing that this organization does has me questioning them. for instance flu shots used as a coverup for further expermentation with stronger strains of the virus. I'm trying to find truth and foundation for my fears. you seem like a very enlightened person and i would like to keep in contact with you


reply posted on 13-10-2009 @ 03:36 AM by LadyGreenEyes
reply to post by ADVISOR



That has got to be one of the worst of that sort of video that I have ever seen. Viewed once (and don't need more), and got a lot of points from it, but not generally in agreement with what they are trying to push. I'll list these as they came:

1. They assume that most people trust the government, when the fact is, most people might, maybe, trust the ones they voted for, and almost never the other side. Are people easily lead? Sadly, too many are, but not the way they lay it out.

2. They take the position that large companies are a bad thing, when in fact, a properly-run company provides needed jobs. No, everyone doesn't get rich, but whoever said everyone should be?

3. They take the position that the government hasn't had enough control of businesses. Gee, I though we wanted less government control, not more. All this time, I must have been confused.....*insert eye roll here*

4. They use that old standard anti-religious tactic of stating all religions are controlled by governments, to control the people. Simply not true, and getting to be a rather old and moldy argument.

5. A very obvious anti-Bush and anti-Conservative bias runs through the whole piece. They try to cover this by blaming Democrats (at least for supposed inaction in failing to stop the "evil Republicans", but they never once mention the current administration. Oversight? Hardly; the bias could not be more clear.

6. The got one thing right; bias combined with ignorance can and will cause the fall of a nation. However, they failed to mention the most obvious ways this is being carried out. They even got the fear tactic part right, but failed to see the actual culprits. Disinformation at its finest.

7. The flat out deny that Islamic terrorists are a threat to freedom. Gee, the terrorists state that they are such a threat. They don't want freedom; they want all to agree with them or die. But, hey, why should facts get in the way at this point in the video?

8. They assume that FDR (a Democrat) knowing about Pearl Harbor beforehand (a fact I won't dispute) is somehow proof that Bush knew about 9/11 beforehand. They utterly fail at logical argument.

9. The people they call "post 9/11 terrorists" were labeled as such by Obama and his people, but they somehow fail to mention his name at all when discussing that issue. Another accidental omission?

10. They talk about the so-called "security/concentration camps", which no one seems to be able to prove, or get picture of, and which people in the areas where they supposedly are seem unable to locate. Can't help but chuckle at this, after that recent post on one such "camp".

11. They got another thing right, sort of. They mention mandatory service, but once again fail to mention that it's Obama and company that want such a thing implemented. At this point, one has to wonder what the real purpose of this video is, and who is actually behind it.

12. They make statements that all the wars in the Middle East were "pre-planned", but offer zero evidence, and not even a reference, for proof of such an outlandish claim.

13. They talk about the government keeping a database of all calls, all internet posts, etc. Can we be serious here??? ALL calls, ALL internet activity? There aren't enough people to keep track, and no one would waste the computer space for that. Something like Carnivore? Sure, looking for key words and phrases, and recording those instances for review. That is feasible, but ALL the data? Someone isn't thinking.

14. They mention "the Fed" planning a takeover of the internet, and yet again (four times now...), they fail to mention that Obama is the one talking about doing that.

15. They talk about a "DNA bank", even though most people have never donated a sample of DNA for archiving. Yeah, yeah, I know, "the doctors do it when you go in sick". Give me a break. Is it possible when they take a blood sample? Sure, but that would hardly count most people. Again, no evidence, no reference to anything as proof, just another statement they expect us to swallow whole. If we don't, we must be biased, of course...*insert another eye roll*

16. They speak of taxing cars per mile as though that would be to "fight terrorism", when in reality, the people proposing that are the environmentalists, trying to scare people with tall tales of "global warming".

17. They talk about a military computer system as though that is somehow an evil thing, and not one of practicality. Gee, I guess in their world, the military should still use swords and shields.

18. Then they go off the deep end entirely, and discuss nanotechnology as though we will all soon be.....the BORG!

19. Next, they label a vast, global tech system as "god", a ploy meant to scare people, but in reality, yet another jab at religious beliefs.

20. After this, they display an appalling lack of any real knowledge in matters of religious belief, by calling mandatory implants "the mark of the beast", completely overlooking the fact that this is something people would take voluntarily.

21. Last, but not least, they show their lack of original thought by telling us we will all soon be living in "The Matrix".

There are possibly a few things I missed, but that's the bulk of it. Was there supposed to be something informative there? Maybe my "bias" is preventing me from seeing it. In fact, my ability to not be taken in by all the images and sounds and carefully woven lies is exactly the sort of thing they pretend to want, but which would in reality tick them off. We are supposed to buy the lie. They went to such trouble to put all those manipulative images in there, and choose just the right music to draw people in. Sadly, it will work for a lot of people.
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