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Originally quoted by Benevolent Heretic
I am not out to prove anyone a racist. You are mistaken. I am just sharing MY definition of racism. We are all entitled to our opinion. And yes, I fully cop to setting the bar very low when it comes to racism as well as other forms of discrimination from one human being to another. I have very little tolerance for intolerance.
Your accusations are incorrect. But as I have acknowledged, I set the bar very low.
I grew up in Ohio and heard many racial slurs, some even from my family, and I NEVER heard Tar Baby. It's ok that you refuse to give Snow the benefit of the doubt, but I do.
What could I possibly teach anyone? I do not assume to teach anyone anything. The only place I hear these words these days is on this board. I don't use them. My friends and I don't sit around ragging on black or white people. Race is minimal in my life.
Who cares? I'm not going to explore ignorance. I'm not going to feed racism. I have no interest in drawing the line deeper in the sand. The thought is ludicrous to me!
What indication do you have that I've 'given up'? My continued postings to you? What have I given up, exactly? Changing your mind? I gave up on that a long time ago. Think whatever you want. I have no need for you to see things my way.
I think I do understand others. I just disagree. If you want me to agree with your judgments of Snow and McKinney, I'm sorry. I don't. But you're certainly free to have your judgments as I am to have mine.
Originally quoted by notbuynit
I don't. She messed up and tried to make race an issue when it was so obviuosly not. I almost believe it was preplanned. She isn't all that smart. I also don't see Dr. Rice attacking an officer of the law over something stupid. Do you???? Seriously, do you think Dr. Rice would do that???? I think she's smarter than that. Ms. McKinney and I obviously aren't. I was atleast impared tho, not that that did any good, kinda made it worse. I believe the two took different paths to power. We'll leave it at that. I'm not a hater, I'm just real.
Originally posted by ceci2006
You do set the bar very low. That is the problem.
But like you have your opinions, you have to respect the opinions about others without judgement. Do you truly do this?
But will you accept that I give Ms. McKinney the benefit of the doubt?
Everyone has the potential to teach others from their point of view about life.
You said that you wanted to pull away from discussions of race.
But are you willing to give me the benefit of the doubt?
I would like people to accept my opinions just as fairly as any other member on this topic. I ask that in the very least.
Originally quoted by Benevolent Heretic
And I don't hold back my point of view. That's pretty clear. If people learn from something I say, fine, but I don't go about trying to teach people things. That's the quickest way to turn someone off. I'm not going to think that I have something to teach people or an education to impart. That's totally arrogant, in my opinion and turns me away faster than anything.
But I find discussing race with you to be extremely frustrating, as illustrated and explained in the race thread.
Originally quoted by Benevolent Heretic
I'm not sure you're seeing the difference between accepting an opinion, agreeing with an opinion and respecting an opinion. You seem to be using the terms interchangeably and they mean something very different to me.
Dr. Rice is a very driven, erudite, and strong Black woman. I agree with you about that. But I have to ask whether in this pursuit of being "accepted" by the Republicans, what is her position regarding the use of "derogatory words" by other folk? And has she publicly condemned Ms. McKinney for her actions?
How does she react to the derogatory words uttered by not only her own race, but the other races?
I would be curious to know why her opinion (by virtue of being part of the Republican party) is taken with more weight than any other Black dignitary? Why does she get this shield of protection while Ms. McKinney gets attacked?
And what if Dr. Rice says something derogatory about Whites? Would you still hold her in the same esteem? Or would you attack her in the same way as Ms. McKinney?
Originally quoted by notbuynit
Again it comes back to her being a black woman. Maybe she actually agrees with conservatives even though she goes against the black power mongers? Maybe she doesn't sell out? Ever thought of that?
If she were a white person, would you have asked that? Maybe we are all bigots in some way? Some haven't come to terms with it. Again, I and probably she is offended.
I didn't feel it important enough to publisize my race. You did. You have decided in your mind, my race, stereotyped me. Take a guess at my race. Think softly because the hard thruth hurts.
Lets be serious here. If you are accusing the media of being conservative then that tells me this is going nowhere because you're not being realistic. I can atleast admit that FOX and most of talk radio is biased.
Yea right, Dr. Rice a bigot? Wouldn't happen but if it did and it would be front page forever, then yea, I'd have a problem with her. It's about principles. McKinney has none. She's a politician and nothing more.
We must be careful of who we defend, might bite us later. I think I'm a little more secure than you. All I have is history and my gut to account for people and I hold Condi far higher than whatsherface. I think I'm a far harsher judger of people than you. I'm a tad more critical than you. Disagree?
Originally posted by ceci2006
You are the first person in a long time on this board to admit that FOX news is biased. But no, I was not referring to the media.
Originally posted by ceci2006
The argument here is whether Cynthia McKinney is guilty by the association of Greg Palast's words.
If it is a questions of semantics, please do teach me the difference.
But I've learned from this thread how some White people feel about these words.
And no one has truly demonstrated where in Ms. McKinney's speeches, public policies and governmental work has she demonstrated her racism against Whites by espousing a segregationist approach barring them from social institutions.
I also didn't get the answer why people are not incensed that Greg Palast said the words.
They also correlate to the fact that because Greg Palast was the one saying the words, that he somehow gets an easier pass at saying them than Ms. McKinney.
One of the greatest mysteries about all these things is that the author has never admitted why he cares about posting this information about Ms. McKinney's website or his views about race in general.
Originally quoted by Benevolent Heretic
And I don't know the answer to that. I have already said I don't hold her responsible for the words of another.
Some people are going to hold her responsible, some are not. I think you should accept that.
These are just my opinions about these words and how I use them. I just don't think they all mean the same thing.
Can you demonstrate where someone has accused her of doing this? If not, then why should someone demonstrate it?
Racism may require that kind of behavior from you, but using the race card is enough for me to say a person is racist. Remember that bar-setting thing?
Probably the same reason people aren't furious about Dave Chapelle using the N-word. And I have told you that I feel the same about both. And to me, it doesn't matter what color the person is. Anyone using racial slurs I find to be distasteful and I don't like it. I try to stay under my 'bar' as much as possible.
I can't speak for him, I can only guess. But he's probably sick_to_death of being needled about his feelings on the subject. I would be, in his shoes. You are relentless in your pursuit of him to get him to 'admit' things, explain things and acknowledge things. He owes no explanation to you or anyone and is probably (wisely) staying out of the discussion. He has said how he feels. YOU DON'T ACCEPT IT. That's your problem.
Maybe she has sold out? She was on the Chevron Board. They did name a tanker after her. The Bush family has oil interests.
And who are these "Black Power Mongers"? Care to make any suggestions here?
I would. Because I would be just as curious to know. And I would check the records of the Government Publishing Office to find out.
In the scheme of things, I don't care. I do care more about people's views concerning this topic, however.
people in high positions get there and are afforded protection by other people in power. Most namely, the Bushes. Is that why we don't know what Dr. Rice is capable of?
How are you sure that Ms. McKinney hasn't any principles? Have you read her speeches? Have you read about her work? Have you looked at her credentials? Have you observed hdemic setting?
But I agree with you about being careful of who we defend. History and space will prove whether any of us are right or wrong.
Originally posted by ceci2006
Because it help proves whether Cynthia McKinney is truly racist or not.
Originally posted by ceci2006
And no one has truly demonstrated where in Ms. McKinney's speeches, public policies and governmental work has she demonstrated her racism against Whites by espousing a segregationist approach barring them from social institutions.
People who are truly committed to this would find it out and post it.
But, that says it all about having low expectations of people especially when it has to do with racist intentions. You are just the judge and jury. And everyone is definitely guilty. Don't forget to hang 'em high.
Originally quoted by notbuynit
That's all I need to send someone to the chair. Oh gosh, maybe she's just a businesswoman? Can't have succesful black woman can we? She sure as hell didn't get there on her own merits!
Not gonna answer because you know who I'm referring to. We all know who I'm referring to.
Truth hurts sometimes, that's life. Some of us live with it and some pretend to be something we're not to avoid the truth.
Like McKinney? What is your fixation on Dr.Rice btw? Maybe the fact that a black person is so powerful and so close to being the President of the United States of America rubs you wrong?
Which would be extremely wierd being that you are African American and all. Maybe because she would lead her way and not how you've been told how she should?
I said my gut. My gut hasn't been wrong yet. It is after all a pretty big gut. My wife could back me up on this and she is never ever wrong.
Space what? I almost agreed on this account but space what??? You talking aliens now or what? Maybe I'm misreading or something. Maybe I am an idiot and all, so what? We talking space and time continum or what?
I'm asking where has anyone made these accusations? They haven't. Why should someone demonstrate something McKinney hasn't done to satisfy your definition of the word racist?
That's your opinion. And why should anyone be truly committed to proving something to you? It's pretty much impossible.
You're going into your sarcastic mode and I have no intention of continuing this conversation with you.
Originally posted by notbuynit
.......... It's about principles. McKinney has none. She's a politician and nothing more. We must be careful of who we defend, might bite us later. I think I'm a little more secure than you. All I have is history and my gut to account for people and I hold Condi far higher than whatsherface. I think I'm a far harsher judger of people than you. I'm a tad more critical than you. Disagree?
Time
As a young congressman, Lott was among those who urged Reagan to deliver his first major campaign speech in Philadelphia, Mississippi, where three civil rights workers were murdered in one of the 1960s' ugliest cases of racist violence. It was a ringing declaration of his support for "states' rights" — a code word for resistance to black advances clearly understood by white Southern voters.
Liberalscum
For instance, you may or may not have heard Democrat Senator
Robert Byrd's outburst of racist bigoted slurs, more specifically the
"n-word," on national television in March of 2001. Amazingly, this
incident of blatant racism on national television drew barely a peep
from the NAACP, Jesse Jackson, Julian Bond, Mary Frances Berry, or any
of the other ambulance chasers who purport themselves to be the leaders
of the civil rights movement.
Originally posted by df1
mckinney is prejudice in favor of blacks.
The novels and writings of Joel Chandler Harris, especially his Uncle Remus tales, written from 1888 through 1906, looked back at the days of plantation slavery as a time of racial harmony in which happy and simple-minded blacks lived with respect and dignity as slaves. Thomas Nelson Page, whose early novels and short stories, usually narrated by elderly freedmen, portrayed, like Harris, a tranquil life in slavery where faithful blacks adored their masters and were cared for with affection and tenderness.