Originally posted by Nygdan
Originally posted by smallpeeps
Israel's neighbors have started wars against them?
Yes.
Uh, occupying forces are illegal according to the Geneva convention, and any native has the right to rise up against them. Please tell me you are not
referring to actions against Israel after 1918 and the beginning of the Zionist influx. Those do not qualify as "starting" a war. Besides, Israel
had nukes PRIOR to the six day war. Read on adventurer...
Israel seems to always approach the matter of their state a priori, as if it's always been there. But no, it has not.
This is entirely irrelevant as to the matter of Israel being justified in having nukes. They have been attacked in the past, they are in hostile
territory (regardless of how justified that hostility is), and therefore they are going to get nukes to use to attack their enemies.
Wow, I am shocked that you can honestly post that.
In fact, the chairman of the Israel Atomic Energy Commission (IAEC), Ernst David Bergmann, pushed the Israeli bomb agenda so as to ensure
"that we
shall never again be led as lambs to the slaughter." ...This according to
FASA. So again,
Zionists use the holocaust for their political/religious goals. I don't deny the holocaust, but I find the use of it to justify a nuke-armed state
to be reprehensible. Don't you? Frankly, the idea that H-bombs can prevent a repeat of the holocaust is ludicrous.
Also, under Wikipedia's section "
Dimona" we find this:
Dimona Nuclear Reactor
[...] Its construction commenced in 1958, with French assistance. The official reason given by the Israeli and French governments was to build a
nuclear reactor to power a "desalination plant", in order to "green the Negev". The purpose of Dimona is widely assumed to be the manufacturing of
nuclear weapons, and the majority of defense experts have concluded that it does in fact do that. However, the Israeli government refuses to confirm
or deny this publicly, as part of a policy of deliberate ambiguity.
The Dimona reactor went on-line some time between 1962 and 1964, and with the plutonium produced there, perhaps together with some enriched uranium
acquired through mysterious means (see Plumbat Operation), the Israel Defence Forces most probably had their first nuclear weapons ready before the
Six-Day War.
Some claim that because Israel knew the schedule of the inspectors' visits, it was able to hide the alleged purpose of the site (manufacturing of
nuclear weapons) from the inspectors, by installing temporary false walls and other devices before each inspection. The inspectors eventually informed
the U.S. government that their inspections were useless, due to Israeli restrictions on what areas of the facility they could inspect. In 1969, the
United States terminated the inspections.
In 1986, Mordechai Vanunu, a former technician at Dimona, revealed to the media some evidence of Israel's nuclear program. Israeli agents
kidnapped him from Italy, drugged him and transported him to Israel. An Israeli court then tried him in secret on charges of treason and espionage,
and sentenced him to eighteen years imprisonment. At the time of Vanunu's arrest, The Times reported that Israel had material for approximately
20 hydrogen bombs and 200 fission bombs. In 2000 Israel put into service 3 advanced Dolphin class submarines built in Germany, capable of
launching nuclear-armed cruise missiles [1].
So this is the global sort of behavior that you support, Nygdan? Please enlighten me as to how this advances the idea of world peace.
I am saying that world sympathy will not be entirely with Israel.
And we're all supposed to care about that because.......?
Who's "we" and why would I want you all to care? I have no idea what you are after. To state it plainly,
It is normal for a person to want to
care how their nation is percieved in the eyes of the world. It is the Zionist who doesn't understand that statement. Does that come as new
information to you?
World opinion does matter because more often than not, humans want peace and not war. History will always look at warmongers as evil, even if it
takes a hundred years for that warmongering to be revealed. Some nations are better at being sneaky than others, but the less sneaky nations, who are
up front and peace loving, are generally respected MORE than the sneaky nations.
However, what can be known is who intitiated the conflict.
So basically, you are saying that, no matter what, Israel is responsible for any wars in the region.
So why wouldn't they get nukes, and use them at liberty, whenever they feel threatened? Whats the reward for not using them?
Why do you constantly rephrase people's words in the wrong way, Nygdan? I have seen you do this before, and it amazes me. ...No, I am not saying
that Israel is responsible for "any wars in the region"... Only those wars which are propogated by their occupation. Occupation of a territory is
not legal, in spite of how powerful your allies are, or how non-powerful the natives are. It was wrong for Americans to dehumanize and kill natives
in their occupied territory also. Can Americans leave? No, but they can placate the natives. Can Israel move? Not really, but they can placate the
natives.
and when history is written, and the powder keg of the mid east goes off, it will be Israel who is seen as having tried to take advantage of
collaboration with the victors (and losers) of both world wars.
If there's a nuke war in the mid east between the US and Israel on one side and places like Iran and syria and arabia on the other, then the history
books about ti are going ot be written by yehudis and jingoists, and certainly won't put the blame on themselves.
Is that the sort of history book you read? Why not find accurate material? Will ATS disappear after such a war? I think a lot of this database
might survive. I tend to think the history of nuke war is being recorded RIGHT NOW, and I think it will be an accurate picture which survives such a
war. Would you like to discuss this point or quickly move on to the next one?
They wouldn't trade with them, wouldn't allow the natives to work,
The yehudi economy is based on palestinian labour, so what are you talking about?
I am talking about the Israeli immigrants refusing to transact with natives. I could find you a link but I think it's you who needs to make YOUR
point, which you have utterly failed to do.
[edit on 9-5-2006 by smallpeeps]
