Originally posted by ubermunche
Oh come on that's a BS answer, everyone knows who's responsible
- Do they?
I have to admit that sometimes it seems a lot like the debate about terrorism and that the fact that the people who actually carry out the acts
themselves are responsible for those acts no matter what (understandable or otherwise) context in which those acts take place.
the govt fails because they have introduced not one measure that's makes the perpetrator worry about the responsibility or the
- It's a free country, if you believe that that's up to you.......but by that yardstick all
previous governments must therefore be described
as failures too, right?
It might be more useful to stop thinking that everything can be deterred by the possibility of a sentence, for some that 'threat' isn't one.
The reason I'm selective about it is because the kind of crimes that concern us most are the ones on the rise.
- Or so we are told (to be so concerned).
The interesting thing about crime in the UK is that a lot of it is falling yet people do not recognise this and continue to fear it.
Since when have we heard Tone or Gordon begging us to let them raise taxes so they can build more affordable housing, hospitals, prisons. The
trick may be not so much about rasing taxes but allocating them to the areas we want to see an improvement in as in the above.
- Perhaps you missed the constant undertone in the last 3 elections, not forgetting the results?
The public has a choice to vote in a party who would raise tax (slightly), despite an improved position in the results the LibDems lost heavily,
If you really thing the public are in the mood to pay higher taxes (as you complain about the level of council tax - a large one-off bill but
relatively small when set against many people's annual tax bill) you are kidding yourself.
Even if it did mean paying more I gladly would if it meant it was going towards the right things.
- That's nice and I'll believe you.
The trouble is everybody makes that kind of claim in public but then only votes for parties that either promise to reduce taxes or not raise the tax
your views seem to stem more from a need to defend this govt's efforts than regard them objectively.
It is not "a need" (?!) to "defend" anything.
It is an objective consideration of the record and results, both theirs and the historical before them.
I would suggest that being unable or ignorant of the historical context robs more than a few here of true 'objectivity' at times.
Much as I do support the Labour party and would like to see better I am well aware they have underperformed at times, but I am realistic and
understand reality has a way of upsetting theory and plan.
'Events dear boy events' as MacMillan once said in that Edwardian style of his.
No more ridiculous than a mainstream party who've created such a level of dissafection and frustration amongst, for the most part, a
politically tolerant section of the voting public for them to even consider doing it.
- OK that's the claim and you may think that but I'll await the results before getting carried away with this because I have to say I don't
believe it myself.
There are -
Local elections 2006 - a breakdown
In total, 4,361 of the 19,579 council seats across 3,123 wards in England will be up for grabs in 176 of England's 388 councils.
This includes a third of seats on 81 district local authorities, half of the seats on seven district councils, a third of seats on 20 unitaries and 36
metropolitan district councils, and all-out elections in the 32 London borough councils. There are no elections in Scotland or Wales. Four of the 12
elected mayors also face the voters in Hackney (Lab), Lewisham (Lab), Newham (Lab) and Watford (Lib Dem).
- so lets just see how many out of that 4,361 the BNP manage to take and what % of the 19.579 the end up holding.
Originally posted by infinite
its a democracy, people can vote for who they like. Thats the beautfy of the system.
- Absolutely, that's true, they can and it is.
I wouldn't call the BNP extreme right or fascist anymore, the party is more democratic than some mainstream with its policy of wanting an
English parliament. Far right, or very right wing, yes.
- Well you are entitled to your opinion but I think you are utterly wrong (although the toleration they get from those who favour the tory party for
them is hardly anything new......Nick Griffin's father, Edwin, was a Conservative Party official in Halesworth, who amongst other things attended NF
meetings in the past.
extreme right and fascist (even if they don't appear to be to tory supporters), they are simply pretending not to be right now
because they think that type of deliberate lying concealment is a way to improve the level of their support.
As for being "more democratic" than the mainstream parties I'd like to hear why you believe this the case?
Sinn Fein are allowed to take part in our democracy and they have been involved with the IRA...i think they've done a lot worse than the
British National Party, dont't you?
- What "a lot worse" have SF done?
Sinn Fein aren't the IRA, senior members may be or have been in the IRA but that does not make SF the IRA.
SF are the political wing of the IRA and they have been central to and a large part of the current political/peace process and progress......how is
helping to create and sustain the peace not "a lot worse"?.
It's superficial but I don't think the comparison is valid.
An honest and logical policy of political 'freedom for all of Ireland' - whether one backs that or not - is wholly different to the illogic,
deception and lies of the British nationalist, racist and fascist party.
At the end of the day, i wont be voting British National Party...ill be voting Conservative
- Nevermind, nobodies perfect.
but i will certainly not be telling people how they should vote.
- Who's doing that?
It a bit of to and fro over what is going on or what might go on and the parties involved.
Even the parties involved only ask for your vote.
I don't see anyone actually trying to tell anyone who to vote for (like as if anyone would listen to that kind of thing anyway).
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