Part 2 -
Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
as well as supporting a bunch of low lifes who are pissing out kids left and right on council estates, living off benefits and cheating the system
and going out drinking and partying on government money.
- Again do you imagine problem areas are something new?
You should read some of the old histories of what the poor and 'working class' areas of the inner cities were once like.
Things, generally, are so much better despite the tabloid scare-stories and the quaint and totally inaccurate look back to a 'golden age that never
As for state benefits?
Have you seen how low they are? Or how difficult to get?
.....and if there is no other means of support what then, huh?
But benefit fraud is not a matter of 'left' or 'right', as a matter of fact this particular government has tightened up the rules considerably.
Dangerous foreign criminals are released from prison into society at large only to commit crimes again, when they were supposed to have been
deported in the first place.
- You already mentioned this and as was pointed out earlier the number of re-offenders is apparantly 5.
It's not exactly the end of the world or years of 'lefty oppression', huh?
Crime rates are rising to levels unimaginable in this country
Crime rates in most catagories and in most areas (with a couple of exceptions) is falling, it's a reality and not such a big surprise with our aging
Anti-social behavior is becoming increasingly common, in my opinion, due the the relaxing of discipline and standards in the
- Well anti-social behaviour certainly exists, hence the government's 'Respect' agenda.
.....but surely a wee while back you were complaining about schools dictating about behaviour?
Multiculturalism is destroying the social cohesion in this country.
- 'Multiculturalism' has been a fact here since almost forever.
'We' British have travelled the globe, fought, traded and settled the whole world over for centuries and a consequence of that is a 'community'
from just about everywhere.
.....and it's not as if the human race sprung up here, we're a nation of immigrants.
Instead of new arrivals from different countries being encouraged to integrate, contribute, and become British in culture and identity, they
are instead encouraged to retain their old national identity and cultural practices
- Quite rightly.
Just as everybody that ever emigrated to anywhere did.
Why should they lose any trace of their cultural identity?
The alternate 'integrationist' approach certainly hasn't worked too well for France, hmm?
Being British is no longer the encouraged goal of people coming here.
- Not true.
A schooling in 'British-ness' is now part of the program of immigration.....thanks to this government, another first .
However, cultural sharing cannot happen when cultures choose to segregate and define themselves as completely alien from their
You'll find just about all the immigrant waves we ever had end up "segregated" and in the poorest crap end of town/country, to begin with.
It's almost always. initially, nothing to do with "choice".
Just rang her on the phone and asked her if her boyfriend lived there. her obvious answer was no. End of investigation.
- So far as you know. How do you know they aren't 'observing' the situation?
But again that's hardly conclusive 'evidence' of years of 'lefty oppression'.
the woman in question was a lady friend of the man who sometimes came over and would make dinner for him and keep him company. She did not live
- Yeah, silly stuff goes on....especially because the majority of benefit fraud 'leads' come from the public themselves (I have friends who work in
the benefit system).
Always has done probably always will.
The immigration problem seems a big one on the minds of most Brits I talk to. they are quite fed up with the lax and overly generous system,
and they do feel like they are lesser people in their own country.
- Well the amount of myth that is out there would tend to lead people to believe all sorts of stuff on this issue, little of it wholly accurate from
what I can make out.
Nevermind the popular myth, the truth is British governments (of all 'colours) have been 'tightening up' immigrations controls here almost every
year since the late 1950's.
The really crazy thing is that much of these irrational fears and low-level racism comes from areas with few immigrants.
75% of Brits polled said they want to leave their own homeland isnt a sign that things arent too happy for them at home, then I dont know what
- I doubt it is historically much new, I can recall similar being said under Thatcher, who was pretty right-wing.
I can understand there may be instances of things that don't look 'good' or sound quite right or maybe areas of government that need serious review
(the Home Office for instance is notorious in this respect - and has been for many many years) but I still can't see any of the years of 'lefty
oppression' you mentioned.
Really I can't; nothing you have mentioned here fits the bill as far as I can see.
The majority of your complaint(s) are either common occurrences under 'left', 'centre' or 'right' governments or are simply not a 'left' or
'right' matter IMO.
......and I do think that trying to apply a 'lefty' label to the Blair government is simply well wide of the mark.
They are, IMO, centrist on foreign aid policy, centre-right on most economic (with the exception of the small amount of 'redistribution' Gordon
Brown has indulged in), social and domestic policy and quite right-wing on foreign and defence policy.
Where is this 'lefty oppression'?
....and what remedy would you suggest?
No social provision at all, a completely private health service?
A reversal of the divorce laws perhaps?
Criminalising consensual private sexual behaviour?
The toleration of narrow prejudice as a basis for decision making in commercial and political life?
There will always be problems and things we can criticise but the alternative is, IMO, so much worse (as well as being at heart utterly illogical and
[edit on 25-5-2006 by sminkeypinkey]