What is making us NOT fight back?, page 5
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reply posted on 6-4-2006 @ 11:24 AM by launchpad
Originally posted by ludaChris
I wonder what the athletes who play these sports would say to that statement. You think baseball and basketball were invented to control the populace? Ask Abner Doubleday and James Nasmith, they can tell you. Thats complete balogne, sport is for amusement, to put our bodies to use, and most of all for competition. I dont think that modern sports are a conspiracy of any kind.


Well I can betya they'll say what ever the people pay them tell them too. How many times have you seen/heard of them getting fined for voicing an opinion outside of established guidelines? Much the same as myself in a military uniform. igh> Invented- well no but sure are being used to do so. Next time you turn on the boob tube or pay $45 a head to attend a game where others are doing the activity; or participate in a discussion on the outcome to some irrelevant to life game instead of what is wrong with poly-tics YOU are playing right in the THEIR (who ever THEY are) hands.

Use your bodies you say? WTF are you smoking. The AVERAGE sports enthusiast is 50+ lbs overweight. If it were to use your bodies the events would not be televised to induce a population to SIT on their ever widening rear ends! Keep kidding yourself. Go out and PLAY the games yourself- statistics say way more folks WATCH than PLAY- exactly what THEY need to erode your rights because you are too busy with the inconsequential

Sorry, I got to leave to go DO something today rather than sitting on my bum so any replies will have to wait until a later day. I suggest everyone does the same for the sake of those soft bodies and the state of the world.


reply posted on 6-4-2006 @ 04:55 PM by Vekar
Refering back to my previous statement on "what to do" specifically #2:
Never rule out anything, we MIGHT take back the US legally through election but then again we might not. We MIGHT be able to take back the country through all the different things I have named but then again maybe not. The truth is we never know, no one here has a crystal ball that tells the future, and probably never will.
The next election will spell out (if there is one) what the future will hold and what actions will have to be taken. If we get a ringaround or no election, or then again another theft then removing them peacefully is gone.
Two reasons why revolution could happen:
#1: We have nothing to loose after the next election (if it proves to be a farse or there is none)
#2: Fear, fear leads to distrust, distrust leads to hate, hate leads to war.
If you want more:
#3: People are sick of getting trodden on
#4: We have a history of violence
#5: We have a nack for fighting back when things go to far
etc, etc, etc.
Revolution does not undermine who we are depending on how we use it. Now if we start a revolution and do what deltaboy suggested we are the enemy that we have cursed. How you ACT in war REFLECTS who you are and what you STAND FOR. Its ironic, sometimes you have to kill to save lives, like in WW2 or other events around the world. War is not immoral, its how its USED and how people FIGHT a war that makes it seam immoral.
You cannot undermine yourself in war when you have no other choice.


reply posted on 6-4-2006 @ 04:56 PM by Dr_Faustus
Firstly, it should be pointed out that Americas Founding Fathers were by-and-large, educated business leaders versed well in the concepts of Politics, Rhetoric, and Philosophy—Rhetoric, a lost art today, is not about using haughty words. It forms the foundation of critical thinking and logical argument, and is the diplomat of that Lost Queen of the Sciences, Philosophy. Indeed, some of the world’s greatest revolutionary leaders: Mao, Ho Chi Mien, Castro, Guevara, Marx, Engels, and others were educated men. Many did not simply pick up a rifle, a Molotov cocktail, and march to the capitol. Furthermore, one should explore some of the tactics and concepts espoused by these leaders if we are to have a truly useful discussion of what constitutes an organized and successful revolution.

Americas Founding Fathers, Mao, and other would-be revolutionaries realized that any uprising demands the support of the lower classes; be it American indentured-servants, Chinese farmers, or the Russian peasantry if the rebellion was to survive; and absolutely requires the dissatisfaction of the Middle-Class—a realization that no doubt led to the apparatus of the Electoral College

We do not fight because we have substituted the time spent on scholarship for American Idol, Berkeley for soccer practice, and Descartes for Hawaiian vacations. We do not fight, because what’s left of the Middle-Class is not terribly dissatisfied. Ask any freshman in college, or senior in High School, to explain Rousseau’s Social Contract. Indeed, many Americans have forgotten that the Rulers and the Ruled have entered into a mutual contract of support and governorship. Furthermore, America is not a pure Democracy—in my opinion—it is a republic built for, and in, an era when land-owners and merchants capitalized the right to vote—universal suffrage was simply not on the agenda during this period.

Nor was the concept of the modern corporation. America is in a period of what I call ‘Corporatacracy.’ I believe Marx was wrong in his assumption that capitalism will lead to socialism, which will lead to communism. Corporate power, what Ambrose Pierce in “The Devils Dictionary, 1911.” called ‘an ingenious device of obtaining individual profit, without individual responsibility,’ is now at the economic/political center of power in America today. What should theoretically be a period—if we paralleled historically European development—of society moving toward Universal Health Care, state-run utility systems, and other more socialistic concepts; we’re actually beginning to discuss the opposite. Free-Trade, as practiced by trade organizations around the world, is based on liberalized economics, and is terribly destructive to the quality-of-life for many of the world’s general populations. For instance, a corporate move to another country where labor laws are weak, or exploitive, not only serves to increase our unemployed, but encourages other countries to adopt and enforce sub-standard labor policies. It also forces our people in the first world to relinquish those rights bought with blood—40 hour work-weeks, minimum wage, pensions, supportive wages, and other economic safe-hoods that have defined our country since the crash of ’29.

Free-Trade forces a nation’s people to compromise with its values, or be wrought asunder by the ‘the invisible hand’—which is really just the hand of economic extortion. This is just one example of the continued devolvement of our people and our values. While rants upon the erosion of family values, the “Zionist conspiracy”, and other scapegoatish logic may satisfy the speaker’s inner-need to justify their personal values; it is objective economic forces, and the human greed which drives them forward, that is to blame for our current crisis. It is also our anti-intellectualism, and the intoxicating effects of modern advancement coupled with this “social-mobility” nonsense that bounds us like dogs to the post of apathy and false hope.




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