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What is making us NOT fight back?

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posted on Apr, 6 2006 @ 10:17 AM

Originally posted by Elsenorpompom
This has been a wonderful all of you who posted on this thread...with the exception of ludaChris.....Great job!!

Is my input not wanted at all. You dont want to hear a different opinion? So because my opinion isnt wanted it is detrimental to this thread? I find it interesting that you feel your free speech is violated yet I would wager if you were in power you would have no problem violating my free speech because you disagree with it. I read this thread and I see people talking of violent revolution. The problem I have with that idea is that it leads me to believe that if it succeeded you would have no problem getting rid of others who share the ideas of those you wish to overthrow, and that disturbs me. You say your freedoms are being taken away, but if from what I read here, some of these folks wouldnt have a problem taking away someone like myself freedoms because my opinion isnt wanted anyway. Is it wrong to have a different opinion? Is it wrong to ask questions? You seem to think so when theyre not your own.

posted on Apr, 6 2006 @ 10:29 AM
Honestly, what is the number one thing you talk about at work- i'll betya SPORTS. Or a close second is Reality series or some stupid sitcom. They got you distracted with caca- most no one has the time between televised sporting events and reality series to attend a meeting or organise.

Ever notice that even in SIMS sports are used to 'control' the populace? It is right there screaming in everyones face but most still got to see THE game no matter what else is going on. How many folks pay upwards of $100 to watch a meaningless sporting event. (what is the AVERAGE cable bill) Most site right where the 'powers that be' what them to be- mesmerized in front of the 'boob tube'

in short turn the caca off and live reality, orgainise, and save your freedoms.

posted on Apr, 6 2006 @ 10:35 AM
I wonder what the athletes who play these sports would say to that statement. You think baseball and basketball were invented to control the populace? Ask Abner Doubleday and James Nasmith, they can tell you. Thats complete balogne, sport is for amusement, to put our bodies to use, and most of all for competition. I dont think that modern sports are a conspiracy of any kind.

posted on Apr, 6 2006 @ 10:42 AM
hell, send me some 50 or so guns and I'll promise you that I'll start a riot.
The only reason Canada isn't going crazy is the lack of weapons, what am I gonna do? Attack the police and military with forks and knives?

posted on Apr, 6 2006 @ 11:24 AM

Originally posted by ludaChris
I wonder what the athletes who play these sports would say to that statement. You think baseball and basketball were invented to control the populace? Ask Abner Doubleday and James Nasmith, they can tell you. Thats complete balogne, sport is for amusement, to put our bodies to use, and most of all for competition. I dont think that modern sports are a conspiracy of any kind.

Well I can betya they'll say what ever the people pay them tell them too. How many times have you seen/heard of them getting fined for voicing an opinion outside of established guidelines? Much the same as myself in a military uniform. Invented- well no but sure are being used to do so. Next time you turn on the boob tube or pay $45 a head to attend a game where others are doing the activity; or participate in a discussion on the outcome to some irrelevant to life game instead of what is wrong with poly-tics YOU are playing right in the THEIR (who ever THEY are) hands.

Use your bodies you say? WTF are you smoking. The AVERAGE sports enthusiast is 50+ lbs overweight. If it were to use your bodies the events would not be televised to induce a population to SIT on their ever widening rear ends! Keep kidding yourself. Go out and PLAY the games yourself- statistics say way more folks WATCH than PLAY- exactly what THEY need to erode your rights because you are too busy with the inconsequential

Sorry, I got to leave to go DO something today rather than sitting on my bum so any replies will have to wait until a later day. I suggest everyone does the same for the sake of those soft bodies and the state of the world.

posted on Apr, 6 2006 @ 12:03 PM
the first step is to figure out how we're going to coordinate this. content is worthless without attention for this reason im gonna open up a new thread for ideas and execution for Oct. 13

im thinking of calling it "October 13, 2006"

that is where we're going to start planning

thread's up and running. let's get to work.

[edit on 6-4-2006 by Omnipocket]

posted on Apr, 6 2006 @ 12:21 PM
Good, maybe even the mods might assist in some way.

It would be great to see ATS have an effect on something good.

posted on Apr, 6 2006 @ 12:23 PM

Originally posted by grimreaper797
i dont know what timeframe your exactly living in, but i doubt its this one. lower social people have better chances? not really,

The United States of America has the most class mobility of any nation on Earth.

. corzine demolished a program for top students completely. it was a program for the best in the state of NJ,

Jon Corzine is a crook.

-- Boat

posted on Apr, 6 2006 @ 01:32 PM

Originally posted by Omnipocket
im thinking of calling it "October 13, 2006"
thread's up and running

Where is it? I looked for the "October 13, 2006" threads and nothing.

What gives?

posted on Apr, 6 2006 @ 01:34 PM

posted on Apr, 6 2006 @ 01:35 PM
i didnt deny it was the most, just not much better. just because its a step above most 3rd world countries we compare it to doesnt mean that we should be happy with it.

america is not a leaderin in education anymore by far, lets keep this in mind. republicans want to cut education even more....such a bad idea.

posted on Apr, 6 2006 @ 02:20 PM
I posted something here and realized that it would be stupid to bring attention to myself.
It's not as if I believe anything you would read online would bring you to your feet to join me. So, I'll just do it by myself and come back to tell the story about it next week... instead of shooting myself in the foot hoping that more people would be willing to help.
More than likely all it would draw is the WRONG attention.

[edit on 6-4-2006 by Contentious]

posted on Apr, 6 2006 @ 03:04 PM
There is a point where there will be revolt and probably violently by the time the blinded masses awaken. What will it take for you to step forward?

Will it require the unwarranted detention of a loved one?
Will it require the death of a loved one through tyrannical tactics?
Will it require private troops at your door demanding you turn over your guns?
Will it require the company you work for stealing your 401k investments?
Will it require your property to be taken from you for eliteist developments?
Will it require your 4x4 or SUV to be turned in because it would allow you too much off road access?

While we still feed the beast here in the states, my suggestion would be a complete boycott of all consumer goods on the day after Thanksgiving. I know, this is going to take alot of discipline to keep yourself from getting up at 4am. to save $12 on a dvd player but it seems like a pretty weighty idea. We can call it , Illuminated Friday.!

posted on Apr, 6 2006 @ 04:23 PM
Just in time... "what's making us NOT"
Bummer... 43. Who'da thought?

posted on Apr, 6 2006 @ 04:39 PM
In answer to the original question, television.

posted on Apr, 6 2006 @ 04:55 PM
Refering back to my previous statement on "what to do" specifically #2:
Never rule out anything, we MIGHT take back the US legally through election but then again we might not. We MIGHT be able to take back the country through all the different things I have named but then again maybe not. The truth is we never know, no one here has a crystal ball that tells the future, and probably never will.
The next election will spell out (if there is one) what the future will hold and what actions will have to be taken. If we get a ringaround or no election, or then again another theft then removing them peacefully is gone.
Two reasons why revolution could happen:
#1: We have nothing to loose after the next election (if it proves to be a farse or there is none)
#2: Fear, fear leads to distrust, distrust leads to hate, hate leads to war.
If you want more:
#3: People are sick of getting trodden on
#4: We have a history of violence
#5: We have a nack for fighting back when things go to far
etc, etc, etc.
Revolution does not undermine who we are depending on how we use it. Now if we start a revolution and do what deltaboy suggested we are the enemy that we have cursed. How you ACT in war REFLECTS who you are and what you STAND FOR. Its ironic, sometimes you have to kill to save lives, like in WW2 or other events around the world. War is not immoral, its how its USED and how people FIGHT a war that makes it seam immoral.
You cannot undermine yourself in war when you have no other choice.

posted on Apr, 6 2006 @ 04:56 PM
Firstly, it should be pointed out that Americas Founding Fathers were by-and-large, educated business leaders versed well in the concepts of Politics, Rhetoric, and Philosophy—Rhetoric, a lost art today, is not about using haughty words. It forms the foundation of critical thinking and logical argument, and is the diplomat of that Lost Queen of the Sciences, Philosophy. Indeed, some of the world’s greatest revolutionary leaders: Mao, Ho Chi Mien, Castro, Guevara, Marx, Engels, and others were educated men. Many did not simply pick up a rifle, a Molotov cocktail, and march to the capitol. Furthermore, one should explore some of the tactics and concepts espoused by these leaders if we are to have a truly useful discussion of what constitutes an organized and successful revolution.

Americas Founding Fathers, Mao, and other would-be revolutionaries realized that any uprising demands the support of the lower classes; be it American indentured-servants, Chinese farmers, or the Russian peasantry if the rebellion was to survive; and absolutely requires the dissatisfaction of the Middle-Class—a realization that no doubt led to the apparatus of the Electoral College

We do not fight because we have substituted the time spent on scholarship for American Idol, Berkeley for soccer practice, and Descartes for Hawaiian vacations. We do not fight, because what’s left of the Middle-Class is not terribly dissatisfied. Ask any freshman in college, or senior in High School, to explain Rousseau’s Social Contract. Indeed, many Americans have forgotten that the Rulers and the Ruled have entered into a mutual contract of support and governorship. Furthermore, America is not a pure Democracy—in my opinion—it is a republic built for, and in, an era when land-owners and merchants capitalized the right to vote—universal suffrage was simply not on the agenda during this period.

Nor was the concept of the modern corporation. America is in a period of what I call ‘Corporatacracy.’ I believe Marx was wrong in his assumption that capitalism will lead to socialism, which will lead to communism. Corporate power, what Ambrose Pierce in “The Devils Dictionary, 1911.” called ‘an ingenious device of obtaining individual profit, without individual responsibility,’ is now at the economic/political center of power in America today. What should theoretically be a period—if we paralleled historically European development—of society moving toward Universal Health Care, state-run utility systems, and other more socialistic concepts; we’re actually beginning to discuss the opposite. Free-Trade, as practiced by trade organizations around the world, is based on liberalized economics, and is terribly destructive to the quality-of-life for many of the world’s general populations. For instance, a corporate move to another country where labor laws are weak, or exploitive, not only serves to increase our unemployed, but encourages other countries to adopt and enforce sub-standard labor policies. It also forces our people in the first world to relinquish those rights bought with blood—40 hour work-weeks, minimum wage, pensions, supportive wages, and other economic safe-hoods that have defined our country since the crash of ’29.

Free-Trade forces a nation’s people to compromise with its values, or be wrought asunder by the ‘the invisible hand’—which is really just the hand of economic extortion. This is just one example of the continued devolvement of our people and our values. While rants upon the erosion of family values, the “Zionist conspiracy”, and other scapegoatish logic may satisfy the speaker’s inner-need to justify their personal values; it is objective economic forces, and the human greed which drives them forward, that is to blame for our current crisis. It is also our anti-intellectualism, and the intoxicating effects of modern advancement coupled with this “social-mobility” nonsense that bounds us like dogs to the post of apathy and false hope.

[edit on 6-4-2006 by Dr_Faustus]

posted on Apr, 6 2006 @ 05:16 PM
Is it just me, or does the term "revolution" at this point mean we would STOP destroying ourselves, and travel in the opposite direction?

Because I see a LOT of people discussion 'revolution' or having a sense of revolution in their approach towards the political process in this country.
None of the self proclaimed 'revolutionaries' in our lives have addressed their primary objective.

Before you start a revolution, first you have to STOP something, right?

posted on Apr, 6 2006 @ 05:19 PM
straight up contentuios.

couldnt have said it better myself

posted on Apr, 6 2006 @ 05:54 PM
please correct me if I have got this wrong!?

Oct 13th, you are attempting to plan a demonstration or a mini revolution? With all the talk about guns??? makes me a little apprehensive. There are plenty of things you can do now, peacefully. Email campaigns, boycott products/organisations. It is simple, money makes the world go around, what happens if people stop buying a product or supporting an org? They listen.

Sit in at council meetings, I am not sure of the equivalent for US. Join community groups etc... Write letters to newspapers/start a petition. Take that petition to the next level and so on.

Please! Leave the guns/violence out of this.

The pen is mightier than the sword!

edit to mention in my sig is a link to greenpeace, it is so easy, click on the link and there are email campaigns that you can send with the click of the button. Read some of the achievements this NGO has achieved.

[edit on 6-4-2006 by NJE777]

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