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NEWS: Iraq collapsing into civil war
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Originally posted by nativeokie
What is going on with media coverage of this?
Here is a quote from Foxnews
That is taken from this article. Not 1300, not 1000+ only 379. Are we even getting the real story on this?
My guess is that we are done seeing accurate reports about the deaths. Unless we go somewhere outside the US . What do you expect from FOX News?
Pressure on Baghdad Morgues
BAGHDAD, Feb. 28 -- Officials overseeing Baghdad's morgue have come under pressure not to investigate the soaring number of apparent cases of execution and torture in the country, the former U.N. human rights chief for Iraq said Tuesday.
...
On Monday, workers at Baghdad's main morgue said that more than 1,300 bodies had been brought in since the previous Wednesday and that 200 to 300 bodies remained unclaimed. Washington Post reporters saw several dozen bodies on the floor and on gurneys and tables in the entry halls outside the main rooms of the morgue. All the dead appeared to be victims of violence, as did the men in photographs of what morgue workers said were the unclaimed dead.
We're on our own now to figure out the truth.
And we won't get accurate numbers, either.
Because the journalists fear for their lives.
And yet, Bush is in TOTAL DENIAL that it's even close to a civil war. He won't even answer a question about the possibility.
If that's not total-head-in-the-sand denial, I don't know what is.
It's not true because I say it isn't true!
[edit on 1-3-2006 by Benevolent Heretic]
Because the journalists fear for their lives.
Samim pointed out that international media organisations were increasingly relying on Iraqi journalists to provide news coverage, due to the frequent kidnapping of foreign reporters. "For this reason, we're being judged and targeted because we're in front of the news," he said.
"Iraq has become hell for journalists because wherever you go or whatever you do, you’re being targeted," said local newspaper journalist Saleh Abdul-Kareem. "We depend on this work for a living and, day after day, more colleagues are being killed."
...
Some 112 people working for media organisations have been killed, either by insurgents or by US forces, since March 2003, according to data from the IJA. "No other country has reported so many deaths of journalists doing their duty," said Samim.
And yet, Bush is in TOTAL DENIAL that it's even close to a civil war. He won't even answer a question about the possibility.
Asked what Washington would do if civil war broke out in Iraq, Mr Bush told ABC News: "I don't buy your premise that there's going to be a civil war."
He said he had spoken to leaders of all Iraqi sects and "I heard loud and clear that they understand that they're going to choose unification, and we're going to help them do so".
If that's not total-head-in-the-sand denial, I don't know what is.
It's not true because I say it isn't true!
[edit on 1-3-2006 by Benevolent Heretic]
Originally posted by Harlequin
VIGILANTE ACTION
So the press are already started segregating the different peoples and giving them labels.
Exactly my point these people are going to take over their own communities and form militias to keep them safe.
Sunnis will take care of their own majority rule cities and keep the Shiites out.
And so Shiites will do the same.
No group is going to abide by the Iraqi government at least Sunnis will not recognize their authority and less the US coalition trained army and police, because they are Shiites.
The problems in Iraq recognizing only one group as the one in power is going to be the down fall of the Iraqi government.
The reason media is already segregating groups is because now we can given a name to the groups fighting.
Is not longer insurgents vs civilians and American troops now is Shiites and Sunnis.
Kurds are the smartest of all of them they have their own littler city guarded with their own militia and not body dares to cross their borders.
Originally posted by Regenmacher
"I do not think that bombing is either an attempt by the Sunnis and Shiites," he says. "It is from other infiltrators who want to make sectarian strife. Those who had bombed Ali Hadi Mosque and those who bombed Sunni mosques are agents for Mossad in the first place, and for the Americans in the second place. The US is the largest beneficiary from the current situation. A civil war delights the Americans. They would be happy viewers."
Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
Riiight let's blame it on the Israelis, and Americans too right?....
I still remember the reaction of some Muslims in places like London when other Muslims were beheading westerners....they were also blaming Israelis and Mosad for those beheadings, in fact some Muslims were saying on tv that it was the Israelis doing those beheadings....
Sunnis and Shiites have been fighting against each other since the 7th century AD, they have continued fighting against each other trying to find who should be the rightful branch of Islam to control all Muslims, but all of a sudden these days "it's all the western world fault".....
Maybe some people are right and maybe the coalition should leave Iraq and Afghanistan, who cares if terrorists and extremists kill civilians and want them to submit to their extremist views....
Who cares if these extremists want their views to be imposed in the whole world and once they control the middle east they will continue with their mission to have the world dominated by Islam....
Who cares if some extremist brings nuclear/biological weapons to the western world and westerners die en mass....
Let's leave Iraq and hope that extremists can find it in their hearts to love and not hate anyone, including westerners, and instead of strapping bombs on the bodies of kids and youths/adults with emotional problems or those who have been indoctrinated into blaming the west for everything; maybe they will see that it is better to put flowers in their children's hands and to teach them to love instead of hating everything and everyone who is not an extremist....
Hey, in fact let's go to the streets and chant and protest for how corrupt the western world is, in fact we should allow the Islamic extremists to dominate the Middle East, and maybe later on we should let them dominate the western world too.
[edit on 1-3-2006 by Muaddib]
Originally posted by Muaddib
Riiight let's blame it on the Israelis, and Americans too right?....
Wrong, shifting blame is never a solution.
Spinning civil war as normal is also wrong.
Blame Game
• Nothing get's resolved .
• Facades continue.
• No one is directly held accountable.
• Irresponsibility escalates.
• No one gains the ability of introspection.
ATS Bush and Clinton. The Two Headed Coin.
Accountability: the state of being accountable. An obligation or willingness to accept responsibility or to account for one's actions.
NO Accountablity:
•Intelligence agencies warned about growing local insurgency in late 2003 -Knight Ridder
•Spy Chief: Iraq May Spark Regional Battle - Associated Press
•Intelligence chief fears a wider Islamic war -Newark Star Ledger
Active troops go nuts and don't want to be held accountable:
•Poll of troops in Iraq sees 72% support for withdrawal within a year -Stars and Stripes
•U.S. Troops in Iraq: 72% Say End War in 2006 -Zogby
•Study: One-Third of US Soldiers Returning From Iraq Use Mental Health Services -Voice of America
•1 in 3 Iraq veterans ask for trauma help -Chicago Tribune
Do the Math:
Iraqi Civil War = 2274 US soldiers lives wasted + 204 Coalition soldiers lives wasted +16,653 US military needlessly wounded + $250 billion tax payer dollars down the toilet.
•Iraq war is costing $100,000 per minute -Los Angeles Times
•Cost of the Iraq war could exceed $2 trillion -Boston News
Iraq's Oil Bust -MSNBC
Oil exports were supposed to pay for the reconstruction. Instead they've been stifled.
Only three years ago, before the United States led the invasion of Iraq, the Bush ad—ministration dreamed of liberating the country on the cheap. Billions in untapped oil reserves would pay for reconstruction and nation-building. But hundreds of billions of American tax dollars later, Iraq's oil still isn't flowing at prewar levels. And in a country where 90 percent of the government's $35 billion in revenues comes from petroleum, the old promise has come to seem a curse. "Some people wish we didn't have all this oil," says National Assembly Speaker Hajim al-Hassani, "because it has brought us all these problems."
Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
[edit on 1-3-2006 by Regenmacher]
A Bird In Your Bonnet
I got bored of the topic, but I sure could go for one of those ostrich bonnets!
However, before I lay my money down, I first need to know:
1. How much do they cost, and
2. Are they made from real ostrich, and, most importantly,
3. Are they free from bird flu?
Maybe they should start selling ostrich bonnets in the ATS store.
I got bored of the topic, but I sure could go for one of those ostrich bonnets!
However, before I lay my money down, I first need to know:
1. How much do they cost, and
2. Are they made from real ostrich, and, most importantly,
3. Are they free from bird flu?
Maybe they should start selling ostrich bonnets in the ATS store.
Originally posted by Majic
I got bored of the topic, but I sure could go for one of those ostrich bonnets!
You have to sign a fat cat waiver, since the
predators usually eat those not paying attention.
According to the latest news on Yahoo et al, the head of the Iraqi Intelligence Service sent warnings about a possible Mosque attack well before the
actual attack and those warnings were ignored. Also, the 8 guards at the mosque were not killed, just tied up & left. The Sunni's are now saying
the 8 were complicit in the attack and the government was probably in on it as well. Their reasoning is that attacking on of their own mosques would
set the stage for widespread reprisials against the Sunni's--which have happened.
In light of everything that has come out about the mosque bombing, the Sunni's appear to me to have a good point and may well be right.
In light of everything that has come out about the mosque bombing, the Sunni's appear to me to have a good point and may well be right.
In the beginning it was GOOD
Aww crap ratings drop; respin it again Sam
Looks like the "civil war as a good thing" wasn't selling, so they
switched to "the civil war is a figment of the imagination."
Fox formula of madness:
1. Respin it to assuage Bushbot egos.
2. Deny, deny and deny some more.
3. Blame all media except for FOX media.
4. Blame all opposition, critics or entire world.
5. Blame the victims, dead people or God.
6. Repeat, if ad revenues or ratings drop.
* see blame game above
Death tolls get spun:
•Iraq's death toll: Pressure applied to hide true figures
•Morgue pressed to stay quiet
Iraqi PM Cancels Meeting With Top Leaders
The former U.N. human rights chief for the country said abuses are as bad now as they were under Saddam Hussein. Extrajudicial killings and torture are soaring, and morgue workers are being threatened by both government-backed militiamen and insurgents not to properly investigate deaths, he said in an interview in Sydney, Australia.
"Under Saddam, if you agreed to forego your basic right to freedom of expression and thought, you were physically more or less OK,'' said John Pace, who last month left his post as director of the human rights office at the U.N. Assistance Mission for Iraq. "But now, no. Here, you have a primitive, chaotic situation where anybody can do anything they want to anyone.''
Al-Jaafari's office gave no reason for calling off Thursday's meeting with major political parties.
"The cancellation of this meeting is a regrettable thing because such meetings are essential under the current situation,'' said Mahmoud Othman, a leading figure in Parliament's Kurdish bloc.
Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
Iraq government talks in disarray
Iraqi Prime Minister Ibrahim Jaafari has cancelled a meeting with senior political leaders, apparently to protest against a campaign to oust him.
Kurdish and Sunni Arab leaders are unhappy with Mr Jaafari, and have said they will not join a national unity government with him at its head.
This is the latest crisis to hit attempts to form a new government.
Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
Turkey says US troops must stay in Iraq
Turkey, which hosted Iraqi Prime Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari on Tuesday, has been alarmed by the escalating violence between Iraqi Sunnis and Shi'ites and fears all-out civil war could plunge the wider region into turmoil.
Ankara fears continued violence in Iraq could encourage Iraqi Kurds to build a separate state in the north of the country which might in turn stoke separatist feelings among Turkey's own Kurds, destabilizing eastern Turkey.
Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
Evictions May Foreshadow Iraq Civil War
The Sadrists claimed they knew of 300 Shiite families now in Baghdad looking for places to live after fleeing their old neighborhoods. Many had received a flier that read:
"To you traitors and the spies who live in this area we give you 48 hours to leave or to be killed." The notes were signed by a previously unknown group that called itself the Brigade for Cleansing the Land of the Two Rivers.
Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
Gangs 'kill freely' in Iraq chaos
Hundreds of bodies showing signs of torture or execution arrive at the Baghdad mortuary each month, a senior UN official has told the BBC.
"Anyone with a gun who is reasonably well organised can do whatever they want with impunity," he said.
Armed groups often threatened mortuary staff, aiming to stop autopsies and suppress evidence, Mr Pace said.
Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
[edit on 2-3-2006 by Regenmacher]
Aww crap ratings drop; respin it again Sam
Looks like the "civil war as a good thing" wasn't selling, so they
switched to "the civil war is a figment of the imagination."
Fox formula of madness:
1. Respin it to assuage Bushbot egos.
2. Deny, deny and deny some more.
3. Blame all media except for FOX media.
4. Blame all opposition, critics or entire world.
5. Blame the victims, dead people or God.
6. Repeat, if ad revenues or ratings drop.
* see blame game above
Death tolls get spun:
•Iraq's death toll: Pressure applied to hide true figures
•Morgue pressed to stay quiet
Iraqi PM Cancels Meeting With Top Leaders The former U.N. human rights chief for the country said abuses are as bad now as they were under Saddam Hussein. Extrajudicial killings and torture are soaring, and morgue workers are being threatened by both government-backed militiamen and insurgents not to properly investigate deaths, he said in an interview in Sydney, Australia.
"Under Saddam, if you agreed to forego your basic right to freedom of expression and thought, you were physically more or less OK,'' said John Pace, who last month left his post as director of the human rights office at the U.N. Assistance Mission for Iraq. "But now, no. Here, you have a primitive, chaotic situation where anybody can do anything they want to anyone.''
Al-Jaafari's office gave no reason for calling off Thursday's meeting with major political parties.
"The cancellation of this meeting is a regrettable thing because such meetings are essential under the current situation,'' said Mahmoud Othman, a leading figure in Parliament's Kurdish bloc.
Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
Iraq government talks in disarray
Iraqi Prime Minister Ibrahim Jaafari has cancelled a meeting with senior political leaders, apparently to protest against a campaign to oust him.
Kurdish and Sunni Arab leaders are unhappy with Mr Jaafari, and have said they will not join a national unity government with him at its head.
This is the latest crisis to hit attempts to form a new government.
Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
Turkey says US troops must stay in Iraq
Turkey, which hosted Iraqi Prime Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari on Tuesday, has been alarmed by the escalating violence between Iraqi Sunnis and Shi'ites and fears all-out civil war could plunge the wider region into turmoil.
Ankara fears continued violence in Iraq could encourage Iraqi Kurds to build a separate state in the north of the country which might in turn stoke separatist feelings among Turkey's own Kurds, destabilizing eastern Turkey.
Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
Evictions May Foreshadow Iraq Civil War
The Sadrists claimed they knew of 300 Shiite families now in Baghdad looking for places to live after fleeing their old neighborhoods. Many had received a flier that read:
"To you traitors and the spies who live in this area we give you 48 hours to leave or to be killed." The notes were signed by a previously unknown group that called itself the Brigade for Cleansing the Land of the Two Rivers.
Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
Gangs 'kill freely' in Iraq chaos
Hundreds of bodies showing signs of torture or execution arrive at the Baghdad mortuary each month, a senior UN official has told the BBC.
"Anyone with a gun who is reasonably well organised can do whatever they want with impunity," he said.
Armed groups often threatened mortuary staff, aiming to stop autopsies and suppress evidence, Mr Pace said.
Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
[edit on 2-3-2006 by Regenmacher]